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 2009-03-18 9:50 AM |
Champion  6962      Atlanta, Ga |  Subject: C'Dale Recalls bikes because of the spoke protectorAre they serious? For those of you who don't know they are talking about the plastic disk betwen your cassette and spokes.
News from CPSCU.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission
Cannondale Recalls Road Bicycles Due to Fall HazardWASHINGTON, D.C. - The U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission, in cooperation with the firm named below, today announced a voluntary recall of the following consumer product. Consumers should stop using recalled products immediately unless otherwise instructed. Name of product: 2009 Six 5, Six 6, Six Carbon 5 and Six Carbon 6 Bicycles Units: About 1,300 Importer: Cannondale Bicycle Corporation, of Bethel, Conn. Hazard: The bicycles fail to meet the federal safety standard for bicycles. Spoke protector discs, required on bicycles to prevent the bicycle chain from interfering or suddenly stopping the wheel, are missing from these bicycles. This poses a fall hazard to the rider. Incidents/Injuries: None reported. Description: The following Cannondale bicycles are included in the recall. "Six" is printed on the bicycle’s top tube and "Cannondale" is printed on the down tube.
Sold at: Authorized Cannondale dealers nationwide from October 2008 through February 2009 for between $1,500 and $2,100. Manufactured in: Taiwan Remedy: Consumers should stop using the recalled bicycles immediately and contact any authorized Cannondale bicycle dealer for a free repair. Consumer Contact: For additional information, contact Cannondale at (800) 245-3872 between 9 a.m. and 5 p.m. ET Monday through Friday or visit Cannondale’s Web site at www.cannondale.com --- Send the link for this page to a friend! The U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission is charged with protecting the public from unreasonable risks of serious injury or death from thousands of types of consumer products under the agency's jurisdiction. The CPSC is committed to protecting consumers and families from products that pose a fire, electrical, chemical, or mechanical hazard. The CPSC's work to ensure the safety of consumer products - such as toys, cribs, power tools, cigarette lighters, and household chemicals - contributed significantly to the decline in the rate of deaths and injuries associated with consumer products over the past 30 years. To report a dangerous product or a product-related injury, call CPSC's hotline at (800) 638-2772 or CPSC's teletypewriter at (800) 638-8270, or visit CPSC's web site at www.cpsc.gov/talk.html. To join a CPSC email subscription list, please go to https://www.cpsc.gov/cpsclist.aspx. Consumers can obtain this release and recall information at CPSC's Web site at www.cpsc.gov. |
| 2009-03-18 9:51 AM in reply to: #2025126 |
Champion 6962 Atlanta, Ga | Subject: RE: C'Dale Recalls bikes because of the spoke protector some people call them dork discs. I guess they are going to issue a recall for bikes that don't have reflectors next. |
| 2009-03-18 9:55 AM in reply to: #2025135 |
Champion 4942 Richmond, VA | Subject: RE: C'Dale Recalls bikes because of the spoke protector Marvarnett - 2009-03-18 10:51 AM ... dork discs. ....
huh? I thought this was going to be a thread about
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| 2009-03-18 9:57 AM in reply to: #2025147 |
Champion 6962 Atlanta, Ga | Subject: RE: C'Dale Recalls bikes because of the spoke protector condorman - 2009-03-18 10:55 AM Marvarnett - 2009-03-18 10:51 AM ... dork discs. ....
huh? I thought this was going to be a thread about
And WHY is it you have a camera in the bathroom? And close the curtain...I don't need to see your razor. |
| 2009-03-18 10:14 AM in reply to: #2025135 |
Giver 18427 | Subject: RE: C'Dale Recalls bikes because of the spoke protector Marvarnett - 2009-03-18 10:51 AM some people call them dork discs. I guess they are going to issue a recall for bikes that don't have reflectors next. I was thinking exactly the same thing, and you be they would. It's far easier for them to issue a recall statement through the CPSC and have dealers spend 5 minutes putting the protectors on (or having consumers ignore it because lots of people take them off anyway) than to have to litigate lawsuits from people with an out-of-adjustment derailures ( I *cannot* spell that word) shifting their chains into the spokes and crashing. |
| 2009-03-18 10:34 AM in reply to: #2025126 |
Champion 10668 Tacoma, Washington | Subject: RE: C'Dale Recalls bikes because of the spoke protector For every wheel I've ever purchased that has one of those things on it, I have it off within 5 minutes of landing at home... |
| 2009-03-18 10:36 AM in reply to: #2025296 |
Champion 16151 Checkin' out the podium girls | Subject: RE: C'Dale Recalls bikes because of the spoke protector briderdt - 2009-03-18 11:34 AM For every wheel I've ever purchased that has one of those things on it, I have it off within 5 minutes of landing at home... You're not a newbie who doesn't understand cable stretch and derailleur adjustment either. I understand the recall, but some of it falls on the LBS who doesn't explain those phenomenae to their customers. |
| 2009-03-18 10:44 AM in reply to: #2025308 |
Pro 3906 St Charles, IL | Subject: RE: C'Dale Recalls bikes because of the spoke protector pitt83 - 2009-03-18 10:36 AM briderdt - 2009-03-18 11:34 AM You're not a newbie who doesn't understand cable stretch and derailleur adjustment either. I understand the recall, but some of it falls on the LBS who doesn't explain those phenomenae to their customers.For every wheel I've ever purchased that has one of those things on it, I have it off within 5 minutes of landing at home... These aren't exactly entry level $250 cruisers though that we're talking about. |
| 2009-03-18 10:47 AM in reply to: #2025126 |
Supersonicus Idioticus 2439 Thunder Bay, ON | Subject: RE: C'Dale Recalls bikes because of the spoke protector I tried to remove that once, and the chain got stuck in a race... I ended up running my bike to the finish (didn't finish last either). |
| 2009-03-18 11:31 AM in reply to: #2025126 |
Pro 4578 Vancouver, BC | Subject: RE: C'Dale Recalls bikes because of the spoke protector If you have some time check out bsnyc's fascination with pie plates. |
| 2009-03-18 1:56 PM in reply to: #2025308 |
| Elite 3650 Laurium, MI | Subject: RE: C'Dale Recalls bikes because of the spoke protector pitt83 - 2009-03-18 11:36 AM briderdt - 2009-03-18 11:34 AM You're not a newbie who doesn't understand cable stretch and derailleur adjustment either. I understand the recall, but some of it falls on the LBS who doesn't explain those phenomenae to their customers.For every wheel I've ever purchased that has one of those things on it, I have it off within 5 minutes of landing at home... cable tension doesn't matter. Spring tension pulls the RD away from the wheel. Besides, there are limit screws to prevent that. Granted, the limit screw could be adjusted wrong, but the LBS should set that on EVERY bike they build, so I can see the shop being (partially) liable, but not C'Dale. Why not recall Shimano style brakes? It's MUCH easier to forget to close one of those guys when putting your wheel in then to somehow shift into the spokes. |
| 2009-03-18 2:04 PM in reply to: #2025126 |
Elite 3491 In The Peleton | Subject: RE: C'Dale Recalls bikes because of the spoke protector Those things are dangerous. My bro in law cut the crap out of his leg trying to remove one (with a box cutter). |
| 2009-03-18 2:05 PM in reply to: #2025818 |
Champion 16151 Checkin' out the podium girls | Subject: RE: C'Dale Recalls bikes because of the spoke protector vortmax - 2009-03-18 2:56 PM pitt83 - 2009-03-18 11:36 AM briderdt - 2009-03-18 11:34 AM You're not a newbie who doesn't understand cable stretch and derailleur adjustment either. I understand the recall, but some of it falls on the LBS who doesn't explain those phenomenae to their customers.For every wheel I've ever purchased that has one of those things on it, I have it off within 5 minutes of landing at home... cable tension doesn't matter. Spring tension pulls the RD away from the wheel. Besides, there are limit screws to prevent that. Granted, the limit screw could be adjusted wrong, but the LBS should set that on EVERY bike they build, so I can see the shop being (partially) liable, but not C'Dale. Why not recall Shimano style brakes? It's MUCH easier to forget to close one of those guys when putting your wheel in then to somehow shift into the spokes. And that isn't to say that the unknowing customer turned those little screws to fix a shifting problem either. We agree: When the RD is properly aligned and adjusted, it's not going to throw the chain into the spokes of the wheel. It's just the government protecting us from the failure of a government regulation requiring spoke protectors on rear wheels. PS: You forgot to mention why they're called "lawyer tabs". |
| 2009-03-18 2:08 PM in reply to: #2025843 |
Giver 18427 | Subject: RE: C'Dale Recalls bikes because of the spoke protector pitt83 - 2009-03-18 3:05 PM It's just the government protecting us from the failure of a government regulation requiring spoke protectors on rear wheels. PS: You forgot to mention why they're called "lawyer tabs". Um...the gov't has got nothing to do with it. It's Cannondale protecting themselves from safety equipment they forgot to install. I don't know of any gov't regulations regarding the installation of spoke protectors on bikes. |
| 2009-03-18 2:13 PM in reply to: #2025126 |
| Elite 3650 Laurium, MI | Subject: RE: C'Dale Recalls bikes because of the spoke protector i always associated lawyer tabs, aka lawyer lips, as the ridges on the end of your fork that make you unscrew the skewer a ridiculous amount to drop the front wheel. You know...the ones everybody just grinds off. So C'Dale is liable for someone adjusting a component they didn't make.... Maybe I'll improperly bleed the brakes on my truck, crash it, then sue chrystler. not arguing with you...just against general stupidity. |
| 2009-03-18 2:16 PM in reply to: #2025308 |
Champion 6503 NOVA - Ironic for an Endurance Athlete | Subject: RE: C'Dale Recalls bikes because of the spoke protector pitt83 - 2009-03-18 10:36 AM briderdt - 2009-03-18 11:34 AM You're not a newbie who doesn't understand cable stretch and derailleur adjustment either. I understand the recall, but some of it falls on the LBS who doesn't explain those phenomenae to their customers.For every wheel I've ever purchased that has one of those things on it, I have it off within 5 minutes of landing at home... I don't understand cable stretch and derailleur adjustment. I DO understand that my bike needs visits to the LBS for tune ups. That seems to be sufficient for me. |
| 2009-03-18 2:22 PM in reply to: #2025818 |
Champion 11989 Philly 'burbs | Subject: RE: C'Dale Recalls bikes because of the spoke protector vortmax - 2009-03-18 2:56 PM Why not recall Shimano style brakes? It's MUCH easier to forget to close one of those guys when putting your wheel in then to somehow shift into the spokes.
Once I was flying down a hill and happened to notice my front brake was open. |
| 2009-03-18 2:22 PM in reply to: #2025854 |
Giver 18427 | Subject: RE: C'Dale Recalls bikes because of the spoke protector vortmax - 2009-03-18 3:13 PM So C'Dale is liable for someone adjusting a component they didn't make.... Maybe I'll improperly bleed the brakes on my truck, crash it, then sue chrystler. I hear ya. BUt here's the thinking:
So...Cannondale could have done two things (note that it was a voluntary recall). Do nothing and hope no one has a problem. If a problem happens, any reasonable judge, knowing the above facts, is going to side with the plaintiff(s). And award them a truckload of money. Or...they could notify the CPSC and have bike owners bring the bikes into the shop for a 5 minute repair, absolving them most likely for any liability. Or at least significantly mitigating it. And, the remedy costs them practically nothing. Kind of a no-brainer form Cannondale's perspective.
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| 2009-03-18 2:29 PM in reply to: #2025879 |
| Elite 3650 Laurium, MI | Subject: RE: C'Dale Recalls bikes because of the spoke protector run4yrlif - 2009-03-18 3:22 PM I hear ya. BUt here's the thinking:
So...Cannondale could have done two things (note that it was a voluntary recall). Do nothing and hope no one has a problem. If a problem happens, any reasonable judge, knowing the above facts, is going to side with the plaintiff(s). And award them a truckload of money. Or...they could notify the CPSC and have bike owners bring the bikes into the shop for a 5 minute repair, absolving them most likely for any liability. Or at least significantly mitigating it. And, the remedy costs them practically nothing. Kind of a no-brainer form Cannondale's perspective.
I totally get that, and if i were C'Dale, I'd be doing the same thing. I'm saying it's stupid that anyone would hold C'Dale liable for not putting dork-discs on their bikes, or that someone would actually think "hey, I shifted into my spokes because MY bike, who's maintenance I'M responsible for was improperly adjusted. Clearly the manufacturer should have forseen my negelgence and installed a proper saftey device." more of a comment on general society then on C'Dale. I know, I know.... Why DO I hate America?? Edited by vortmax 2009-03-18 2:30 PM |
| 2009-03-18 2:31 PM in reply to: #2025896 |
Champion 11989 Philly 'burbs | Subject: RE: C'Dale Recalls bikes because of the spoke protector vortmax - 2009-03-18 3:29 PM run4yrlif - 2009-03-18 3:22 PM I hear ya. BUt here's the thinking:
So...Cannondale could have done two things (note that it was a voluntary recall). Do nothing and hope no one has a problem. If a problem happens, any reasonable judge, knowing the above facts, is going to side with the plaintiff(s). And award them a truckload of money. Or...they could notify the CPSC and have bike owners bring the bikes into the shop for a 5 minute repair, absolving them most likely for any liability. Or at least significantly mitigating it. And, the remedy costs them practically nothing. Kind of a no-brainer form Cannondale's perspective.
I totally get that, and if i were C'Dale, I'd be doing the same thing. I'm saying it's stupid that anyone would hold C'Dale liable for not putting dork-discs on their bikes, or that someone would actually think "hey, I shifted into my spokes because MY bike, who's maintenance I'M responsible for was improperly adjusted. Clearly the manufacturer should have forseen my negelgence and installed a proper saftey device."
Stupid or not, courts seems to support the idea that people need to be protected from themselves. Personal responsibility be d@mned! Edited by mrbbrad 2009-03-18 2:31 PM |
| 2009-03-18 2:32 PM in reply to: #2025126 |
Champion 16151 Checkin' out the podium girls | Subject: RE: C'Dale Recalls bikes because of the spoke protector Oddly enough, a quick google reveals that, in 1974, an agent of the federal government said you have to have a dork-disc (or physical prevention of the derailleur putting the chain into the wheel) installed: http://www.cpsc.gov/LIBRARY/FOIA/advisory/167.pdf SO, it seems it's not just Can-O-Ale protecting themselves from liability suits. Nothing like federal regulators... Edited by pitt83 2009-03-18 2:33 PM |
| 2009-03-18 2:32 PM in reply to: #2025896 |
Giver 18427 | Subject: RE: C'Dale Recalls bikes because of the spoke protector vortmax - 2009-03-18 3:29 PM I totally get that, and if i were C'Dale, I'd be doing the same thing. I'm saying it's stupid that anyone would hold C'Dale liable for not putting dork-discs on their bikes, or that someone would actually think "hey, I shifted into my spokes because MY bike, who's maintenance I'M responsible for was improperly adjusted. Clearly the manufacturer should have forseen my negelgence and installed a proper saftey device." I know what you're saying, but whan an industry-recognized safety device exists, and they forget to install it...well... If I forget to use my seat belt, shame on me. If pontiac fails to install one in my car, shame on them. |
| 2009-03-18 2:35 PM in reply to: #2025903 |
Giver 18427 | Subject: RE: C'Dale Recalls bikes because of the spoke protector pitt83 - 2009-03-18 3:32 PM Oddly enough, a quick google reveals that, in 1974, an agent of the federal government said you have to have a dork-disc (or physical prevention of the derailleur putting the chain into the wheel) installed: http://www.cpsc.gov/LIBRARY/FOIA/advisory/167.pdfSO, it seems it's not just Can-O-Ale protecting themselves from liability suits. Nothing like federal regulators... Note that "Michael Brown, General Counsel" isn't a regulator, apparently, but rather a litigator. |
| 2009-03-18 2:35 PM in reply to: #2025899 |
| Elite 3650 Laurium, MI | Subject: RE: C'Dale Recalls bikes because of the spoke protector mrbbrad - 2009-03-18 3:31 PM Stupid or not, courts seems to support the idea that people need to be protected from themselves. Personal responsibility be d@mned! Yes! It's my right as an American to do something stupid and have someone else pay for it...and if they don't, then government should! okay, I'm done. I'm calling it a day here at work and heading home to screw around with my bikes instead of screw around on the computer. |
| 2009-03-18 2:39 PM in reply to: #2025913 |
Champion 16151 Checkin' out the podium girls | Subject: RE: C'Dale Recalls bikes because of the spoke protector vortmax - 2009-03-18 3:35 PM mrbbrad - 2009-03-18 3:31 PM Stupid or not, courts seems to support the idea that people need to be protected from themselves. Personal responsibility be d@mned! Yes! It's my right as an American to do something stupid and have someone else pay for it...and if they don't, then government should! okay, I'm done. I'm calling it a day here at work and heading home to screw around with my bikes instead of screw around on the computer. Why don't you see what those 2 little screws on the read derailleur do? Maybe you'll go faster? |
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