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2010-02-05 7:51 AM
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Subject: RE: I am getting a wild set up for my aero bars
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pga_mike - 2010-01-30 9:19 PM I am thinking about keeping the elbow pads low and raising up the handles about eye-high.

Talk me out of it!


Go for it.  I recall hearing an episode of tri-talk (the podcast) where he reported a wind tunnel study.  I can't remember the details (so beware...) but the short version is that they did wind tunnel tests in three positions -- flat, 'medium', and 'angled up considerably' (maybe 'eye-high'?) The best position was the last.  But medium was worst.  There was a catch somewhere but I can't remember what it was.  Anybody recall?


I heard the same podcast.  Go for it and let us know how it goes. 


2010-02-05 1:28 PM
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I think it's a bad idea.....first off raising your hands that high brings into play a ton of handling issues. TT bikes are already twitch enough as it is, that is just downright dangerous.

Find a different fitter, obviously the one you are using is not capable of processing what you are telling him and then translating it to the fit. Second work on your flexibility so you can maintain an aero position without pain. Third, insert some spacers and raise your front end up, find some old J bend aero bars with adjustble aero extensions and forearm pads and get a good comfortable fit.

 

2010-02-05 2:26 PM
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Rocket Man - 2010-02-05 2:28 PM

I think it's a bad idea.....first off raising your hands that high brings into play a ton of handling issues. TT bikes are already twitch enough as it is, that is just downright dangerous.

Find a different fitter, obviously the one you are using is not capable of processing what you are telling him and then translating it to the fit. Second work on your flexibility so you can maintain an aero position without pain. Third, insert some spacers and raise your front end up, find some old J bend aero bars with adjustble aero extensions and forearm pads and get a good comfortable fit.

 



Out of curiosity where are you getting the info to base statements like "work on your flexibility" (there are MANY more likely reasons he's unable to stay in aero than flexibility) and "insert spacers."
I don't know that throwing up random comments on how his position "might" be helped is any better than what he's already doing.

I might have just missed something... but I don't think it was in this thread.
2010-02-05 4:22 PM
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Subject: RE: I am getting a wild set up for my aero bars
Rocket Man - 2010-02-05 1:28 PM

I think it's a bad idea.....first off raising your hands that high brings into play a ton of handling issues. TT bikes are already twitch enough as it is, that is just downright dangerous.

Find a different fitter, obviously the one you are using is not capable of processing what you are telling him and then translating it to the fit. Second work on your flexibility so you can maintain an aero position without pain. Third, insert some spacers and raise your front end up, find some old J bend aero bars with adjustble aero extensions and forearm pads and get a good comfortable fit.

 


A) I don't steer with my hands, I steer with my lean.
B) I don't mind falling
C) I don't mind failing
D) I have been to 3 fitters
E) I have spacers and my pads are on the widest possible setting
F) I have rediculously flexible shoulders
G) I am willing to try this as an experiment, and I am willing to go back to a more traditional set up, too
2010-02-05 5:03 PM
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pga_mike - 2010-02-05 5:22 PM
Rocket Man - 2010-02-05 1:28 PM

I think it's a bad idea.....first off raising your hands that high brings into play a ton of handling issues. TT bikes are already twitch enough as it is, that is just downright dangerous.

Find a different fitter, obviously the one you are using is not capable of processing what you are telling him and then translating it to the fit. Second work on your flexibility so you can maintain an aero position without pain. Third, insert some spacers and raise your front end up, find some old J bend aero bars with adjustble aero extensions and forearm pads and get a good comfortable fit.

 


A) I don't steer with my hands, I steer with my lean.
B) I don't mind falling
C) I don't mind failing
D) I have been to 3 fitters
E) I have spacers and my pads are on the widest possible setting
F) I have rediculously flexible shoulders
G) I am willing to try this as an experiment, and I am willing to go back to a more traditional set up, too

A) Fair enough but it is still unstable

B)Be careful!

C)It's not about failing as much as it is about you hurting yourself.

D)Why do you STILL have such a bad fit then? I am really curious

E)Do you have a picture of your current position?

F)It's is more about lower back flexibility than shoulders

G) I am not trying to dog you out or anything. We see people on a pretty regular basis that have bad fits because they are more concerned with "looking aero" or "getting aggressive" than being comfortable.

 

Once again this is where the internet fails to capture the nuances of the spoken word. Like I said before I am not trying to dog you out on your choice to try this position, my fear is that you are either going to wreck yourself or someone else and it isn't going to be pretty. By your own admission earlier in the thread you said that you had crashed a few times already....if you are crashing with a "normal" position, how do you think a much more unorthodox position that is much more unstable is going to work?

Good luck with whatever you do, but my final say on the matter is that unless you have some sort of serious biomechanical reason (i.e. old injury or lack of range of motion) then there is really no reason that you shouldn't ber able to get a good comfortable stable fit on your bike. Maybe you bike is the wrong size? Just a thought.

2010-02-05 5:20 PM
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FWIW i tried this position on a flat open road (see so remote i saw one car in a 12 hour day)./

i had to have my hands touching my chin for it to be faster. At that point i might as well have been riding no handed, it was teh most unstable position i have ever been in and i consider myself a good bike handler.


2010-02-11 2:26 PM
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Resurrection!

So how'd it go? UPDATES man! Did you live?
2010-02-11 2:39 PM
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Leegoocrap - 2010-02-11 1:26 PM

Resurrection!

So how'd it go? UPDATES man! Did you live?


i was just looking for this thread to ask that!!
2010-02-11 2:43 PM
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newbz - 2010-02-11 3:39 PM
Leegoocrap - 2010-02-11 1:26 PM Resurrection!

So how'd it go? UPDATES man! Did you live?
i was just looking for this thread to ask that!!


Oddly enough, this position has been all the rage "over there" the last few days... noticed that too?
2010-02-11 2:45 PM
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haha yeah.

and same as here, i know about 2 people that have actually tested it, and how hard it is to nail down a faster position that way (that tiny window where it actually works)

2010-02-11 8:39 PM
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so whats the word?


2010-02-11 8:44 PM
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The word is, I've been stuck in my frigging house with 44" of snow in the last 6 days.  I live off of a small road on a smaller road that has not seen a plow.

I have been riding in my trainer, keeping my hands well above my traditionally set up aerobars.  It feels great.

The fitter that I last used has their shop about 1 mile down a dirt road.  I have not ventured there.
2010-02-12 7:10 AM
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pga_mike - 2010-02-11 9:44 PM The word is, I've been stuck in my frigging house with 44" of snow in the last 6 days.  I live off of a small road on a smaller road that has not seen a plow.

I have been riding in my trainer, keeping my hands well above my traditionally set up aerobars.  It feels great.

The fitter that I last used has their shop about 1 mile down a dirt road.  I have not ventured there.


no excuses Mike.

Snow shoveling is an acceptable form of "weightlifting" if it gets you to the fitters.
Or you could put some Chains on the Tri bike tires!
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