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2014-06-22 1:08 AM
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Originally posted by Chillin
Originally posted by Patrick EObviously this race is not a sell-out but based on the new participant list posted yesterday, it's not even close at approximately 2,100. Kind of blows my mind that Florida and Arizona sell out in minutes and this one is still available. I guess flat, fast but featureless courses are preferable to beautiful courses like this one. Either that or people are afraid of a little climbing!Hope everyone's training is going well - race day is sneaking up on us!
What is the participant limit? Last year was a sell out and they had 2171 participants, so this years 2100 seems pretty close to sell out. No?

I think the 2171 was the number that showed up in race day.  Add about 15% (the DNS number) to that for the actual "sell out" number.  So 2500 is probably the cutoff.

 

That would made sense but actually the 2171 is All registered participants.

The breakdown is as follows:

DNS: 46

DNF: 140

Finishers: 1985

Total: 2171

 

Further breakdown:

Pro: 28 (0 of which DNS, 4 of which DNF)

Age Groupers: 2143 (46 of which DNS, 136 of which DNF)



2014-06-22 1:26 AM
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Originally posted by Chillin

Originally posted by GMAN 19030

Originally posted by Chillin
Originally posted by Patrick EObviously this race is not a sell-out but based on the new participant list posted yesterday, it's not even close at approximately 2,100. Kind of blows my mind that Florida and Arizona sell out in minutes and this one is still available. I guess flat, fast but featureless courses are preferable to beautiful courses like this one. Either that or people are afraid of a little climbing!Hope everyone's training is going well - race day is sneaking up on us!
What is the participant limit? Last year was a sell out and they had 2171 participants, so this years 2100 seems pretty close to sell out. No?

I think the 2171 was the number that showed up in race day.  Add about 15% (the DNS number) to that for the actual "sell out" number.  So 2500 is probably the cutoff.

 

That would made sense but actually the 2171 is All registered participants.

The breakdown is as follows:

DNS: 46

DNF: 140

Finishers: 1985

Total: 2171

 

Further breakdown:

Pro: 28 (0 of which DNS, 4 of which DNF)

Age Groupers: 2143 (46 of which DNS, 136 of which DNF)

And just in case anyone else is curious like I was, previous years registered participants were:

2009 (Penticton): 2828

2010 (Penticton): 3028

2011 (Penticton): 3226

2012 (Penticton): 2978

2013 (Whistler): 2171

2014 (Whistler): 2031 (As of 6/17/2014)

So if there is a lot of last minute registrants we could still exceed last years turn out, but we are definitely not going to hit the numbers from previous years in Penticton.  I find that surprising because I would assume Whistler would be more popular that penticton, but I guess not.

 

2014-06-22 8:37 AM
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The DNS number was actually closer to 500.

http://www.runtri.com/2013/06/ironman-canada-2013-analysis.html

So last year's number was almost 2600.



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2014-06-22 12:27 PM
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Originally posted by GMAN 19030

The DNS number was actually closer to 500.

http://www.runtri.com/2013/06/ironman-canada-2013-analysis.html

So last year's number was almost 2600.

That's very strange. I wonder why the huge discrepancy between that blog and the Official Ironman site? 

http://www.ironman.com/triathlon/events/americas/ironman/canada/results.aspx?p=109&ps=20#axzz35FVbRAR6

Without any source or corroboration I would be inclined to trust the official site though.

 

A probable explanation for the difference is that the Ironman site only lists participants that checked in at the venue on friday, so the 46 DNS's are people that dropped out between friday and sunday.

2014-06-22 7:33 PM
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The DNS rate for every IM hovers between 15-20%. I did Whistler last year and I'm pretty confident the athlete guide and race week literature/meetings said 2500-2600 participants. There were more than 46 DNS in my AG alone.
2014-06-22 7:46 PM
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Originally posted by GMAN 19030 The DNS rate for every IM hovers between 15-20%. I did Whistler last year and I'm pretty confident the athlete guide and race week literature/meetings said 2500-2600 participants. There were more than 46 DNS in my AG alone.

 

Wow that's crazy, 15% seems rediculously high. I know injuries and just life sometimes get in the way but wow 500+ people per Ironman race?!

 

Well based on that then yes this years ~2000 is pretty low. 



2014-06-23 6:58 AM
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Take the Syracuse 70.3 yesterday.  Nearly 2400 were registered and there were only 1775 finishers.  Probably less than 100 DNF's so the DNS number was about 500 and 70.3 races tend to be more localized and regional with less of a DNS rate than IM races.

2014-06-23 10:56 PM
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Originally posted by GMAN 19030

Take the Syracuse 70.3 yesterday.  Nearly 2400 were registered and there were only 1775 finishers.  Probably less than 100 DNF's so the DNS number was about 500 and 70.3 races tend to be more localized and regional with less of a DNS rate than IM races.

Not trying to give you a hard time or dispute what you are saying, just trying to understand the discrepancy...

 

The difference is that for the Syracuse race the official ironman site matches what you are saying (more or less).  From ironman.com:

Participants: 2316

Finishers: 1832

DNS: 456

DNF: 49

DQ: 14

 

So why does the official ironman site match the numbers you are quoting for Ironman Syracuse but not for Ironman Canada?

2014-06-24 7:40 AM
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The passage of time.  You'll notice that older results (results from previous seasons) lack a lot of detail in the results.  Notice there are no splits for any of the times and things like that.  The results right after the race were much more detailed and that's when RunTri did their analysis and got their numbers.  At some point IM does a scrub of the numbers.

Look at Syracuse's results for last year.  It just says 1578 for 2013 and if you scroll through the data there are barely any DNS'ers.  The few DNS'ers in there were probably race day DNS'ers that picked up their packet but didn't race for some reason.  It doesn't include the 300-400 other people that were DNS and never showed up at all.  I was at Syracuse last year and the announced field was close to 2000 but only 1578 people picked up their chip and show up in the results.

Same with IMC 2013.  2171 picked up their chip.  The other 400-500 were complete no shows and while listed in the athlete guide and race day tracker, no longer show up anywhere.

Make sense?

2014-06-24 10:52 PM
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Originally posted by GMAN 19030

The passage of time.  You'll notice that older results (results from previous seasons) lack a lot of detail in the results.  Notice there are no splits for any of the times and things like that.  The results right after the race were much more detailed and that's when RunTri did their analysis and got their numbers.  At some point IM does a scrub of the numbers.

Look at Syracuse's results for last year.  It just says 1578 for 2013 and if you scroll through the data there are barely any DNS'ers.  The few DNS'ers in there were probably race day DNS'ers that picked up their packet but didn't race for some reason.  It doesn't include the 300-400 other people that were DNS and never showed up at all.  I was at Syracuse last year and the announced field was close to 2000 but only 1578 people picked up their chip and show up in the results.

Same with IMC 2013.  2171 picked up their chip.  The other 400-500 were complete no shows and while listed in the athlete guide and race day tracker, no longer show up anywhere.

Make sense?

Makes sense, but I don't think it's accurate.  You said that past seasons results lack splits and other details, but from everything I see that is not the case.  I see the same details in the current results as the previous results.  So that means that according to your theory Ironman removes most of the DNS's after a certain period of time, but that is the only thing they remove?  Unless I'm missing something that, of course, makes no sense.

My theory, backed up by everything I see online, is that up to the end of last year they only listed the participants that checked in, as of the beginning of this year they began listing all participants (and everything else remained the same).

2014-06-25 7:37 AM
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Originally posted by Chillin

 So that means that according to your theory Ironman removes most of the DNS's after a certain period of time, but that is the only thing they remove?  Unless I'm missing something that, of course, makes no sense.

My theory, backed up by everything I see online, is that up to the end of last year they only listed the participants that checked in, as of the beginning of this year they began listing all participants (and everything else remained the same).

Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying.  Last year's results basically only show the 'Official Results" (for at least my two examples of IMC and Syr70.3) so all DNS's (non-check ins) were removed sometime post race.  My athlete guide for IMC 2013 has 2600-something names in it.  I just looked.

You may be right in how they're doing it this year.



2014-06-28 1:45 PM
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Originally posted by Chillin

what I want to know is when is the Athletes Guide coming out?  The site says 4-6 weeks, we are at 5.5 weeks so hopefully soon... 

It's finally up: http://www.ironman.com/~/media/970f8ff78af54c97811d0ac49e338048/2014%20im%20canada%20athlete%20guide.pdf

 

2014-07-01 1:09 PM
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Anyone else surprised the swim is a mass start? I thought all North American races were going to the rolling start they introduced at CdA last year?

Hard to believe it will be race day 3 weeks from Sunday!
2014-07-04 11:37 PM
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Patrick, I have only seen and been in mass starts but I have only been to a few fulls and half dozen halfs.  

Another question: When do we know our bib numbers?  I recall from years past that we knew that by now, no?  

2014-07-05 10:50 AM
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The start line in the water is very very wide. Its a deep water start over 100 metres from shore so a th start would not work. There is a crossover point when the front of the field finishes lap 2 and the weak swimmers are finishing lap 1. The faster swimmers had to cut through the slower ones to get to the finish segment. Waves would make that a major issue.
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The start line in the water is very very wide. Its a deep water start over 100 metres from shore so a th start would not work. There is a crossover point when the front of the field finishes lap 2 and the weak swimmers are finishing lap 1. The faster swimmers had to cut through the slower ones to get to the finish segment. Waves would make that a major issue.


Thanks - appreciate the explanation.


2014-07-12 7:03 PM
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When do we know our bib numbers?  I recall from years past that we knew that by now, no?  

Your bib number is 1699 (and your younger brothers is 1421)    

 

2 weeks tomorrow! 

 

2014-07-15 9:16 AM
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Thanks!  

If anyone is interested in partnering up for a couple of short lake swims Wed - Sat next week, please let me know.  I'm solo this trip.

Cheers!

 

 

2014-07-16 7:22 AM
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Never been up to Whister for an IM. Is it ok to swim at any time in Alta Lake Thursday or Friday of next week, or are there only limited times during which practice swimming is allowed? Thanks
2014-07-16 7:56 AM
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The lake is open to the public so you can swim whenever the park is open.

2014-07-16 8:35 AM
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Any ideas on current water temp? Did a search and couldn't come up with anything.


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I read last week that the water temp is mid-60's. Unfortunately, can't remember the source.
2014-07-18 1:20 PM
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Originally posted by mrtahitiI read last week that the water temp is mid-60's. Unfortunately, can't remember the source.
Maybe it was on the Ironman Canada Facebook page. They said: "Your official water temp is 19C/66F".
2014-07-21 3:46 PM
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"There is a crossover point when the front of the field finishes lap 2 and the weak swimmers are finishing lap 1. The faster swimmers had to cut through the slower ones to get to the finish segment. Waves would make that a major issue."

When swimmers finish the first lap, do they come out of the water and re-enter, or do you just keep going on lap 2? My understanding is that some IMs that have two laps require swimmers to exit, cross a timing mat, and then re-enter. Wasn't sure how this one works. Appreciate any comments. Thanks
2014-07-21 3:52 PM
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Originally posted by mrtahiti "There is a crossover point when the front of the field finishes lap 2 and the weak swimmers are finishing lap 1. The faster swimmers had to cut through the slower ones to get to the finish segment. Waves would make that a major issue." When swimmers finish the first lap, do they come out of the water and re-enter, or do you just keep going on lap 2? My understanding is that some IMs that have two laps require swimmers to exit, cross a timing mat, and then re-enter. Wasn't sure how this one works. Appreciate any comments. Thanks

Apparently like last year it's vague.  Map shows (and showed) us getting out last year.   At the meeting they confirmed we didn't.  Go to the meeting to find out for sure

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