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2009-01-21 9:52 AM

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Subject: Children accused of making child porn.
This story is ridiculous. Some teen girls send nude or semi-nude pictures of themselves to their boyfriends. One gets his phone taken away and it is 'searched'. Now they are all on the hook for child porn and face jail and being registered sex offenders? A little over the top if you ask me.

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2009-01-21 10:51 AM
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Over the top? As a former teenage boy, I would agree, but as the father of girls I would not. 

Think about this - the girl sexts a picture of herself to a boy.  He shares it with his friends, who disseminate it further.  Or worse, they break up, he is angry, and posts the picture, along with identifying information ("Here's that skanky ho from 1313 Mockingbird Lane".  Now every pervert who has the time and inclination can locate her, and already has an idea (probably inaccurate) that she is easy bait. And would you really want to be the girl who at 13 has dirty pictures of her on-line when you decide at 18 or 20 to become, say, a teacher?

It is unfortunate that things live on in our wired world, but it is the reality of the world our kids live in.  When I was in high school in the last century, if one kid threatened another, it became a matter of "he said, she said".  But now, if a kid sends out a threatening e-mail or IM, there is a clear record, and dangerousness needs to be established.  And I've treated both kids who clearly just were making a dumb-azz move, and some who really represented a threat.  So you can't readily dismiss things.  In a post-Columbine world, it is possible for a kid to act on a threat in very dangerous ways, as the tragedy at Virginia Tech showed.

2009-01-21 11:10 AM
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Then get the statutes changed. There's no exception for similar aged kids. Technically when a 15 year old takes nudie pics in the mirror, the camera device now contains child porn and it's a felony to even possess it, regardless of whether you knew it was on there or not. It's also distribution when the kid forwards the picture anywhere or to anyone.
2009-01-21 11:14 AM
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I doubt that the child porn charge will last... I bet there is an agreement to drop the porn charge later... but the prosecutor is sending a clear signal that this kind of behavior is unacceptable... it's not just a joke.  As has already been stated, there could be serious problems with a photo like this in circulation.

 

2009-01-21 11:22 AM
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Lest we forget that the girl chose to take the picture and send it.  If it comes back to bite her...who's fault is it also?

I think this is where the makers of the law didn't think about the possible implications. 



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2009-01-21 11:23 AM
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I never said I thought the actions are smart or right, but being a registered sex offender because your girlfriend sends you nude photos? This isn't a case of theft or anything like that. The girl willingly and of her own choice sent these out. But yet she and the boys are getting in trouble.


2009-01-21 11:24 AM
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Marvarnett - 2009-01-21 12:22 PM

Lest we forget that the girl chose to take the picture and send it.  If it comes back to bite her...who's fault is it also?

I think this is where the makers of the law didn't think about the possible implications. 

I would bet that when these child porn laws were written, cell phones with the ability to take and send pics was not even on the table... 

 

2009-01-21 11:34 AM
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bradword - 2009-01-21 12:23 PM

I never said I thought the actions are smart or right, but being a registered sex offender because your girlfriend sends you nude photos? This isn't a case of theft or anything like that. The girl willingly and of her own choice sent these out. But yet she and the boys are getting in trouble.


I would tend to agree with this argument. However, what's the difference between an adult who convinces a kid to take and send pictures of him/herself out? Is there a loophole there that a child molester might try to utilize to get out of serving time and avoiding punishment? I suspect yes.
2009-01-21 11:45 AM
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DZ I agree with what you are saying, which is why this needs to be looked at on a case to case basis and not have a zero tolerance stand point.
2009-01-21 11:51 AM
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bradword - 2009-01-21 12:45 PM

DZ I agree with what you are saying, which is why this needs to be looked at on a case to case basis and not have a zero tolerance stand point.


Fair point.

Zero tolerance = every kid has a criminal record.
2009-01-21 11:53 AM
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See, I take the other side of the fence on this.  The boys kept the images on their phones - hence they are in trouble.

If the timeline was they received an incoming message with an attachment and as they were opening the attachment the phone was siezed, that is one thing.  But to LEAVE the images on the phone is totally another.

It is the same analogy if you receive a random unsolicitied email attached.  If you keep that email and attachment on your computer, you are susceptable to being in trouble.  But, if you erase (or make every attempt to erase) the email/pictures, that is a different story.

 



2009-01-21 11:55 AM
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Because every teenage boy I know would erase naked pictures their girlfriend sent them in a heartbeat
2009-01-21 1:02 PM
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Marvarnett - 2009-01-21 12:22 PM

Lest we forget that the girl chose to take the picture and send it.  If it comes back to bite her...who's fault is it also? 

So, do you still agree that everything you said and did at 13-14 years old was a good idea?  Most of us would NOT want our adolescence to haunt us in this way (I still am distressed that my kids found pictures from my high school mime days - don't ask!).

And as someone else noted, if peter pedophile convinces a 13 year old to send him nude shots of herself, somehow that would be OK since she did it willingly? (with apologies to any people actually named peter pedophile)

2009-01-21 1:32 PM
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gearboy - 2009-01-21 2:02 PM
Marvarnett - 2009-01-21 12:22 PM

Lest we forget that the girl chose to take the picture and send it.  If it comes back to bite her...who's fault is it also? 

So, do you still agree that everything you said and did at 13-14 years old was a good idea?  Most of us would NOT want our adolescence to haunt us in this way (I still am distressed that my kids found pictures from my high school mime days - don't ask!).

And as someone else noted, if peter pedophile convinces a 13 year old to send him nude shots of herself, somehow that would be OK since she did it willingly? (with apologies to any people actually named peter pedophile)

So you were a mime n HS?

Seriously, my point was that she has to take the blame as well.  And if something I did in my past comes back to haunt me...then so be it.  In the scenario you just laid out, the girl is going to be hit with more more charges than the guy (sadly) since she created and distributed child porn. 

But...either case is bad.

2009-01-21 2:40 PM
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Bottom line where would we all be if it was not for girls with low self esteem? 

And boys with unlimited texting.

2009-01-21 3:30 PM
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Maybe we need zero tolerance in this case. Perhaps the image of 14 year old girls as registered sex offenders and spending four years in government institutions will convince legislators to think about the consequences of their laws instead of the sound bites. "Look at me, I did something about child pornography!" will turn into, "Ooops, my hastily written and poorly thought out law has punished the very people it was intended to protect."

The nanny state has consequences and kids going to jail for relatively innocent mistakes is one of them. If you do not have zero tolerance, we are handing that much more power to police and prosecutors over the public.

"Sexting" is a stupid idea and parents need to get kids to understand the consequences of their actions. If a girl is so immature to think that these pictures should be taken and sent out of their control, then maybe she shouldn't have a phone or camera or even a computer. Seriously.


2009-01-21 3:38 PM
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Marvarnett - 2009-01-21 11:22 AM

Lest we forget that the girl chose to take the picture and send it.  If it comes back to bite her...who's fault is it also?

I think this is where the makers of the law didn't think about the possible implications. 



This is a slipperly slope.

Some scum bag makes girls take pictures of themselves and put them on a website - there you go.

If someone grows their own marijuana and smokes it at home it is still against the law.
2009-01-21 3:46 PM
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If I were the parents of the girls, I'd be PI$$ED OFF AS HE77....but to charge them with child porn? Excuse me? At what point is ignorance of the law a legit excuse?? A girl whose only exposure to the legal system is somthing like Boston Legal is supposed to know the definition of child porn? That goes for the boys on the receiving end too....The girls are to blame. The boys are being boys...scare the crap out of 'em. Show 'em the consequences of that pic 5 years down the road, and be done with it....but to make them register as sex offenders? Stupid. That almost happened to a friends 17 yo son who was taking a pi$$ in the bushes by a house that got busted by the cops....ridiculus legal system.....(don't get me started on the "I'm a Millionaire b/c I slipped on grape juice carelessly left on the grocery floor!!)
2009-01-21 6:03 PM
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Why does a kid need a cell phone? I don't get it. Yet another reason.

Very very disturbing to me that ANYONE would think it is at all appropriate to send naked pictures of themselves over a cell phone. Am I wrong on that?

Information flows way too fast these days. If you are going to be part of the flow then you have to have half a brain on you.



2009-01-21 6:47 PM
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Wolff27 - 2009-01-21 4:38 PM
Marvarnett - 2009-01-21 11:22 AM

Lest we forget that the girl chose to take the picture and send it. If it comes back to bite her...who's fault is it also?

I think this is where the makers of the law didn't think about the possible implications.

This is a slipperly slope. Some scum bag makes girls take pictures of themselves and put them on a website - there you go. If someone grows their own marijuana and smokes it at home it is still against the law.

Completely agree. But what about the underage girl that takes pictures of herself and puts them online. Any worse?

My point is intent. 



Edited by Marvarnett 2009-01-21 6:48 PM
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