Strenght Training vs Endurance Training
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2008-06-23 3:28 PM |
Expert 735 Chatham, Ontario | Subject: Strenght Training vs Endurance Training Just wondering what people do (off or on season). I am undecided if I should: 1 - Do Strenght Traning only 2- Do Endurance Traning only 3- Rotate between the 2 after 2 months. Help! |
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2008-06-23 4:58 PM in reply to: #1484230 |
Expert 1318 | Subject: RE: Strenght Training vs Endurance Training I would add: 4 - Do both at the same time with a focus on endurance training. If that's not an option... I'd probably stick to endurance. YMMV -Blake |
2008-06-23 11:43 PM in reply to: #1484230 |
Elite 4235 Spring, TX | Subject: RE: Strenght Training vs Endurance Training It's entirely dependant on what your goals are. If you're just looking for overall fitness, then by all means do both at the same time. However, if your primary goal is to do well in triathlon, I beleive you should focus almost entirely on endurance training with strength training in the off season. |
2008-06-24 9:57 AM in reply to: #1484230 |
Extreme Veteran 339 Tucson, AZ | Subject: RE: Strenght Training vs Endurance Training A thought could be to use strength training as the basis for your endurance training...check it out at http://www.crossfitendurance.com I'm excited about the concept and am willing to give it a go for my next race. Time has been my limiter in training for anything longer than an oly, so I'm going to give it a go. |
2008-06-26 8:51 AM in reply to: #1484230 |
Extreme Veteran 930 Fort Worth, TX | Subject: RE: Strenght Training vs Endurance Training IMO - strength training is a part of a proper endurance training plan. Without it you start to see those dreaded "junk miles" or miles done with little payoff in the improvement area. With proper strength training you'll see improvements in your endurance times and also in less injuries. Strength training does not mean trying to bulk up to look like a power-lifter. Use it to build core muscles and legs/shoulders in general and you'll see some good results on your swim/bike/run. Be aware of building strength without adding mass - lower weight/higher reps. |
2008-06-26 10:18 AM in reply to: #1486081 |
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2008-06-27 10:12 AM in reply to: #1484230 |
Expert 974 Encinitas | Subject: RE: Strenght Training vs Endurance Training Most people's Tri performance will bennefit from doing some strength training, especially CrossFit style workouts that also enhance your anaerobic and aerobic ability. Short intense weight training workouts will also greatly enhance your ability to drop fat which will obviously help your times out. If you are en elite level triathlete then the weight training becomes less important, especially as your race distances get longer, you likely need to focus more on just swim, bike, run. Weight training will absolutely make you a better, fitter, and healthier person in general though so I highly recomend it. |
2008-06-27 10:39 AM in reply to: #1494256 |
Not a Coach 11473 Media, PA | Subject: RE: Strenght Training vs Endurance Training Grandy - 2008-06-27 11:12 AM Most people's Tri performance will bennefit from doing some strength training, especially CrossFit style workouts that also enhance your anaerobic and aerobic ability. Short intense weight training workouts will also greatly enhance your ability to drop fat which will obviously help your times out. If you are en elite level triathlete then the weight training becomes less important, especially as your race distances get longer, you likely need to focus more on just swim, bike, run. ARGH! I know this forum was set up to avoid the debates about the need for weight lifting and tri, but please don't post something like this that has no basis in known facts. Weight training will absolutely make you a better, fitter, and healthier person in general though so I highly recomend it. If it makes you feel that way, then by all means, do it. |
2008-06-27 11:17 AM in reply to: #1484230 |
Expert 1060 Weymouth, MA | Subject: RE: Strenght Training vs Endurance Training Hey JohnnyKay I didn't really like your last post. What are YOUR rock hard scientific facts that say strength training is worthless? |
2008-06-27 11:33 AM in reply to: #1494445 |
Not a Coach 11473 Media, PA | Subject: RE: Strenght Training vs Endurance Training rcberto - 2008-06-27 12:17 PM Hey JohnnyKay I didn't really like your last post. What are YOUR rock hard scientific facts that say strength training is worthless? Sorry, never said it's 'worthless'. However, there is little evidence that it does much for improving your swimming or biking (some evidence for running improvements with things like plyometrics which appear to improve running economy). The 'dropping fat' is also a red herring. You can drop fat just fine with endurance training. Add some intervals if you want to "raise your metabolism" post-workout. And elites, contrary to the post I responded to, may in fact be the very people who might consider strength training to improve their triathlon performance. IF there are some marginal, as yet unknown, benefits that are additive to just swimming, biking & running, these are the athletes that might really benefit from that since they are already doing LOTS of the individual activities (known with 100% certainty to improve performance of said activities). None of this is to say YOU shouldn't lift weights (or do other strength training). Or that there are NO benefits to it. Just that there's little reason to believe that it makes you a faster triathlete. Feel free to do a search in the regular tri forum on the subject and read more than you ever wanted to about the debate. |
2008-06-27 1:17 PM in reply to: #1494332 |
Expert 974 Encinitas | Subject: RE: Strenght Training vs Endurance Training JohnnyKay - 2008-06-27 8:39 AM Grandy - 2008-06-27 11:12 AM Most people's Tri performance will bennefit from doing some strength training, especially CrossFit style workouts that also enhance your anaerobic and aerobic ability. Short intense weight training workouts will also greatly enhance your ability to drop fat which will obviously help your times out. If you are en elite level triathlete then the weight training becomes less important, especially as your race distances get longer, you likely need to focus more on just swim, bike, run. ARGH! I know this forum was set up to avoid the debates about the need for weight lifting and tri, but please don't post something like this that has no basis in known facts. Weight training will absolutely make you a better, fitter, and healthier person in general though so I highly recomend it. If it makes you feel that way, then by all means, do it. Actually just about everything I said is based on known fact. I'm at work and don't have time to go into the details of it all at the moment but I think your comments were a little hasty there. I'm just here to have fun and help some people out though, I'm not interested in starting a big argument. You are more than welcome to not agree with me. One minor typo I did find in my post was when I said "Weight training will absolutely make you a better, fitter, and healthier person in general" Better was supposed to be better athlete - wasn't trying to say will be a better person, not saying it won't either though |
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2008-06-27 1:35 PM in reply to: #1494826 |
Not a Coach 11473 Media, PA | Subject: RE: Strenght Training vs Endurance Training Grandy - 2008-06-27 2:17 PM Actually just about everything I said is based on known fact. Check your facts better (and, likely, the sources of those 'facts'). My post was not at all 'hasty' as I've looked at scientific info on both sides of this for some time. AT BEST, the 'evidence' for what you cite is inconclusive. I'm out of this now because this argument will be the same as we've had here in the past. I suggest you do a search if you are really interested. Cheers! |
2008-06-27 2:21 PM in reply to: #1484230 |
Expert 986 Michiana | Subject: RE: Strenght Training vs Endurance Training On-season (May-Sep), I rarely do strength work. Time is a big factor as I believe I'm better served with more S/B/R. The other factor is my northern latitude. When Spring finally arrives I ache to get outside for longer runs and time in the saddle. I do spend the Winter months working on strength (legs, lats, chest, abs, obliques, back). During this "off-season" I select sport-specific focus/improvement. November-December, I will really work on my swim. January-March, I focus on running (as much outside as possible for my mental health). I do think core work is a positive for triathletes. During the last half of one's run, having a strong core will help keep good form. I somewhat neglected this aspect and felt it during my May oly (sore lower back and overall loss of form). |
2008-06-27 2:23 PM in reply to: #1484230 |
Elite 2608 Denver, Colorado | Subject: RE: Strenght Training vs Endurance Training There is research out there suggesting that weight training plus aerobics plus diet is better for fat loss than aerobics only and diet. |
2008-06-27 2:45 PM in reply to: #1494976 |
Not a Coach 11473 Media, PA | Subject: RE: Strenght Training vs Endurance Training MikeTheBear - 2008-06-27 3:23 PM There is research out there suggesting that weight training plus aerobics plus diet is better for fat loss than aerobics only and diet. Burn more calories. Eat less. Lose fat. Weight training is not required for this. "Better" should to be defined by the goals of the individual--this may or may not involve weight training. Let's just let it go. Sorry for 'intruding' on your forum.
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2008-06-27 2:54 PM in reply to: #1484230 |
Pro 4827 McKinney, TX | Subject: RE: Strenght Training vs Endurance Training This last off-season was my first. I incorporated strength training into my workout along with a lot of swimming (a weakness). Some biking and running. When the "season" started, I cut the strength training down to just core workouts as my running/biking increased. I am time restricted. If there was more time in the day, I would continue to strength train along with the other tri specific training. |
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2008-06-27 4:47 PM in reply to: #1495063 |
Elite 2608 Denver, Colorado | Subject: RE: Strenght Training vs Endurance Training JohnnyKay - 2008-06-27 2:45 PM "Better" should to be defined by the goals of the individual--this may or may not involve weight training. Right now, my biggest limiting factor in endurance sports is excess fat. If I get rid of the fat, my performance will improve. If doing weight training circuits will speed the process, then that's what I'll do. |
2008-06-27 10:50 PM in reply to: #1484230 |
Champion 9430 No excuses! | Subject: RE: Strenght Training vs Endurance Training Dang, nobody told me to get on popcorn duty in the Strength forum |
2008-06-30 9:03 AM in reply to: #1484230 |
Runner | Subject: RE: Strenght Training vs Endurance Training Run hills. Strength AND sport-specific. Plus, no need for any equipment other than what you already have. |
2008-06-30 3:15 PM in reply to: #1494445 |
Coach 10487 Boston, MA | Subject: RE: Strenght Training vs Endurance Training rcberto - 2008-06-27 11:17 AM Hey JohnnyKay I didn't really like your last post. What are YOUR rock hard scientific facts that say strength training is worthless? Or do a search for yourself at pubmed or Google scholar and you will get as much info as you ever wished. You will easily find a ratio around 3:1 to 4:1 supporting what JK is stating. BTW strength training is important and something most triathletes can achieve while swimming biking and running in the form of swim/bike/run drills, swimming all 4 strokes, hill climbing, etc. Weight lifting on the other hand isn't although it can have its place in endurance training for specific athletes with certain limitations, like those with diagnosed muscle imbalances, recovering from injuries or unable to do any/more s/b/r. in the end it is up to the athlete to do what he/she enjoys the most but it is better to avoid providing misiformation in a beginner website and making statements claiming that this or that will improve performance when there is no evidence indicating so. |
2008-06-30 3:22 PM in reply to: #1495063 |
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