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 2010-05-22 2:09 AM in reply to: #2872827 |
Veteran  732    Pittsburgh, PA |  Subject: RE: It's not the machine, it's the motorThe original post was very cool & inspirational. It reminds me: just because I have an entry-level bike, doesn't mean I can't improve and be competitive! |
| 2010-05-22 5:18 AM in reply to: #2875320 |
Veteran 242 | Subject: RE: It's not the machine, it's the motor chayes - 2010-05-22 3:09 AM The original post was very cool & inspirational. It reminds me: just because I have an entry-level bike, doesn't mean I can't improve and be competitive! I agree 100%! I can not afford a $1500.00 entry level TT bike let alone a $5000.00 one. But being a Beginning Triathlete I do have the inspiration that my $700.00 entry level road bike (which just so happens to be an aluminum Felt F-95) may get me through my personnal goals that I have set for myself. I wish I had some of the latest and greatest, and I drool everytime I see the porn that is provided, but reality is reality and at the very least I know that maybe someday I can podium with the "lesser" equipment that I have. I really think the OP was just trying to inspire some of us "Beginners" and not debate whether or not equipment will make you faster or that it is only the engine that wins races..... Edited by trisagain 2010-05-22 5:19 AM |
| 2010-05-22 7:41 AM in reply to: #2872827 |
Champion 6503  NOVA - Ironic for an Endurance Athlete | Subject: RE: It's not the machine, it's the motor leftrunner - 2010-05-21 1:23 AM Just had a nice conversation with the fitness director and fellow preschool parent at our local YMCA. She was 3rd in her AG 30-34 at IM Wisconsin, and did a sub 12 hour IM at KONA in 2009. She rides a $1200 aluminum entry level FELT Tri Bike. All original equipment. Just reminded me that you can be very good without the latest and greatest equipment. I need to work on my motor for a very long time before I worry about getting new equipment. Felt DOES make the BEST entry level bikes out there. I ride an S22. They come with decent aero wheels and a nice aero frame. 99% of us would be better off training more and worrying less about the level of our bikes. But those high end bikes are sooooo cool. Edited by pga_mike 2010-05-22 7:43 AM |
| 2010-05-22 9:29 AM in reply to: #2872827 |
Champion 5575 Butler | Subject: RE: It's not the machine, it's the motor Wish I would have found this thread sooner and popped some corn. I definately agree it is more about the engine than the machine but both engine being equal obviously the lighter more aero bike will win (theortically). Personally, I went from a 300 heavy road bike to a low end tribike and did not any real significant gains. Now if I threw $2k ZIPPS on it and rode 100 miles I might pick up 10 to 15 minutes but IMO that is not work $2K. |
| 2010-05-22 9:40 AM in reply to: #2875199 |
Master 2356 Westlake Village , Ca. | Subject: RE: It's not the machine, it's the motor AdventureBear - 2010-05-21 7:20 PM Fastyellow - 2010-05-21 12:02 PM When you start your own thread and stop hijacking this onetvmendoza - 2010-05-21 10:58 AM then that would not be the point of this tread.  Ah, ok....so at what point in the engine's development does equipment become a factor? If ever? And at what point is the equipment overkill? Is there a price point? Is a $2k bike ok but a $3K bike ridiculous? Or is it $5K? What? How am I hijacking the thread? I have not been off topic once. The title of the thread is "It's not the machine, it's the motor" Every comment I have made has been to that EXACT topic. Just because I don't take some inspirational message away from the OP doesn't mean that I'm off topic. I'm just sick of people who think that just because someone has nice equipment and isn't Craig Alexander that they should have invested in other things first or are a poser in some way. Somehow it is more "honorable" or whatever word you wanna use to stick with inferior equipment just because you are not going for the win. The logic is lame and flawed and that needs to be pointed out. |
| 2010-05-22 12:10 PM in reply to: #2874924 |
Veteran 812 | Subject: RE: It's not the machine, it's the motor zionvier - Now, hand both of them $10k and say, invest this to make your race times faster. Person 1 takes it and buys the newest fanciest stuff, $8k tri bike, aero helmet, wetsuit, etc. Person 2 takes it and gets some coaches, nutritionists, personal trainers, etc (ie. invests in the engine). In one week they race again. I think we'd all agree person 1 is favored to win. I'd say that racing a week after spending $10k on new triathlete gear, you're most likely to do this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMiDwMZO0SU :-) |
| 2010-05-22 12:20 PM in reply to: #2875334 |
Veteran 812 | Subject: RE: It's not the machine, it's the motor trisagain - I can not afford a $1500.00 entry level TT bike let alone a $5000.00 one. But being a Beginning Triathlete I do have the inspiration that my $700.00 entry level road bike (which just so happens to be an aluminum Felt F-95) may get me through my personnal goals that I have set for myself. A good reminder. We're all talking about a $1200 bike because that's what was brought up as an example. But personally speaking, I'm using a tri bike I bought on craigslist for $550. There is a slightly larger difference between a $700 road bike and a $5000 super TT bike. But still, the vast amount of the performance is defined by the engine and fit. I too lust after new carbon frames. But, on the other side, there is an extra bit of fun to pass riders when their gear costs 5-10x as much as yours. |
| 2010-05-22 2:34 PM in reply to: #2872827 |
Pro 4360 Baton Rouge area | Subject: RE: It's not the machine, it's the motor Wow fun thread! As a guy who rides an 11 yr old Tequilo with various parts built for less than $800 I am heartened to hear the OP's statement. I am working thru Jorge's training program but doubt I will be cruising 22mph at my next Tri this year or next. But I do plan on eventually (next year probably) putting down around $2k for a slightly used bike someday. I may not be any faster but I will have a nice new toy that I will be riding which will make me happy. Sometimes it is about the motor but in a different way then what some expect. |
| 2010-05-22 3:15 PM in reply to: #2872827 |
Master 3127 Sunny Southern Cal | Subject: RE: It's not the machine, it's the motor About the only way this thread could get any better is if Johan Bruyneel were to join in and call somebody a self-appointed heckler. Seriously, though, I love hearing about people who are all about substance and not the bling. Good for her. |
| 2010-05-22 3:29 PM in reply to: #2875334 |
| Master 2460 | Subject: RE: It's not the machine, it's the motor trisagain - 2010-05-22 5:18 AM chayes - 2010-05-22 3:09 AM The original post was very cool & inspirational. It reminds me: just because I have an entry-level bike, doesn't mean I can't improve and be competitive! I agree 100%! I can not afford a $1500.00 entry level TT bike let alone a $5000.00 one. But being a Beginning Triathlete I do have the inspiration that my $700.00 entry level road bike (which just so happens to be an aluminum Felt F-95) may get me through my personnal goals that I have set for myself. I wish I had some of the latest and greatest, and I drool everytime I see the porn that is provided, but reality is reality and at the very least I know that maybe someday I can podium with the "lesser" equipment that I have. I really think the OP was just trying to inspire some of us "Beginners" and not debate whether or not equipment will make you faster or that it is only the engine that wins races..... Your $700 road bike costs more than my Giant Defy 3 road bike, and my bike is definitely NOT the limiting factor. You can win triathlons outright on today's intro level roadbike. I also have a Cervelo P2C ($$$$), and guess what? In the non-aero position, I'm essentially the same speed on both. The difference is so trivial that I can't even consider it significant in any way. Edited by agarose2000 2010-05-22 3:29 PM |
| 2010-05-22 4:11 PM in reply to: #2875567 |
| Subject: RE: It's not the machine, it's the motor mrcurtain - 2010-05-22 8:10 AM zionvier - Now, hand both of them $10k and say, invest this to make your race times faster. Person 1 takes it and buys the newest fanciest stuff, $8k tri bike, aero helmet, wetsuit, etc. Person 2 takes it and gets some coaches, nutritionists, personal trainers, etc (ie. invests in the engine). In one week they race again. I think we'd all agree person 1 is favored to win. I'd say that racing a week after spending $10k on new triathlete gear, you're most likely to do this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMiDwMZO0SU :-) Holy crap that was hilarious...too bad he didn't leave it on that way during the run too. |
| 2010-05-22 5:10 PM in reply to: #2872827 |
Extreme Veteran 821 | Subject: RE: It's not the machine, it's the motor |
| 2010-05-22 10:30 PM in reply to: #2872827 |
Member 139 Athens | Subject: RE: It's not the machine, it's the motor I took this as a basically as resource management advice intended for newer triathletes. It's certainly appropriate advice for someone where I am in this process. I have finite time and money to spend, with some opportunity to trade one for the other. I expect I'll see more results in both speed and general fitness applicable to all the disciplines by spending resources on training, nutrition and recovery management, and (once I have the money to spend) coaching, than I would from buying a faster bike. |
| 2010-05-22 11:32 PM in reply to: #2872827 |
Extreme Veteran 521 Coldstream ,BC | Subject: RE: It's not the machine, it's the motor |
| 2010-05-22 11:56 PM in reply to: #2876167 |
| Expert 701 Boise | Subject: RE: It's not the machine, it's the motor wide awake - 2010-05-22 11:32 PM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwecwUiHA2s ^^ I think that this video speaks volumes for this thread ^^ Wow sums it up well. Seriously I think the point was that she's a BAMF and rides a not so BA bike and could stomp on most people on this board. So her bike isn't that aero and she could save a few seconds by getting a nicer bike and wheels but that's not the point IMO. A friend told me about his friend's wife who is a seriously good triathlete. She trains in hilly Reno by PULLING HER KIDS in a buggy behind her road bike for at least 20 mi TWICE a day to train. That's one way to upgrade your motor for sure. My friend is a Cat 2 racer and can't stay with her if she wants to drop him, he's gone. |
| 2010-05-23 12:46 AM in reply to: #2875567 |
Regular 73 Odessa | Subject: RE: It's not the machine, it's the motor mrcurtain - 2010-05-22 12:10 PM zionvier - Now, hand both of them $10k and say, invest this to make your race times faster. Person 1 takes it and buys the newest fanciest stuff, $8k tri bike, aero helmet, wetsuit, etc. Person 2 takes it and gets some coaches, nutritionists, personal trainers, etc (ie. invests in the engine). In one week they race again. I think we'd all agree person 1 is favored to win. I'd say that racing a week after spending $10k on new triathlete gear, you're most likely to do this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMiDwMZO0SU :-) Holy... did you just watch the 40 minute workout vid part 2 to the side? Oops sorry, got sidetracked.../ back on subject. |
| 2010-05-23 4:58 PM in reply to: #2875386 |
Pro 5169 Burbs | Subject: RE: It's not the machine, it's the motor pga_mike - 2010-05-22 8:41 AM leftrunner - 2010-05-21 1:23 AM Just had a nice conversation with the fitness director and fellow preschool parent at our local YMCA. She was 3rd in her AG 30-34 at IM Wisconsin, and did a sub 12 hour IM at KONA in 2009. She rides a $1200 aluminum entry level FELT Tri Bike. All original equipment. Just reminded me that you can be very good without the latest and greatest equipment. I need to work on my motor for a very long time before I worry about getting new equipment. Felt DOES make the BEST entry level bikes out there. I ride an S22. They come with decent aero wheels and a nice aero frame. 99% of us would be better off training more and worrying less about the level of our bikes. But those high end bikes are sooooo cool. I also ride an S22 --- I love that bike ! |
| 2010-05-24 2:38 PM in reply to: #2872827 |
| 118 | Subject: RE: It's not the machine, it's the motor I like the aerodynamics of the P4 in this pic:  |
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