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2014-07-04 2:55 PM
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Hey there, I did not race it last year, but have used it for training camps leading into IM Canada as well as my wife for IM Moo for the last 3 years. 

all be it they took out Marteston Camp, the "watered down" section into the ski resort is still pretty hefty, and will not be a gimme by any means.  You will still get a good burn coming up from the airport to make a right hand turn into the resort for about 1.5 miles, and then the climbs into the parking lot area will still be a good burn.  Of course, after a screaming descent, you will still get 2 more miles of 4-10% grade to the top of Brockway. 

Much like last year, I think the key will be to not blow up too hard in the neighborhood coming out of Truckee, as well as going to hard into the resort.  With not being able to ride in Marteston, I think a lot of people underestimated how tough that would be.  I think this year, people may still underestimate the resort section. 

Even living here in Colorado at 6000 feet, the altitude takes a lot out of the muscles without realizing it.  Any chance you get to train high, take it.  We typically head up above 8000-10000 to get altitude training.  Unlike races in the past, at 6000, I will be dead even with where I live, but will not have the advantage of racing down at a lower altitude for this one. 

I'll be back in Tahoe the week of the 13th after 70.3 Vineman for training camp as well as again the week of August 17th for training camp.  I will put up more beta after I ride/train some sections in 2 weeks.  Will try to have some updated video and TCX data for the Computrainer. 

Happy training.

 

Originally posted by tlancer23
Originally posted by Baowolf Yups it is on an asphalt bike path for the most part. Remember to buy swim socks early if you want your feet to not be numb for 70miles into the bike (they will be sold out at the race venue) and have head laps that clip onto your hat as the stretchy band headlamp around your head will give you a headache, Lastly remember that you can not leave anything in your special needs bike or run bag. Anything in there you need to take or they will throw it out for fear or bears raiding the area.
Hey Steve, I am considering signing up for IMLT... it looks like the bike course has been watered down from last year. From 8,000ft to 6,700ft climbing? It appears that they took one of the steep hills out. Could you please speak to how this would improve the bike portion? How would you compare this new course to this year's CdA? Thanks!



2014-07-04 7:05 PM
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Thankfully, I live two hours from Truckee; I'll be heading up there next weekend to scout everything out and dip my toes in it. Hopefully, I'll be able to make it out there every other weekend. I was originally registered for LT but the bike course ended up scaring the hell out of me, so I transferred to CdA. But since the bike is now a little more reasonable, I think I'm back in. I consistently train 112mi with 6,200ft gains (GPS) in the Yosemite foothills under 7:40. I'll have to check out the training camp out there! Do you have a link for it?
2014-07-06 3:43 AM
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I came across this gpx file of the new bike course from the IMTL facebook page:

http://www.mapmyride.com/routes/view/464188212
2014-07-06 5:35 PM
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I'll be using my roadbike. Not exactly a climber but better on the steep grades than my tri bike.

Any opinions on chainring sets? I think I have to downgrade from my 53-38.
2014-07-07 11:10 PM
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Originally posted by FranzZemen

I'll be using my roadbike. Not exactly a climber but better on the steep grades than my tri bike.

Any opinions on chainring sets? I think I have to downgrade from my 53-38.



I just bought an Ultegra 6800 group set for the roadie, mostly for this course... 50-34t/ 11-32t. I think the second shot at Brockway would hurt me with the 11-28 that I had.
2014-07-11 12:45 PM
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Originally posted by tlancer23 I came across this gpx file of the new bike course from the IMTL facebook page: http://www.mapmyride.com/routes/view/464188212

Yeah and as you can see, the gps there shows more elevation than what they're advertising, even on the new course.

It was the same thing in 2013... I think they were saying 6000 feet of elevation but most people were recording 8000 on their garmins.  I wouldn't count on the revised course feeling much easier.



2014-07-17 1:13 AM
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Rode on the course today.

The section in Northstar is not too bad.  It is not easy, but is "easier" than Martis Camp.

I rode it on 53/39 with 12-27.  Will likley use 11-28 for race day

Just like last year, I think the big thing is to not underestimate this section, and to not go too hard while in there.

From the yellow sign just past the airfield to the turn on Northstar Drive is 1.2 miles at 4% grade.

The first turn onto Northstar to the roundabout averages at 6% with a max of 8%. 

The turn onto Big Springs is also at about 8%.   The climb itself to the right hand turn onto Currant is not too long, but the 6-8% grind will take the energy out of the legs if you do not spin it out.  The left onto Currant is actually the back entrance to the parking lot.  Again, about 8% to the top, and then a screaming descent through the rest of the lot with a few turns back to the village.  The ride in the village is kinda funny, and we will have our own Paris Roubaix on some cobbles.  We come out and then scream downhill again back to the roundabout.  The rt hand turn onto Ridgeline Drive has a real short climb to the Uturn at Highlands, and then a screaming descent back out to the highway to begin the climb up Brockway.

The Brockway climb measure at 3 miles from the turn.  I used the rock piles on the rt side to gauge where I am from the summit.  There are 6.  Of course the last 2 have some short sections of 10%.  Another good bench mark from where you are is the passing lane.  When you see the sign for the start of the passing lane, you have about .6 to the summit.

 

2014-07-17 12:05 PM
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Originally posted by odanelli

Rode on the course today.

The section in Northstar is not too bad.  It is not easy, but is "easier" than Martis Camp.

I rode it on 53/39 with 12-27.  Will likley use 11-28 for race day

Just like last year, I think the big thing is to not underestimate this section, and to not go too hard while in there.

From the yellow sign just past the airfield to the turn on Northstar Drive is 1.2 miles at 4% grade.

The first turn onto Northstar to the roundabout averages at 6% with a max of 8%. 

The turn onto Big Springs is also at about 8%.   The climb itself to the right hand turn onto Currant is not too long, but the 6-8% grind will take the energy out of the legs if you do not spin it out.  The left onto Currant is actually the back entrance to the parking lot.  Again, about 8% to the top, and then a screaming descent through the rest of the lot with a few turns back to the village.  The ride in the village is kinda funny, and we will have our own Paris Roubaix on some cobbles.  We come out and then scream downhill again back to the roundabout.  The rt hand turn onto Ridgeline Drive has a real short climb to the Uturn at Highlands, and then a screaming descent back out to the highway to begin the climb up Brockway.

The Brockway climb measure at 3 miles from the turn.  I used the rock piles on the rt side to gauge where I am from the summit.  There are 6.  Of course the last 2 have some short sections of 10%.  Another good bench mark from where you are is the passing lane.  When you see the sign for the start of the passing lane, you have about .6 to the summit.

 



Thanks for details, sounds like fun !
2014-07-17 4:33 PM
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I think over 112 there are like 20 climbs that will put you into the granny gear for anywhere from .5 to 4.5 miles. So having only 19 of such climbs will be better.... but I am sure it will be an arse kicking none the less on the bike. I will check out the new route when I get a chance, but the linc above looks to be mostly the same. It is the back to back hills in the resort area that kick your but and then dump you out onto the 4.5 mile climb that does it. The rest of the course is nice, but that 15 ish mile section each lap will smoke us sucky bikers. One thing to keep in mind is that the elevation does effect you. Even though I train at 4500 feet, I had to focus on keeping my heart rate and respiration rate down all day.

I did CDA just over 2 weeks ago and this is my first year doing 2 IMs, so not sure what shape I will be in by race day. My long bike ride last week was 40 miles and I can now jog around 5 miles continuous without walking... yay. I got to do CDA with a back spasm on muscle relaxants and strong winds 1-2 foot waves on the lake at 5 am. I really liked the swim socks, feet were nice and warm for the bike, do wear them at Tahoe, water will be 55F ish give or take a few F.

The run course is not bad. This race is all about surviving the bike. (Well and seeing the swim bouys through the fog). There is no way that course even with correction is less than 7000 feet of elevation gain. Just the outside loop without the resort must be 4000-5000 ish.

I used 34/54 and 12/34 for Tahoe. I saw others struggle a lot with your standard config in a non compact (agers not the big guys). I think those are the cog numbers.

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2014-07-17 10:21 PM
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Yeah I did the race on a standard - 53/39 and 12/27. First lap was ok but could tell I was grinding too much. 2nd lap and the "run" sucked. I'd shell out for a compact crankset in a heartbeat if I did it again. And I'm pretty light and normally a good climber.
2014-07-28 7:15 PM
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Ugg taking longer to recover from CDA than I thought it would and am visiting family 5000 feet higher than where I was 2 days ago. Workout kicked my butt today.


2014-08-02 11:10 PM
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I just took two laps on the bike today under 6hrs and the splits were pretty even. My first visit last month was epic fail, I took the hills aggressively with 11-28t and ended up walking .5mi up Brockway. I'm very happy with today's result... I upgraded to Compact 11-32t and lowered my cadence on the hills. Looks like I will start working on grinding out of the saddle; it was strong on the first lap and fell apart on the second.
2014-08-06 2:41 PM
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Nice improvement. How far up were you able to get in the locked community area of the ride? I found that the hardest part aside from "the big hill."
2014-08-06 8:41 PM
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Nevermind I hadn't looked closely enough at the new course. I will have to check out the new part. It looks like we have 1 hilll removed that was a significant climb on each loop.
2014-08-06 11:14 PM
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I'll be back out there the week of the 17th for a week long training camp and capping it off with the Olympic Tahoe Tri on the 24th before heading back to Denver.

TLancer's find on maymyride was dead on with exception of the Y Bypass in Tahoe City.  This little bypass adds a really short 11% grade to get above the baseball field, and then a pretty good downhill back to 89.

I recently got a new GOPRO just after Vineman.  I plan on taping the new section and posting on youtube when I get back.

Hope everyone's training is going well.  Keeping my fingers crossed that Boulder can keep their recent title of "hardest tri"(27% DNF-HOT!) and we can get that great weather that was there the Wednesday before the race last year.

 

 

 



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2014-08-07 8:34 AM
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For those who have done the bike ride. I know the up hills are going to be tough, but how are the down hills. Is this a technical down hill course. I have done CDA and Canada, any advice on the comparison would be great. Thanks and happy training.


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Originally posted by edawno For those who have done the bike ride. I know the up hills are going to be tough, but how are the down hills. Is this a technical down hill course. I have done CDA and Canada, any advice on the comparison would be great. Thanks and happy training.

 I did the original Canda in 2012.  From what I remember, the descents in Tahoe are similair, straight, not a lot of turns.  Nothing sketchy like the old CDA course

Nothing really technical on any of the downhills.  A large portion of the ride from Dollar Bill Hill, to Squaw, and then to Truckee is mostly a descent with the exception of a few small rollers.  Straight, no turns. 

There is a fast left hand turn coming out of the neighborhood in Truckee, but nothing technical.  The descent down 267 after the roundabout is also straight.  Tends to get a bit windy on the bridge, but other than that, dead straight into a good climb before the airport.

I felt like  the downhill section of the  parking lot section on Currant coming down to the village has a few tight switchbacks, but given the amount of volume that it may have, I doubt there will be a way to open it up through there.

The descent down Brockway is a 3 mile straight screamer at 4-7%  Riding by myself, hit 51mph.  There are a few gradual bends in the road as you reach King's Beach again, but nothing sharp.  The reality on race day is, that it will be unlikely you will totally open it up on Brockway as there will be lots of brake grabbing across the roadway from people that are a bit leery of going super fast.  Even if you were comfortable of doing 40+, you may not be able to just from congestion, unless you are way in the front or way in the back.



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2014-08-07 12:45 PM
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All, good information! thank you!. I am trying to make it out there one of these days soon, how is traffic on the weekends for a training ride?

Now i just have to fix my Foot (plantar fasciitis)

thanks
2014-08-08 12:33 AM
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Agree, old course had only a couple tight corners in the gated community area. Not sure about the new section. I am not comfortable above say 45 mph going down towards the lake with the potential of a strong gust coming up the hill from your right.
2014-08-08 8:29 AM
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Great thanks for the info. Sounds like it will be a good ride. Happy training!!
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