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2014-07-04 2:55 PM
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Hey there, I did not race it last year, but have used it for training camps leading into IM Canada as well as my wife for IM Moo for the last 3 years. 

all be it they took out Marteston Camp, the "watered down" section into the ski resort is still pretty hefty, and will not be a gimme by any means.  You will still get a good burn coming up from the airport to make a right hand turn into the resort for about 1.5 miles, and then the climbs into the parking lot area will still be a good burn.  Of course, after a screaming descent, you will still get 2 more miles of 4-10% grade to the top of Brockway. 

Much like last year, I think the key will be to not blow up too hard in the neighborhood coming out of Truckee, as well as going to hard into the resort.  With not being able to ride in Marteston, I think a lot of people underestimated how tough that would be.  I think this year, people may still underestimate the resort section. 

Even living here in Colorado at 6000 feet, the altitude takes a lot out of the muscles without realizing it.  Any chance you get to train high, take it.  We typically head up above 8000-10000 to get altitude training.  Unlike races in the past, at 6000, I will be dead even with where I live, but will not have the advantage of racing down at a lower altitude for this one. 

I'll be back in Tahoe the week of the 13th after 70.3 Vineman for training camp as well as again the week of August 17th for training camp.  I will put up more beta after I ride/train some sections in 2 weeks.  Will try to have some updated video and TCX data for the Computrainer. 

Happy training.

 

Originally posted by tlancer23
Originally posted by Baowolf Yups it is on an asphalt bike path for the most part. Remember to buy swim socks early if you want your feet to not be numb for 70miles into the bike (they will be sold out at the race venue) and have head laps that clip onto your hat as the stretchy band headlamp around your head will give you a headache, Lastly remember that you can not leave anything in your special needs bike or run bag. Anything in there you need to take or they will throw it out for fear or bears raiding the area.
Hey Steve, I am considering signing up for IMLT... it looks like the bike course has been watered down from last year. From 8,000ft to 6,700ft climbing? It appears that they took one of the steep hills out. Could you please speak to how this would improve the bike portion? How would you compare this new course to this year's CdA? Thanks!



2014-07-04 7:05 PM
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Thankfully, I live two hours from Truckee; I'll be heading up there next weekend to scout everything out and dip my toes in it. Hopefully, I'll be able to make it out there every other weekend. I was originally registered for LT but the bike course ended up scaring the hell out of me, so I transferred to CdA. But since the bike is now a little more reasonable, I think I'm back in. I consistently train 112mi with 6,200ft gains (GPS) in the Yosemite foothills under 7:40. I'll have to check out the training camp out there! Do you have a link for it?
2014-07-06 3:43 AM
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I came across this gpx file of the new bike course from the IMTL facebook page:

http://www.mapmyride.com/routes/view/464188212
2014-07-06 5:35 PM
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I'll be using my roadbike. Not exactly a climber but better on the steep grades than my tri bike.

Any opinions on chainring sets? I think I have to downgrade from my 53-38.
2014-07-07 11:10 PM
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Originally posted by FranzZemen

I'll be using my roadbike. Not exactly a climber but better on the steep grades than my tri bike.

Any opinions on chainring sets? I think I have to downgrade from my 53-38.



I just bought an Ultegra 6800 group set for the roadie, mostly for this course... 50-34t/ 11-32t. I think the second shot at Brockway would hurt me with the 11-28 that I had.
2014-07-11 12:45 PM
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Originally posted by tlancer23 I came across this gpx file of the new bike course from the IMTL facebook page: http://www.mapmyride.com/routes/view/464188212

Yeah and as you can see, the gps there shows more elevation than what they're advertising, even on the new course.

It was the same thing in 2013... I think they were saying 6000 feet of elevation but most people were recording 8000 on their garmins.  I wouldn't count on the revised course feeling much easier.



2014-07-17 1:13 AM
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Rode on the course today.

The section in Northstar is not too bad.  It is not easy, but is "easier" than Martis Camp.

I rode it on 53/39 with 12-27.  Will likley use 11-28 for race day

Just like last year, I think the big thing is to not underestimate this section, and to not go too hard while in there.

From the yellow sign just past the airfield to the turn on Northstar Drive is 1.2 miles at 4% grade.

The first turn onto Northstar to the roundabout averages at 6% with a max of 8%. 

The turn onto Big Springs is also at about 8%.   The climb itself to the right hand turn onto Currant is not too long, but the 6-8% grind will take the energy out of the legs if you do not spin it out.  The left onto Currant is actually the back entrance to the parking lot.  Again, about 8% to the top, and then a screaming descent through the rest of the lot with a few turns back to the village.  The ride in the village is kinda funny, and we will have our own Paris Roubaix on some cobbles.  We come out and then scream downhill again back to the roundabout.  The rt hand turn onto Ridgeline Drive has a real short climb to the Uturn at Highlands, and then a screaming descent back out to the highway to begin the climb up Brockway.

The Brockway climb measure at 3 miles from the turn.  I used the rock piles on the rt side to gauge where I am from the summit.  There are 6.  Of course the last 2 have some short sections of 10%.  Another good bench mark from where you are is the passing lane.  When you see the sign for the start of the passing lane, you have about .6 to the summit.

 

2014-07-17 12:05 PM
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Originally posted by odanelli

Rode on the course today.

The section in Northstar is not too bad.  It is not easy, but is "easier" than Martis Camp.

I rode it on 53/39 with 12-27.  Will likley use 11-28 for race day

Just like last year, I think the big thing is to not underestimate this section, and to not go too hard while in there.

From the yellow sign just past the airfield to the turn on Northstar Drive is 1.2 miles at 4% grade.

The first turn onto Northstar to the roundabout averages at 6% with a max of 8%. 

The turn onto Big Springs is also at about 8%.   The climb itself to the right hand turn onto Currant is not too long, but the 6-8% grind will take the energy out of the legs if you do not spin it out.  The left onto Currant is actually the back entrance to the parking lot.  Again, about 8% to the top, and then a screaming descent through the rest of the lot with a few turns back to the village.  The ride in the village is kinda funny, and we will have our own Paris Roubaix on some cobbles.  We come out and then scream downhill again back to the roundabout.  The rt hand turn onto Ridgeline Drive has a real short climb to the Uturn at Highlands, and then a screaming descent back out to the highway to begin the climb up Brockway.

The Brockway climb measure at 3 miles from the turn.  I used the rock piles on the rt side to gauge where I am from the summit.  There are 6.  Of course the last 2 have some short sections of 10%.  Another good bench mark from where you are is the passing lane.  When you see the sign for the start of the passing lane, you have about .6 to the summit.

 



Thanks for details, sounds like fun !
2014-07-17 4:33 PM
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I think over 112 there are like 20 climbs that will put you into the granny gear for anywhere from .5 to 4.5 miles. So having only 19 of such climbs will be better.... but I am sure it will be an arse kicking none the less on the bike. I will check out the new route when I get a chance, but the linc above looks to be mostly the same. It is the back to back hills in the resort area that kick your but and then dump you out onto the 4.5 mile climb that does it. The rest of the course is nice, but that 15 ish mile section each lap will smoke us sucky bikers. One thing to keep in mind is that the elevation does effect you. Even though I train at 4500 feet, I had to focus on keeping my heart rate and respiration rate down all day.

I did CDA just over 2 weeks ago and this is my first year doing 2 IMs, so not sure what shape I will be in by race day. My long bike ride last week was 40 miles and I can now jog around 5 miles continuous without walking... yay. I got to do CDA with a back spasm on muscle relaxants and strong winds 1-2 foot waves on the lake at 5 am. I really liked the swim socks, feet were nice and warm for the bike, do wear them at Tahoe, water will be 55F ish give or take a few F.

The run course is not bad. This race is all about surviving the bike. (Well and seeing the swim bouys through the fog). There is no way that course even with correction is less than 7000 feet of elevation gain. Just the outside loop without the resort must be 4000-5000 ish.

I used 34/54 and 12/34 for Tahoe. I saw others struggle a lot with your standard config in a non compact (agers not the big guys). I think those are the cog numbers.

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2014-07-17 10:21 PM
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Yeah I did the race on a standard - 53/39 and 12/27. First lap was ok but could tell I was grinding too much. 2nd lap and the "run" sucked. I'd shell out for a compact crankset in a heartbeat if I did it again. And I'm pretty light and normally a good climber.
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