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2008-10-21 1:18 PM

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Subject: Stop weight lifting?

I started a strength training work outs so I can gain more muscle mass so I can burn more calories.  In the next 10 weeks I want to lose as much weight as I phyically can.  I am going to shoot for 20 lbs.  I need to lose weight quickly so not sure if I should dump the strenth training or not.  The strength might not help me so much in 10 weeks but I really do not know.  I know muscle burns more cals than fat but then again I do not want to be too strong.  I been avg about 30 mins of weights a day 4 days a week.  Maybe that is not even enough to matter.

 Does anyone know how many cals you burn in 30 minutes of weight lifting.



2008-10-21 1:30 PM
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2008-10-21 1:44 PM
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Subject: RE: Stop weight lifting?

I tend to do alot of heavy lifting or atleast heavy for me.  I do a mixture of free weights on the ball, pull ups, and machine weights.

I really do not want to lose 3% body fat and stay the same weight.  I think I done alot of that recently but frankly every lbs you weight you have to move requires energy and put more wear on the body.  I am worried though if I go all cardio I will burn my msucle and not my bodyfat which will work against me too.  I want to have a big furence but its not super important to me.

 I know diet will be the biggest factor and I now hungry all the time which in some ways is a good sign. 

 I read there is no point in low weight/ high rep and your better off jsut with cardio.

2008-10-21 2:02 PM
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2008-10-21 2:18 PM
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Subject: RE: Stop weight lifting?

Oh boy... this is where I get to reach to my book shelf to refresh my memory and have fun....

How many calories in wt lifting?

Depends on your wieght and how vigorous...
Vigorous = 6 mets
Light = 3 mets

Decide on your MET... then plug into

(MET x wt in kg) x (Min/60min) = # kcal expended

However, this is a rough estimate not knowing your RMR Met equivalent.

Did I answer that?

2008-10-21 2:21 PM
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Subject: RE: Stop weight lifting?
Don't stop, just change what you're doing. Try some of these:

http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_pe...

ETA: And don't worry about how many calories you burn during weightlifting. Your body will be burning lots of calories after to repair the muscle damage. This is the real advantage of lifting while trying to lose fat.


2008-10-21 2:32 PM
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Subject: RE: Stop weight lifting?

So the title of the thread asks "Stop Weightlifting?"

MHO....

NO!!!!!!

As noted in above posts... increased muscle mass will raise your RMR and you will burn more calories at rest... in the long run you will drop in weight AND BF... 

You may want to consider some other options that will increase caloric expenditure and continue with wieghts (and cardio together)...

1.)  Interval Training.... If you have access to a gym with TM and wts nearby.... hop on the TM for a few minutes and then do a set or two.... keep the wieght light but challenging and keep the HR up... increase that incline and speed EACH time you return to the TM....

2.)  Agility Training will target muscle groups you forgot you have and keep your heart rate up.

3.)  Super Setting & Compound Exercises... There's nothing wrong with lifting lighter wieghts at higher rep's.... Here's the example I give tweens wanting to wieght train... "If Bif lifts 40lbs eight times, and Waldo lifts 20 lbs 16 times... who has done more work... neither, they both lifted 320lbs... but Waldo did it with a lot less stress on his joints at any given time."

Hope this helps a little....

Oh, and don't forget to change up your routine every 6 wks or so, don't let your body get comfy with it, that's when you can get in a rutt and progress can slow.

 

2008-10-21 3:23 PM
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Subject: RE: Stop weight lifting?

First, Do not stop lifting.

I hate to even suggest this because I have firsthand seen this program severely abused. 

But the Velocity Diet (Chris Shugart, Testosterone Nation's website author) might be the ticket for you. Check it out, I've done it myself as have some of the people I train with. The results are truly amazing... but of course, do alot of your own research first. (there's a couple of hundred pages of forums about it on the t-nation website to answer any question you could think of, and alot you wouldn't think of.)

 

2008-10-21 5:24 PM
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I don't have much more to add than these folks from the science side. But I've worked with quite a few overweight Soldiers. They can drop a couple pounds and make weight, but they'll yo-yo. The successful ones pick up a solid weight training and cardio program along with a reasonable diet.
2008-10-21 9:15 PM
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Leegoocrap - 2008-10-21 3:23 PM

First, Do not stop lifting.

I hate to even suggest this because I have firsthand seen this program severely abused. 

But the Velocity Diet (Chris Shugart, Testosterone Nation's website author) might be the ticket for you. Check it out, I've done it myself as have some of the people I train with. The results are truly amazing... but of course, do alot of your own research first. (there's a couple of hundred pages of forums about it on the t-nation website to answer any question you could think of, and alot you wouldn't think of.)

 



Funny because I was thinking that the Velocity Diet would be a good option. Can't really do a lot of endurance training while on it, though. It's too severe.
2008-10-21 9:26 PM
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MikeTheBear - 2008-10-21 9:15 PM
Funny because I was thinking that the Velocity Diet would be a good option. Can't really do a lot of endurance training while on it, though. It's too severe.

 

yeah training for 72 hours of running and walking and lost of endurance is not a good thing.  Though being 30 lbs lighter would help alot.



2008-10-21 10:30 PM
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chirunner134 - 2008-10-21 9:26 PM

MikeTheBear - 2008-10-21 9:15 PM
Funny because I was thinking that the Velocity Diet would be a good option. Can't really do a lot of endurance training while on it, though. It's too severe.

 

yeah training for 72 hours of running and walking and lost of endurance is not a good thing.  Though being 30 lbs lighter would help alot.



Look at it this way. You have 10 weeks. The Velocity Diet lasts 4 weeks. During that time you will probably lose around 20 pounds, which is about what people have been losing on this diet. The weight loss will be almost all fat as the diet is high in protein. In fact, it's all protein shakes. It's worth trying since weight seems to be your major limiter.
2008-10-22 6:35 AM
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Subject: RE: Stop weight lifting?
MikeTheBear - 2008-10-21 10:15 PM
Leegoocrap - 2008-10-21 3:23 PM

 

Funny because I was thinking that the Velocity Diet would be a good option. Can't really do a lot of endurance training while on it, though. It's too severe.

 

I know... great minds and all

2008-10-22 7:54 AM
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MikeTheBear - 2008-10-21 10:30 PM

Look at it this way. You have 10 weeks. The Velocity Diet lasts 4 weeks. During that time you will probably lose around 20 pounds, which is about what people have been losing on this diet. The weight loss will be almost all fat as the diet is high in protein. In fact, it's all protein shakes. It's worth trying since weight seems to be your major limiter.

It sounds good except for apart of an article  just read.

"When you start a very low carb diet you cut off the body's supply of dietary carbohydrate and this leads to a rapid emptying of these liver and muscle glycogen stores. And when you lose that glycogen, you also lose the associated water. That's the reason why, during the first couple days of a low carb diet, you lose weight so dramatically. It's also why you may feel slimmer and lose "inches." You haven't lost fat. You've simply dumped the water out of your muscles and liver. "

whole thing is here.

http://www.phlaunt.com/lowcarb/19058097.php

2008-10-22 9:11 AM
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Subject: RE: Stop weight lifting?

My 2 cents....

The beautiful thing about weight lifting is that your body burns calories for hours after your work out, that is an advantage over cardio.  The key is to find a nice balance so that you are maintaining the mass and density of the muscle you already have, without adding any bulk.  This first of all is going to require the right mixture of proteins and carbs in your diet and keep your calorie expenditure higher than your intake.

I would recommend a program that conists of 3 excercises per body part, once per week.  For example... Mon (chest/Triceps), Wed (Back/Biceps), Fri (Legs/Shoulders), I always throw in some core training everyday I lift.  I lift about 65-75 % of my max and do 4 full sets of 20.  If you can't do 20 then start at 12 or 15, as long as your muscles are fatigued when your done.  if the weight becomes easy, increase your intensity... not so much the weight.  Remember, the goal is burning fat and increasing cardio, not bulking up.  I like to mix it up alot as to not do the same exercises each time (tricking my body so it always has to adapt) and I love to superset.  Similar to Crossfit..for example, use a straight bar and dumbells on bench, as soon as you are done with the set on bar go straight to dumbells with no rest between.

This type of workout forces your body to adapt quickly and forces your cardio to improve because you are not allowing it to recover before moving on.  Your body has to learn to move oxygen rapidly through the dense muscle.  Don't want to preach and I am certainly no expert.  The last thing I would like to point out is, the more bulk/mass you have ... your body has to feed oxygen to those muscles, this makes you fatigue much faster, which is not good for an endurance athlete.



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2008-10-22 10:51 AM
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Subject: RE: Stop weight lifting?

that article is pretty sketchy. I've personally seen massive amounts of change in somebody on the velocity diet. I had no problems with regaining weight ( I did gain back about 5lbs, but, lack of sodium during the diet more than the lack of carbs had to do with this water weight gain.

 

Still, no matter what diet plan / training plan you choose, ultimately success will hinge on what you do AFTER these 10 weeks are over.  Without a lifestyle change, any diet is pointless, and yo-yo dieting is more dangerous than being overweight.  

Most importantly be safe



2008-10-22 3:33 PM
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Subject: RE: Stop weight lifting?
Then there's this option: G-Flux. Fascinating stuff.

http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_forum/sports_body_training_perf...

2008-10-24 6:35 PM
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I saw some stuff above about reps. I am a huge fan of muscle confusion. Your body gets used to doing a repetitive activity and becomes more efficient. Efficiency sounds like a good thing, but your body won't be experiencing gains. For example, if you go for a 2 mile walk at a 17 min/mile pace, your body will get very good at doing a 2 mile walk at a 17 min/mile pace. The varied intensity and distances will help you get faster and burn more calories. Likewise, the same applies to weight training. Vary your reps, sets, and exercises.
2008-10-28 12:41 PM
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Chi - how are you doing? I've been tracking your blog since you posted this and haven't seen you. I hope you're OK.


I think the bottom line is consistency is key.

Steve
2008-10-28 1:33 PM
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Subject: RE: Stop weight lifting?
yeah I am good.  I am taking the week off from lifting only because I have a 50 mile race on saturday and I am stretching instead.  Otherwise I am sticking with the lifting program.  I am trying to be smart and add in more core.  Plus I had my leg strength tested and I clearly still have some muscle imbalances in my legs so I need to continue to work on strength to prevent possible injuries.  Nothing will slow down one's ablilities like excess weight and injuries.
2008-10-31 12:56 PM
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Good decision to stick with it.  If you stop, you won't have the muscle to support your weight loss.  You will loose weight, but it will be a false measurement of your success, because you will loose muscle.  Stick with it and your success rate will be higher.


2008-11-18 4:02 PM
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do.not.stop.
2008-11-18 4:09 PM
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BeginnerMan - 2008-11-18 4:02 PM do.not.stop.

 

I kinda stopped but only because I lost my job and my gym is not that close to home.  I thinking about joining a cheap gym alot closer to my house.  switching gyms can be expensive and not sure how long I will be out.  Hopely not too long.

2008-11-18 5:59 PM
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you can do some great stuff at home without anything!
That sucks about your job, i truly am sorry to hear that. its very tough right now.
Why don't you try doing some bodyweight exercises, like squats or lunges or pushups or box jumps or even crunches-all super good for you and at least you can still train a little bit without the gym and the added cost, I have many friends that swear by pushups,pullups and situps 4 days a week. but i think bodyweight exercises can still really work you out well and you don't need anything at all.
PM me if you need more help with some more bodyweight excercises!
2009-01-16 2:07 AM
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I know this is a little late but I thought I could add a little to this thread.  In your first post you said "then again I do not want to be too strong."  Why???  There is no downside to being stronger.  Maybe you meant that you don't want to gain muscle mass, or to be too "bulky".  That's a different matter.  But increasing strength shouldn't hamper your goals, whether it is weight loss, injury prevention, rehab, or race performance.   Something to try, if you've made it back to a gym, is to keep your repetitions low, as in 4-8 per set.  Above that and you get into the so-called hypertrophic range which would increase your muscle mass and you've said that isn't what you want to do.  Those numbers aren't accepted by everyone, but it's got some pretty good anecdotal evidence and some ok actual studies that supports it.

 Like everyone said, weightlifting will continue to burn calories after you stop the workout.  In terms of strength training and aerobic conditioning, studies have shown (but not proven) that if you add a strength training program to a conditioning program, the aerobic gains suffer a little.  You still make gains, but not as much as if you did not participate in the weightlifting workouts.  However, there's not as much of an effect of aerobic conditioning on strength gains.  So, it really depends on your goals there. 

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