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2009-12-29 8:51 AM
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Kath2163 - 2009-12-28 9:12 PM The registration on the Active.com site says that the price goes up on 1/31/10 but on the website it says 12/31/10.  Just an FYI.
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BOULDER TRI SERIES (INDIVIDUALS ONLY)
$325 (October 1, 2009-December 31, 2009)
$385 (January 1, 2010-April 30, 2010)
$450 (May 1- close)

$325 is a pretty good deal for the series.  Too bad they can't get the packet pick-up worked out so they can mail them rather than driving all the way to Boulder the day prior.  If I could pay to have it mailed, or a Denver pick-up location, I would most likely register.  But I can't tie up 3-weekends this summer.



2009-12-29 10:15 AM
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So packet pick-up is the day before for all 3 races?    I'm almost certain i would sign up for the series, but if packet pick-up is the day before for all 3 races, that might be a deal breaker for me.
2009-12-29 10:43 AM
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Day-before packet pickup was the practice/policy for 5430sports; considering the new ownership, I wouldn't assume the same would necessarily apply this year.
How does packet pickup work at IM70.3 events in other locales?  That's possibly a better indicator of how it will work in Boulder this year...

2009-12-29 11:07 AM
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from the 5430 website:

  • Packet-pick up will be on Saturday, ** from 10:00 am – 4:00 pm at the Boulder Reservoir
  • There will be no refunds.
  • There will be NO race day packet pick-up
  • I would assume that Mdot will continue the pick-up the day prior.  Most like the expo will be bigger...more $$ to be made.

    2009-12-29 11:54 AM
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    See that's a deal breaker for me.   You mean i gotta drive to Boulder the day before a sprint or oly triathlon just to get my packet?   I have no issue with the 70.3 as that's a huge race and i would expect to have to be there the day before.   But a sprint and oly?   Flat out stupid and will most likely not have me do the series for that reason.
    2009-12-29 11:57 AM
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    Indeed, that's what the site says.  I noticed that the last update there was September, and the information is almost verbatim from how Barry's team put things together previously.  And they have that all important "information subject to chage" disclaimer.
    That said, several of the other 70.3 events have no stated restrictions, although there's  a variety of pre-race schedule policies depending on which event you look at.  My hope would be they would be more flexible, esp. given how hard they push the 'green' aspect of running this particular event, and the amount of flack/pushback they must get about driving x2 for a single event...



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    2009-12-29 12:38 PM
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    "I have no issue with the 70.3 as that's a huge race and i would expect to have to be there the day before. But a sprint and oly? Flat out stupid.."


    In Ironman's defense, it's not the distance that requires packet pick-up prior to race day, it's the number of participants. Both the sprint and the Peak will have more athletes than the 70.3 - - getting 1,800 people through packet pick-up on the morning of the event would be chaos. Checking USAT cards and ID's, weighing-in clydesdales and athena's, making database changes, etc. all takes time... and race morning is already a really busy time for race staff.

    To make it work, packet pick-up would have to run from 2:30am to 5:30am, which would mean leaving home at midnight for many participants. This is assuming that everyone didn't plan to arrive for the final half-hour of packet pickup.

    As much as giving up a Saturday to go to packet pick-up stinks, it is really a necessary evil.
    2009-12-29 2:25 PM
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    darrin - 2009-12-29 11:38 AM "I have no issue with the 70.3 as that's a huge race and i would expect to have to be there the day before. But a sprint and oly? Flat out stupid.." In Ironman's defense, it's not the distance that requires packet pick-up prior to race day, it's the number of participants. Both the sprint and the Peak will have more athletes than the 70.3 - - getting 1,800 people through packet pick-up on the morning of the event would be chaos. Checking USAT cards and ID's, weighing-in clydesdales and athena's, making database changes, etc. all takes time... and race morning is already a really busy time for race staff. To make it work, packet pick-up would have to run from 2:30am to 5:30am, which would mean leaving home at midnight for many participants. This is assuming that everyone didn't plan to arrive for the final half-hour of packet pickup. As much as giving up a Saturday to go to packet pick-up stinks, it is really a necessary evil.

    This may be true but even an event as large as Bolder Boulder has figured out a way for packet pick-up to be more convenient.  Simply check a box and pick-up the packet in Aurora, etc.  I'd be willing to pay an extra 5-10 bucks to not drive 100+ miles RT.  But really, it's a popular race and they will all sell out.  packet pick-up is not going to be a priority for them. 

    2009-12-29 2:44 PM
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    The problem is that USAT requires a photo ID be shown at packet pick-up, and that only the participant can pick up their own packet. They also have other rules regarding packet pick-up to ensure that the athlete who is registered is the one that races. Running races don't have the photo ID rule.

    I'm not saying that there isn't a solution that is easier on the participant.

    With Harvest Moon, we designed a packet pickup by mail (PPBM) option, but it is really labor-intensive for the race staff reviewing paperwork, following up with athletes on missing items, assembling and mailing packets. Easily 100+ hours for a 500 person race with 150 taking advantage of PPBM.

    We had to push USAT to OK our PPBM plan, but it does require every athlete to show a photo ID on race morning in order to pick up a timing chip, which would create lines on race morning at an event the size of the Boulder races.

    For IM, having a single packet pickup the day before the event is the easiest and most efficient for them, so I'm guessing that's why they do it. Like you said, "It's a popular race and they will all sell out. packet pick-up is not going to be a priority for them."

    Also - in order to sell booth space at the expo, they need to have people actually show up the day before the race. There's also the mandatory pre-race briefing thing.

    2009-12-29 2:57 PM
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    darrin - 2009-12-29 1:44 PM The problem is that USAT requires a photo ID be shown at packet pick-up, and that only the participant can pick up their own packet. They also have other rules regarding packet pick-up to ensure that the athlete who is registered is the one that races. Running races don't have the photo ID rule. I'm not saying that there isn't a solution that is easier on the participant. With Harvest Moon, we designed a packet pickup by mail (PPBM) option, but it is really labor-intensive for the race staff reviewing paperwork, following up with athletes on missing items, assembling and mailing packets. Easily 100+ hours for a 500 person race with 150 taking advantage of PPBM. We had to push USAT to OK our PPBM plan, but it does require every athlete to show a photo ID on race morning in order to pick up a timing chip, which would create lines on race morning at an event the size of the Boulder races. For IM, having a single packet pickup the day before the event is the easiest and most efficient for them, so I'm guessing that's why they do it. Like you said, "It's a popular race and they will all sell out. packet pick-up is not going to be a priority for them." Also - in order to sell booth space at the expo, they need to have people actually show up the day before the race. There's also the mandatory pre-race briefing thing.

    I appreciate everything you RD's do Darrin!  I know pulling off these events is a lot of work.  I'm just venting a bit because...well, sometimes "we" triathletes can be hard to please. Or at least I can. I do like the way it has been handled with HM and most likely if I do a 70.3 this year that will be my choice.

    2009-12-29 3:03 PM
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    Then how about limiting the race to a select number of participants or have an option to receive your package by mail.   I don't know how much an inconvenience it is for others, but i'm not making plans to go to Boulder on the day before for packet pick-up to only have to go back the following morning.

    If that's the case, I'm out.   Too bad because i was really looking to do the series.   I'll do others more locally that i don't have to waste half a Saturday or take off from work just to get my packet.   I'd do it for a 70.3, but not a sprint or oly.


    2009-12-29 5:10 PM
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    Darrin, you RDs and your staff do a great job, and deserve more thanks for what I'm sure is often a thankless job with ridiculous hours...and by observation, you especially know how the systems work well, as well as how to work the system when it needs it.
    2009-12-29 7:26 PM
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    Personally, I'm not big fan of mandatory packet pick-up prior to race day when I race, so with our events, we offer race-day packet pick-up whenever we can. Days off are valuable! I'm also not a big fan of pre-race briefings, so we limit ours to 10 minutes in transition on race morning for those who wish to attend.

    Once a USAT sanctioned tri gets over the 1,000 participant mark, though, I think the race organizers really need to have everyone pick up prior to race morning. In the end, race directors will choose a method that's best for their event, and most of the local RD's tend to take the athlete into consideration when making these decisions.
    2009-12-30 10:57 PM
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    Alright, it's official, I'm registered. $18 in fees on active, though? Yeesh! Surprised
    2009-12-31 10:09 AM
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    So is today indeed the last day to get the cheapest price?  

    I said i wasn't doing the series, but i'd love to since alot of folks here are.   My wife told me i shouldn't not do it because of the packet pick-up situation.
    2009-12-31 10:33 AM
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    xmann1102 - 2009-12-31 9:09 AM So is today indeed the last day to get the cheapest price?  

    I would go by their website - which says 1/31 (gives me another month to think about it)



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    On the series "info page" it says the prices go up tomorrow. When you click on the registration link and it sends you to Active.com it says the prices go up 2/1/10.
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    I just registered to be safe. I would have been super pissed if the website was right and I waited only to pay the extra $60
    2009-12-31 10:06 PM
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    jmusick - 2009-12-31 6:30 PM I just registered to be safe. I would have been super pissed if the website was right and I waited only to pay the extra $60


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    Yep, My thoughts exactly!
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    2010-01-01 10:47 AM
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    I'm still holding out and waiting to decide.   Since i just moved here in July, i haven't done a Tri anywhere in Colorado.   If i don't do the Boulder series, there'll be plenty of races to chose from.


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    xmann1102 - 2010-01-01 9:47 AMI'm still holding out and waiting to decide.   Since i just moved here in July, i haven't done a Tri anywhere in Colorado.   If i don't do the Boulder series, there'll be plenty of races to chose from.
    Indeed! One of the best things about living here is you can race every weekend. It all comes down to what your favorite venue is (mines Aurora Res) and favorite RD's- I like Without Limits and the Highlands Ranch group.
    2010-01-08 2:39 PM
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    Alright, I'm in!! CO Super Newb triathlete here, and I signed up for my first marathon ever in my life (Boulder Ironman 70.3)!!! Wooo Whooo!! I've haven't raced since high school track (approx 15yrs ago or more). I have decided to do triathlon this year since I'm already involved with multi-mountain sports!! I know they're completely different and won't help me any, but I'm still going to race!! Just a test of mental and physical strength and endurance I guess!! This is my first week of training, and I know I haven't even scratched the surface of difficulty yet. I'm getting a very small taste of what I'm getting myself into, and it's rough!!

    Just wanted to say hi, and I'll see you all at the finish line!! (Hopefully) Laughing  Ha Haaa!!!

    Cheers!!

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    2010-01-08 4:48 PM
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    islandertek - 2010-01-08 1:39 PM I signed up for my first marathon ever in my life (Boulder Ironman 70.3)!!!



    You signed up for a half ironman (HIM), not a marathon (mary). ;-

    HIM = 1.2mile swim + 56 mile bike + 13.1mile run
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    edited to add:   Good luck though   hopefully I'll be able to find you before, during, or after the race and say hi.

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    Went and checked out the course yesterday!!!!! I know the swim will be difficult, the run didn't look too bad (relatively flat for the area from what I noticed), but all that is still stuck in my head is the HILLS!!! The ride definitely is no joke!! Cry Big, intimidating, long, HILLS!! I feel for the outta-townerz who have to acclimate as well as get a taste of our front range rolling hills for the first time!! Ha Haaa!! Check it out!! It's going to be fun!!

    Cheers!!

    -Nick


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