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2009-06-23 10:11 PM

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Subject: Yet another "Help me choose a Tri/TT bike thread"
As expected, I've loved and used my entry level roadie for about a year, and am now itching for something Tri Specific.  I'm not terribly fast on the bike, but enjoy the heck out of riding, and so far have done 100% of my training alone, so I think I'd be a good match for a Tri bike.  I'm also in a good financial situation right now, so I'm officially in the market.

So far, ive been doing a fair amount of research around the internet, and have taken a trip to my LBS, the trisports.com retail store in Tucson where I've was given a basic fitting, and spent 45 minutes or so chatting with the sales guy.  After my research, and what I learned from my trip to the shop, I've narrowed my choices to the following three bikes.  My initial budget is anywhere in the $3k-$5k region, and I'll get a complimentary FIST fitting after buying any of the three.  The basic fitting has suggested that I fit in the "normal" part of the curve as far as fitting goes, and will be riding a 52" frame in a Tri bike.

1) 2009 Felt B12: Price $3095.00 - This bike is at the very bottom of my price range, but I keep reading how good the bang for the buck is with the B12, so I'm still considering it in lieu of a couple other slightly more pricey bikes

2) 2009 Felt B2: Price $3795.00 - I was initially looking at the B12 over this bike, but after a little more research, I've learned that the B2 frame is of higher quality than the B12, and is just a hair lighter.  I know the different headset does result in a performance increase, but I'm not sure if the extra performance is worth the $700 premium

3) 2009 Scott Plasma 10:  Price $3699.00 - I hadn't considered this bike until they wheeled one in front of me at the bike shop.  The price is comprable to the B2, but as far as I am aware comes with lesser components (ultrega instead of dura ace) and lower performance wheels.  The scott frame, however, is the same used on their top of the line bike, as opposed to the B2 which is a step down and just a hair heaver.


So, going with the "buy the frame"  philosophy I'd be led in the direction of the Scott bike, however I was under the impression that the Scott bikes fall into the "super aggressive fit" type category, and I've also read that I may be purchasing new aero bars and probably better wheels in the near future.  I absolutely love the cockpit that comes with the Felt bikes, and like the fact that I'll easily be able to use the wheels that come with either felt bike for racing for a season or two, but on the other hand, the Scott gives me an absolutely top of the line frame that could be slowly upgraded to make a screaming awesome bike in a few years.  I like the scott cockpit a little less, and find it a little less "photogenic"

The LBS told me the next step would be to bring in my pedals and shoes and take a couple bikes for a spin, but I'm not all that sure what I might learn from this process.  As of right now, I'm pretty much torn between the three.


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2009-06-23 10:20 PM
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Subject: RE: Yet another "Help me choose a Tri/TT bike thread"
My personal opinion I would go with the B2. I love felt bikes, I am currently riding a 2006 Felt B2. But I am going in tomorrow for a fit on the b12 and b16. I would love to get the b2 but my budget just won't allow it. With you trying to decide between the B2 and B12, I think the B2 is the best bet you get a higher grade carbon (which really results in a slight weight change) the bayonet fork and higher grade components. If you are looking at buying the B12 and upgrading I think it cost you more in the end than just going with the B2.  Also I am no bike expert, but I have been really researching Felts as I am looking to pull the trigger soon. Hopefully this help. 
2009-06-24 5:23 AM
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Subject: RE: Yet another "Help me choose a Tri/TT bike thread"
Are you sure about your "research" on the B12 vs. B2 frame?

http://www.bikesportmichigan.com/reviews/FeltB12-2009.shtml

"For 2009 the frame of the B12 has been upgraded to the same frame used in Felt’s high end B2 bikes. You read that right: The new B12 actually uses a B2 frame. This means the bike is lighter, rides more comfortably and is stiffer than the previous version. To put that upgrade in perspective we are talking about the same frame used on Felt’s $7499 B2 Pro, but on a bike with an excellent component spec for an MSRP of about $3K complete."
2009-06-24 5:42 AM
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Your bike shop sounds great to work with...that's a great process...preliminary fit, test ride(s), then final fit. Lots of times folks don't have the opportunity to be on the bikes before they buy.

A couple things jump out at me, based on what you've described. 

- The difference between Ultegra and DA will be pretty negligible, the main difference is weight (DA is a hair lighter) and warranty (a 3-year warranty vs 2).  Shift performance is almost identical.  I wouldn't use that as a deciding factor. 

- The B12 - B2 frame differences is weight (.5 lb), and a little stiffness. Both frames will feel like gold compared to what you're riding, but I'd take them both for a test ride anyway. Negligible difference unless you're splitting hairs. 

- The Plasma's spec looks almost exactly like the B12's EXCEPT the wheels. Shimano's RS-10's on the Plasma are pretty much run-of-the-mill wheels, not light, not aero, but adequate. The B12 will come with TTR3's, aero spokes, great reviews, but are slightly heavier.

- The Scott weighs about 1lb less than the B12, and about the same as the B2. Don't know if that matters to you.

Wheels and weight aside, I think it comes down to three intangibles for you: How it rides, Aesthetics, and $$. If it were me, I'd be on the B12 and save the $700 bucks.   

2009-06-24 5:43 AM
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newleaf - 2009-06-24 6:23 AM Are you sure about your "research" on the B12 vs. B2 frame?

http://www.bikesportmichigan.com/reviews/FeltB12-2009.shtml

"For 2009 the frame of the B12 has been upgraded to the same frame used in Felt’s high end B2 bikes. You read that right: The new B12 actually uses a B2 frame. This means the bike is lighter, rides more comfortably and is stiffer than the previous version. To put that upgrade in perspective we are talking about the same frame used on Felt’s $7499 B2 Pro, but on a bike with an excellent component spec for an MSRP of about $3K complete."


This was clarified on ST by SuperDave...and Demerly hasn't changed his editorial - yet. In summary, The difference is in the process for laying up. They use the same molds, apparently, but the process and materials are slightly different.
2009-06-24 5:51 AM
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rkreuser - 2009-06-24 6:43 AM
newleaf - 2009-06-24 6:23 AM Are you sure about your "research" on the B12 vs. B2 frame?

http://www.bikesportmichigan.com/reviews/FeltB12-2009.shtml

"For 2009 the frame of the B12 has been upgraded to the same frame used in Felt’s high end B2 bikes. You read that right: The new B12 actually uses a B2 frame. This means the bike is lighter, rides more comfortably and is stiffer than the previous version. To put that upgrade in perspective we are talking about the same frame used on Felt’s $7499 B2 Pro, but on a bike with an excellent component spec for an MSRP of about $3K complete."


This was clarified on ST by SuperDave...and Demerly hasn't changed his editorial - yet. In summary, The difference is in the process for laying up. They use the same molds, apparently, but the process and materials are slightly different.


Ah, thanks.  Yeah, he ought to go change that review.    Sorry, OP. 


2009-06-24 10:17 AM
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Are you also planning to use the BT 10% off TriSports coupon (code BT-W)?

$700 for the B2 over the B12 is more than just the headset:

B2 Upgrades over Felt B12:
  • UHM Carbon fiber frame
  • Bayonet SL UHM Fork
  • Felt Bayonet Aerobar w/ Alloy extensions
  • Shimano Dura Ace drivtrain
  • Felt TTR-2 aero wheelset
Last year I was checking Ebay for slightly used TTR2 wheels and they were going for $400-600 a set.  Superdave stated on ST that the TTR2 wheels are a bit lighter and have upgraded parts (e.g bladed spokes) vs the TTR3, see below.  If you want to upgrade wheel sets at a later date seems like you can get a decent amount selling the TTR2's on the B2.


"The TTR2 wheels are similar to the TTR3.

Our exclusive 40mm rims are used on both wheels. The material and construction are the same for both rims on the TTR2 and TTR3. The TTR2 & 3 specs use the same hub shell (external and drilling) but the TTR2 has a 7075 machined rear axle and alloy freehub body along with exclusive premium low drag bearings. You are correct the spokes and skewers are different as well.

There is about a 240gm difference in the wheelset weight.

-SD "
2009-06-24 2:32 PM
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Subject: RE: Yet another "Help me choose a Tri/TT bike thread"
Thanks for the replies!

As earlier posted, I had read that bikesport Michigan review as well and initially thought the B12 and B2 frames were the same aside from the bayonet headset, turns out they use the same mold, but the B2 is a slightly better carbon, which felt calls Ultra High Modulus (UHM)  vs high modulus (HMC) for the B12.

Thanks for the info about the difference in wheels between the two felts, I had been looking at the wheels on the two bikes and they are almost visually identical, but it sounds like the TTR 2 wheels actually are a tangible upgrade.


Does anyone know if I would be able to use that 10% off coupon in store?  $370 off is nothing to disregard.


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Subject: RE: Yet another "Help me choose a Tri/TT bike thread"
bachorb - 2009-06-24 12:51 PM Orbea Ora.


Looks like a great bike, but I don't know of a LBS that carries it.
2009-06-24 3:09 PM
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Subject: RE: Yet another "Help me choose a Tri/TT bike thread"
The Felt and the Scotts fit rather differently. If one is ideal for you, chances are the other will not be.
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mmrocker13 - 2009-06-24 1:09 PM The Felt and the Scotts fit rather differently. If one is ideal for you, chances are the other will not be.


I was under this impression as well, which is why I was surprised they wheeled the Scott out when I was shopping.  Is there a particular riding style that one bike compliments over the other, or is the fit issue more due to body geometry?
2009-06-24 7:14 PM
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Scotts tend to be more for folks who have a shorter reach in proportino to their stack--i.e. shorter torso in proportion to legs.

I can't find a Felt to fit me without WAY too much tweaking--If I get one short enough for my torso, it's too short for my legs. And if I get one to fit my legs, I can't reach the bars.

Can I MAKE either of them fit? Sure. But I'd be better off on a scott. (But truthfully, I'm best on a Specialized, which is why that's what I ended up on)
2009-06-25 10:56 PM
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Subject: RE: Yet another "Help me choose a Tri/TT bike thread"
I was about to buy a felt b2 without actually riding it first... I have a 35 in inseem and a short torso, I am 6'2".

I trust the LBS when he says that it will fit with some tweaking, and I don't want to buy a bike without riding it, but the navy has me stationed in the middle of Mississippi I can't find any dealer within any reasonable distance that has these bikes actually in the store.

Is the difference between the scott and felt that large for a long legged short torso guy?


(I would just wait but he can give me a killer deal, 3500 out the door for a B2R TTR).



2009-06-26 1:30 AM
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Subject: RE: Yet another "Help me choose a Tri/TT bike thread"
I'm sure you've thought of it, but at your price range, you can get a Ultegra or possibly DA Cervelo P2 or P2C. It's true that it seems that everyone's riding it nowadays, but with that much cash on the table, you owe it to yourself to at least try out the bike that shows up the most at Kona before you take the dive.
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