WWBTD - Race Wheel Rentals
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2009-05-18 10:04 AM |
Pro 4353 Wallingford, PA | Subject: WWBTD - Race Wheel Rentals Okay.... I know this has been discussed a bunch before, so forgive me for re-posting this question, but I thought it might help me to get some feedback on how or whether race wheels might benefit me, specifically... I'm considering renting a set of race wheels for Eagleman 70.3 next month. My first question is - how much might they benefit a rider like me? I am riding a 2006 QR Seduza with stock wheels (A-Class ALX 320), which are a somewhat-aero wheel-set (I can't find a decent picture to post - sorry!). I'm a 46 year old woman, 5' 9", about 155 lbs. Flat training rides at moderate/easy pace with minimal wind are typically in the 17 - 18 mph range. So... for a rider like ME, what kind of time benefit, if any, could I expect from a set of race wheels? If there is a benefit that might be worth-while, what kind of wheels should I consider? I haven't ridden the Eagleman course yet, but my understanding is that it can be pretty windy. I'm thinking a disc wheel is probably not the best choice... Would I notice much difference between 404's and 808's? Is one better than another on a windy course, or am I better off just sticking with my trusty ol' stock wheels? Thanks - looking forward to your feedback!!! |
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2009-05-18 11:07 AM in reply to: #2157705 |
Not a Coach 11473 Media, PA | Subject: RE: WWBTD - Race Wheel Rentals If you rent them, a deep front and disc rear will provide the most savings. Especially on a windy day. Any aero wheels will make you feel cross-winds more, so you'll have to consider that since you won't really be able to decide if that bothers you much before race day. The front wheel is generally where you will feel this most, not from the rear disc. As to how much savings? A couple minutes, perhaps several. Is that "worth it"? Entirely for you to decide. |
2009-05-18 11:12 AM in reply to: #2157705 |
Giver 18427 | Subject: RE: WWBTD - Race Wheel Rentals If you're goal is to race Eagleman competitively, if you're looking for a podium spot or a Clearwater slot, then yeah, it's probably worth it. How much would it suck to miss a world championship by a few minutes? |
2009-05-18 11:58 AM in reply to: #2157705 |
Expert 774 | Subject: RE: WWBTD - Race Wheel Rentals I upgraded from my standard 28mm aluminum Ritchey wheels to FSA carbon fiber 48mm wheels. I notice a fair difference at speeds of 20+, but not much difference below 18. I would guess less than 5 minutes. |
2009-05-18 11:58 AM in reply to: #2157977 |
Pro 4353 Wallingford, PA | Subject: RE: WWBTD - Race Wheel Rentals run4yrlif - 2009-05-18 12:12 PM If you're goal is to race Eagleman competitively, if you're looking for a podium spot or a Clearwater slot, then yeah, it's probably worth it. How much would it suck to miss a world championship by a few minutes? pffffttttt!!!! THAT's not gonna be an issue for me!! However, if I switch my registration from AG to > 40 Athena (which I think I'm probably gonna do), I MIGHT have a shot at a podium spot in the "old fat ladies" division...... |
2009-05-18 1:11 PM in reply to: #2158156 |
Not a Coach 11473 Media, PA | Subject: RE: WWBTD - Race Wheel Rentals greyg8r - 2009-05-18 12:58 PM I notice a fair difference at speeds of 20+, but not much difference below 18. Just wondering how you notice a "difference" at different speeds. Drag is a factor at all speeds and areodynamics reduce drag. Meaning for a given level of "output" you will go faster with better aerodynamics than without. At "slower" speeds you will actually save more time over a set distance course. |
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2009-05-18 2:18 PM in reply to: #2158421 |
Extreme Veteran 448 | Subject: RE: WWBTD - Race Wheel Rentals JohnnyKay - 2009-05-18 1:11 PM greyg8r - 2009-05-18 12:58 PM I notice a fair difference at speeds of 20+, but not much difference below 18. Just wondering how you notice a "difference" at different speeds. Drag is a factor at all speeds and areodynamics reduce drag. Meaning for a given level of "output" you will go faster with better aerodynamics than without. At "slower" speeds you will actually save more time over a set distance course. I have read that numerous times as well, that unless you are consistently doing 20+ mph, aero wheels are really not that much benefit to you. |
2009-05-18 2:38 PM in reply to: #2158654 |
Not a Coach 11473 Media, PA | Subject: RE: WWBTD - Race Wheel Rentals Parr8hed - 2009-05-18 3:18 PM JohnnyKay - 2009-05-18 1:11 PM I have read that numerous times as well, that unless you are consistently doing 20+ mph, aero wheels are really not that much benefit to you.greyg8r - 2009-05-18 12:58 PM I notice a fair difference at speeds of 20+, but not much difference below 18. Just wondering how you notice a "difference" at different speeds. Drag is a factor at all speeds and areodynamics reduce drag. Meaning for a given level of "output" you will go faster with better aerodynamics than without. At "slower" speeds you will actually save more time over a set distance course. You can read it as much as you want. Does not change the physics involved. |
2009-05-18 2:47 PM in reply to: #2157705 |
Cycling Guru 15134 Fulton, MD | Subject: RE: WWBTD - Race Wheel Rentals Aero benefits you if you are simply a body in motion. Doesn't matter if you are doing 1 mph or 30. You will still receive a benefit from having a better coefficient of drag. As someone who has done E-Man three times, did Chessieman iron distance aqua velo and a few other cycling time trials on the course, let me tell you straight up that if it is windy, you will not want a really deep section front/rear set up, especially if you are smaller. I'm 175 and at Chessieman (constant 15 - 20 mph winds with up to 30+ mph gusts) I was blown from one side of the lane to the other - almost into ongoing traffic - using a disc/deep section front. And once when reaching down for a bottle had a gust almost take out my front wheel. I've been riding for years and have only had one or two other times where the pucker factor was that high! But the cost to benefit is really good with wheels especially rented ones. I would suggest a 606 combo. They don't sell that anymore, but it is an 808 rear with a 404 front. Gives you the best of both worlds with a little more control up front by not being too deep, but enough to give you an aero benefit. Just tell them that is what you want and they will accommodate you. I personally would not recommend the disc for you. The key thing you need to remember on that course is to stay aero the entire time unless you are standing up to stretch. There is no reason at all to come out of the aero position and if you are fit right to the bike, this shouldn't be a problem. If you can't hold your position, you lose all benefit of having it to begin with. |
2009-05-18 5:46 PM in reply to: #2157705 |
Pro 4353 Wallingford, PA | Subject: RE: WWBTD - Race Wheel Rentals Thanks, Rick, that's very helpful! Another stupid question from a potential first-time race wheel user.... Would I need special brake pads for Zipp wheels?? |
2009-05-18 7:43 PM in reply to: #2159296 |
Regular 259 Hamilton | Subject: RE: WWBTD - Race Wheel Rentals Depending on who you rent the wheels from brake pads might be included. For their cost it makes sense for the people renting the wheels to include them and prolong the renting life of the wheel. Always best to check though. If not..it might not be abad idea to get a pair. For most race wheels with clincher rims..they aren't needed though. |
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2009-05-19 8:11 AM in reply to: #2158737 |
New user 32 | Subject: RE: WWBTD - Race Wheel Rentals JohnnyKay - 2009-05-18 2:38 PM Parr8hed - 2009-05-18 3:18 PM JohnnyKay - 2009-05-18 1:11 PM I have read that numerous times as well, that unless you are consistently doing 20+ mph, aero wheels are really not that much benefit to you.greyg8r - 2009-05-18 12:58 PM I notice a fair difference at speeds of 20+, but not much difference below 18. Just wondering how you notice a "difference" at different speeds. Drag is a factor at all speeds and areodynamics reduce drag. Meaning for a given level of "output" you will go faster with better aerodynamics than without. At "slower" speeds you will actually save more time over a set distance course. You can read it as much as you want. Does not change the physics involved. Drag is proportional to the square of velocity so the benefit is exponential with speed. |
2009-05-19 8:51 AM in reply to: #2160169 |
Not a Coach 11473 Media, PA | Subject: RE: WWBTD - Race Wheel Rentals pilam99 - 2009-05-19 9:11 AM Drag is proportional to the square of velocity so the benefit is exponential with speed. Work on your math. The faster rider will see a bigger PERCENTAGE increase in their speed. The slower rider will see greater TIME savings (out on the course longer so their benefit adds up more). |
2009-05-19 10:46 AM in reply to: #2157705 |
Veteran 133 | Subject: RE: WWBTD - Race Wheel Rentals Nice to see we are in physics class today! |