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2009-10-08 4:35 PM
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Subject: RE: good books on running....want to improve speed in off-season
trix - 2009-10-08 8:43 AM

but i still feel like the moment i want to do .5 mile at race pace its not that comfy so i prefer z2.



This. Right here. That's the only answer you need. (Other than scouts absolutely dead on one liner.)

I don't remember if it was here or on ST that we were debating genetics and performance (I think it was here, I remember Daremo getting a little heated), and it was brought up that most people will never hit their genetic limit because they never push themselves much out of their comfort zone.

I remember swim workouts where I threw up in the gutter. Run workouts where I yakked all over my knees because I was curled up in a ball of pain after hill repeats before an Indian run. Bike workouts where I had to be helped off because I was too cramped in the legs to move.

Now admittedly, those are the extremes. But there were plenty of workouts where I hurt. A lot. It wasn't fun.

But, I got faster.

John


2009-10-08 4:49 PM
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Subject: RE: good books on running....want to improve speed in off-season
tkd.teacher - 2009-10-08 4:35 PM
trix - 2009-10-08 8:43 AM

but i still feel like the moment i want to do .5 mile at race pace its not that comfy so i prefer z2.



This. Right here. That's the only answer you need. (Other than scouts absolutely dead on one liner.)

I don't remember if it was here or on ST that we were debating genetics and performance (I think it was here, I remember Daremo getting a little heated), and it was brought up that most people will never hit their genetic limit because they never push themselves much out of their comfort zone.

I remember swim workouts where I threw up in the gutter. Run workouts where I yakked all over my knees because I was curled up in a ball of pain after hill repeats before an Indian run. Bike workouts where I had to be helped off because I was too cramped in the legs to move.

Now admittedly, those are the extremes. But there were plenty of workouts where I hurt. A lot. It wasn't fun.

But, I got faster.

John


thanks john, thing is i am willing to throw up in the gutter or all over my knees.  its not comfy like i said but at the same time alot and i mean alot of responses always say

RUN MORE....well i have been trying to do just this.  that is one of the reasons for the books, i want to see what they say etc etc.

i have never done running swimming biking.  my only sport before has been tennis that is a bit different then endurance events. 

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2009-10-08 4:59 PM
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Subject: RE: good books on running....want to improve speed in off-season
trix - 2009-10-08 9:08 AM

Scout7 - 2009-10-08 8:46 AM

I'll reveal the secret:

Run lots, mostly easy, sometimes hard.

You're welcome.



trust me i have discovered this secret already, i have learned that by actually running 6-8 miles at easy pace my 5k pace will still drop like a rock.

but problem is i am mainly running slow. i almost never ever run fast unless its race. ...

I tend to get into a rut about not pushing myself too. I've discovered a few situations, outside of racing, where working harder seems to happen more naturally for me.

- running with other, faster runners. Similar to racing, but cheaper.
- running on a track. Good quality surface and steady pace feedback with a simple watch.
- running on a treadmill. Warm up good, punch up the pace and hang on. Works for intervals too.
2009-10-08 8:35 PM
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Subject: RE: good books on running....want to improve speed in off-season
tkd.teacher - 2009-10-08 5:35 PM I don't remember if it was here or on ST that we were debating genetics and performance (I think it was here, I remember Daremo getting a little heated), and it was brought up that most people will never hit their genetic limit because they never push themselves much out of their comfort zone.


What?  Me, heated??  Never!

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2009-10-09 11:55 AM
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Subject: RE: good books on running....want to improve speed in off-season
Daremo - 2009-10-08 6:35 PM
tkd.teacher - 2009-10-08 5:35 PM I don't remember if it was here or on ST that we were debating genetics and performance (I think it was here, I remember Daremo getting a little heated), and it was brought up that most people will never hit their genetic limit because they never push themselves much out of their comfort zone.


What?  Me, heated??  Never!

Tongue out


Well, that's true enough I suppose...

so whats the term when someone gets into something enough that you could put a pot on their head and brew tea?  Yell

John
2009-10-09 12:07 PM
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Subject: RE: good books on running....want to improve speed in off-season
X2 on the finding someone fast to run with once in a while.  A couple years ago I had been stuck at an 8:10 5K pace for AGES and what brought it down was a friend of mine pacing me to a 7:55 or so during a tempo run.  Obviously not something you want to do all the time or even on a regular basis, but great for a push if you've plateaued.  (Plus having company makes you forget how hard you're working.)

Sad thing was, my friend was chatting (obviously not expecting me to respond) the entire time, as her 5K pace is 6:30-6:45.   LOL!   Luckily I found the talk distracting (in a good way) rather than annoying.


2009-10-09 12:35 PM
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Subject: RE: good books on running....want to improve speed in off-season

tkd.teacher - 2009-10-09 12:55 PM
Daremo - 2009-10-08 6:35 PM
tkd.teacher - 2009-10-08 5:35 PM I don't remember if it was here or on ST that we were debating genetics and performance (I think it was here, I remember Daremo getting a little heated), and it was brought up that most people will never hit their genetic limit because they never push themselves much out of their comfort zone.


What?  Me, heated??  Never!

Tongue out


Well, that's true enough I suppose...

so whats the term when someone gets into something enough that you could put a pot on their head and brew tea?  Yell

John

I believe the term you are looking for is:

"Pulling a Rick."

2009-10-09 12:53 PM
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Subject: RE: good books on running....want to improve speed in off-season
well i ran 11.5 yesterday my longest run thus for in prep for HIM.

i know the race will kick my butt hard.  but hey should be fun. 
2009-10-09 12:59 PM
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tkd.teacher - 2009-10-09 12:55 PM  Well, that's true enough I suppose...

so whats the term when someone gets into something enough that you could put a pot on their head and brew tea?  Yell

John


I prefer "Enthusiastic" or pehaps even "Passionate."
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