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2010-10-15 2:38 PM
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When I see a mountain of toys on the deck and see 4 or 5 people standing around talking about swimming but not actually doing any swimming, I know I've stumbled upon tris.  Oh, and the mankinis.


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H20 Killer - 2010-10-15 3:38 PM When I see a mountain of toys on the deck and see 4 or 5 people standing around talking about swimming but not actually doing any swimming, I know I've stumbled upon tris.  Oh, and the mankinis.


When I bike or run upon people who go out and bike 50+ miles and then go out and run 10 miles at a 7:00 mile, after having swam 3000m in the morning, i know i have stumbled up triathletes
2010-10-15 2:56 PM
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as a newb swimmer I always look over to the swimmer next to me doing their flip turns..I want to learn so that I can feel like a real swimmer....I know doing a flip turn doesn't make you a real swimmer but they just look so cool..makes everything look more fluid.

Two weeks to learn flip turns?? hmmmm.maybe I will try. 
2010-10-15 3:07 PM
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I am currently taking swim lessons once a week since I have no swim background what so ever. My instructor is making me learn flip turns because she wants me to be really comfortable in the water. learning these is really hard for me and I loose my sense of direction easily and her point is that should i get knocked under etc in OW I hopefully wont panic as much- Totally off the thread I know. I'd be really proud if someone saw me swim and asked if I was a triathlete - still feels weird to even use the word to describe myself!! They sure as heck wouldn't mistake me for a real "swimmer" - yet!
2010-10-15 3:11 PM
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3leftys - 2010-10-15 12:56 PM as a newb swimmer I always look over to the swimmer next to me doing their flip turns..I want to learn so that I can feel like a real swimmer....I know doing a flip turn doesn't make you a real swimmer but they just look so cool..makes everything look more fluid.

Two weeks to learn flip turns?? hmmmm.maybe I will try. 


It's easy enough to learn. Scroll to the bottom of this post:

http://swicyclorun.blogspot.com/2010/10/uber-swim-post-oh-this-is-fun-one.html

I do flip turns, but sometimes get tired and don't. I would like to eventually do them well and almost all the time for consistency sake. I'm not an elegant swimmer, but I'm getting better with every session. 
 
2010-10-15 3:21 PM
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smilford - 2010-10-15 9:35 AM my sweet tan lines give me away at the pool


Dead giveaway...you can't hide the tan lines after a summer of riding in Texas! 

I don't understand the big deal of the stereotypes.  Triathlon draws a lot of people who don't come from a swimming background, and many aren't as polished in the pool as experienced swimmers.  At least they're in the pool trying to get better!


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I never swam competitively and only learned flip turns a few years back after I started swimming for triathlons.  Yes...it can be done...I've demonstrated every possible flip turn misfire and ingested several hundred gallons of water through my nose, but I did survive the learning process. 
2010-10-15 3:38 PM
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HATERS!!!!

Don't remember who said it but how are we talking about this AGAIN!?
2010-10-15 3:56 PM
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tjfry - 2010-10-15 11:29 AM ...Turns...not even worth arguing to me. 99% of those who can do an effective flip turn will do one.


I guess I'm the 1%.  I was a competitive swimmer in year's past and can do a mean flip-turn.  However- I almost never do when training as I get water deep in my ear when I do them. 

My last sprint tri was a pool swim so I used wax earplugs and did the flips.  I've done 250,000 flip turns in my life; I don't need to practice them any more. 
2010-10-15 4:06 PM
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tjfry - 2010-10-15 11:29 AM ...Turns...not even worth arguing to me. 99% of those who can do an effective flip turn will do one.


I guess I'm the 1%.  I was a competitive swimmer in year's past and can do a mean flip-turn.  However- I almost never do when training as I get water deep in my ear when I do them. 

My last sprint tri was a pool swim so I used wax earplugs and did the flips.  I've done 250,000 flip turns in my life; I don't need to practice them any more. 


I am with you.  It is like an FU to my coach who forced me to do them.

I never flip.  I am no longer a fan of the Hypoxia.
2010-10-15 4:10 PM
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flip18436572 - 2010-10-14 9:49 AM Why is not doing flip turns giving it away?  I swim with an IM triathlete and she does flip turns at all of her workouts.


Chances are she swam comptetively at one point. 

People who "get into" swimming just for triathlons will swim long sets, but don't know how to do flip turns, and generally won't learn, as you don't really need them during OWS.

I CAN do flip turns (swam competetively as a kid) but generally DON'T unless I'm doing a set just to see how fast I can do them.


Nope, she was a runner, and was not much of a swimmer. 

I used to do flip turns, but don't at all anymore.


2010-10-15 4:13 PM
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tjfry - 2010-10-15 11:29 AM ...Turns...not even worth arguing to me. 99% of those who can do an effective flip turn will do one.


I guess I'm the 1%.  I was a competitive swimmer in year's past and can do a mean flip-turn.  However- I almost never do when training as I get water deep in my ear when I do them. 

My last sprint tri was a pool swim so I used wax earplugs and did the flips.  I've done 250,000 flip turns in my life; I don't need to practice them any more. 


I am with you.  It is like an FU to my coach who forced me to do them.

I never flip.  I am no longer a fan of the Hypoxia.


Hrm. I guess there are 997 swimmers that still flip, as I don't flip turn much anymore either.

But, I guess according to H20 Killer that means we aren't "real" swimmers anymore...

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2010-10-15 4:23 PM
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tkd.teacher - 2010-10-15 4:13 PM But, I guess according to H20 Killer that means we aren't "real" swimmers anymore...

John


Give the snarkiness a rest.  We are entitled to our opinions. To me, unbroken swimming means learning how to do flip turns.  If you don't want to do them, fine.   The best swimmers and triathletes do flip turns and there's no one in their right mind who can counter that.  Do you need to do flip turns to finish the swim of a tri?  Absolutely not.
2010-10-15 4:30 PM
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To me, swimming is the "necessary evil" when it comes to triathlons.


Funny, I feel the same way about running...


I'd rather be a good runner as opposed to a good swimmer because in most distance races a good runner will almost always make up any time gains the good swimmer has built up. Maybe when my knees give out I will quit running and start doing flip turns so I will look like a "real" swimmer!
2010-10-15 4:56 PM
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I told a running pal the other day that satan created that dreadful sport.  He replied, "yeah, right after he got sick of swimming."  Had to give him credit for that.
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AddysDaddy - 2010-10-15 4:06 PM
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tjfry - 2010-10-15 11:29 AM ...Turns...not even worth arguing to me. 99% of those who can do an effective flip turn will do one.


I guess I'm the 1%.  I was a competitive swimmer in year's past and can do a mean flip-turn.  However- I almost never do when training as I get water deep in my ear when I do them. 

My last sprint tri was a pool swim so I used wax earplugs and did the flips.  I've done 250,000 flip turns in my life; I don't need to practice them any more. 


I am with you.  It is like an FU to my coach who forced me to do them.

I never flip.  I am no longer a fan of the Hypoxia.


Not passing judgement. Just stating my observations...


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H20 Killer - 2010-10-15 5:23 PM
tkd.teacher - 2010-10-15 4:13 PM But, I guess according to H20 Killer that means we aren't "real" swimmers anymore...

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Give the snarkiness a rest.  We are entitled to our opinions. To me, unbroken swimming means learning how to do flip turns.  If you don't want to do them, fine.   The best swimmers and triathletes do flip turns and there's no one in their right mind who can counter that.  Do you need to do flip turns to finish the swim of a tri?  Absolutely not.


Completely disagree with you... how can you say that the best triathletes do flip turns....."hey I am a pro triathlete and I have a OWS, i better go practice my pointless flip turn"  You need to put your competitive swimming ego to bed, this a site for triathlons that include swimming, BIKING AND RUNNING
2010-10-15 5:25 PM
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The Dude14 - 2010-10-15 3:16 PM
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tkd.teacher - 2010-10-15 4:13 PM But, I guess according to H20 Killer that means we aren't "real" swimmers anymore...

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Give the snarkiness a rest.  We are entitled to our opinions. To me, unbroken swimming means learning how to do flip turns.  If you don't want to do them, fine.   The best swimmers and triathletes do flip turns and there's no one in their right mind who can counter that.  Do you need to do flip turns to finish the swim of a tri?  Absolutely not.


Completely disagree with you... how can you say that the best triathletes do flip turns....."hey I am a pro triathlete and I have a OWS, i better go practice my pointless flip turn"  You need to put your competitive swimming ego to bed, this a site for triathlons that include swimming, BIKING AND RUNNING


Well, Macca does flip turns (he's been to our masters).  Mirinda does flip turns (it's on youtube, her race with... ?)  Macca and Mirinda won the world championships.  So, yes.  The best triathletes (IM course at least as of 10/10) do flip turns

I will bet a week's pay (never to be paid, of course), that every single triathlete with a pro card as of today does flip turns in swim training. 

ETA - doesn't mean *you* (the general you) are a "bad" triathlete.  People take this too personally.  But the "best"?  Gotta agree with waterkiller

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2010-10-15 5:35 PM
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ChrisM - 2010-10-15 6:25 PM

The Dude14 - 2010-10-15 3:16 PM
H20 Killer - 2010-10-15 5:23 PM
tkd.teacher - 2010-10-15 4:13 PM But, I guess according to H20 Killer that means we aren't "real" swimmers anymore...

John


Give the snarkiness a rest.  We are entitled to our opinions. To me, unbroken swimming means learning how to do flip turns.  If you don't want to do them, fine.   The best swimmers and triathletes do flip turns and there's no one in their right mind who can counter that.  Do you need to do flip turns to finish the swim of a tri?  Absolutely not.


Completely disagree with you... how can you say that the best triathletes do flip turns....."hey I am a pro triathlete and I have a OWS, i better go practice my pointless flip turn"  You need to put your competitive swimming ego to bed, this a site for triathlons that include swimming, BIKING AND RUNNING


Well, Macca does flip turns (he's been to our masters).  Mirinda does flip turns (it's on youtube, her race with... ?)  Macca and Mirinda won the world championships.  So, yes.  The best triathletes (IM course at least as of 10/10) do flip turns

I will bet a week's pay (never to be paid, of course), that every single triathlete with a pro card as of today does flip turns in swim training. 

ETA - doesn't mean *you* (the general you) are a "bad" triathlete.  People take this too personally.  But the "best"?  Gotta agree with waterkiller


Umm, maybe you all can take this over to Slowtwitch. This is supposed to be the fun site for the beginners. Just saying...
2010-10-15 5:37 PM
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nm, for the love of god and all that is holy....  nm



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I do corkscrew turns.


2010-10-15 5:41 PM
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I can't do flip turns, but I figure that without the extra propulsion from the wall I'm actually swimming more strokes which is better in OWS where you don't have the wall to push off of. 
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mll1605 - 2010-10-15 3:41 PM I can't do flip turns, but I figure that without the extra propulsion from the wall I'm actually swimming more strokes which is better in OWS where you don't have the wall to push off of. 


Wait a minute....so you turn around and DON'T push off the wall?

That's hardcore!
2010-10-15 5:58 PM
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I always have mixed feelings when this thread comes up.   I can do them.  I'm decent enough in open water without doing them in practice.  I probably should do them (and only do them for sprint sets).  I just never get around to building up and implementing them full time.

Sadly, I only tend to do flip turns while doing backstroke.  No, not the turns as done today (cheaters).  I'm talking about the true backflip turns as done back in the stone ages. For those of you that have no clue - this just means I'm ancient.

I guess the real question is if I did actually make the effort to make the switch, how much faster an open water swimmer will it make me?
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ChrisM - 2010-10-15 6:25 PM
The Dude14 - 2010-10-15 3:16 PM
H20 Killer - 2010-10-15 5:23 PM
tkd.teacher - 2010-10-15 4:13 PM But, I guess according to H20 Killer that means we aren't "real" swimmers anymore...

John


Give the snarkiness a rest.  We are entitled to our opinions. To me, unbroken swimming means learning how to do flip turns.  If you don't want to do them, fine.   The best swimmers and triathletes do flip turns and there's no one in their right mind who can counter that.  Do you need to do flip turns to finish the swim of a tri?  Absolutely not.


Completely disagree with you... how can you say that the best triathletes do flip turns....."hey I am a pro triathlete and I have a OWS, i better go practice my pointless flip turn"  You need to put your competitive swimming ego to bed, this a site for triathlons that include swimming, BIKING AND RUNNING


Well, Macca does flip turns (he's been to our masters).  Mirinda does flip turns (it's on youtube, her race with... ?)  Macca and Mirinda won the world championships.  So, yes.  The best triathletes (IM course at least as of 10/10) do flip turns

I will bet a week's pay (never to be paid, of course), that every single triathlete with a pro card as of today does flip turns in swim training. 

ETA - doesn't mean *you* (the general you) are a "bad" triathlete.  People take this too personally.  But the "best"?  Gotta agree with waterkiller


By no means am i trying to get nasty or mean.  I was just disagreeing with what H20Killer said.  As i said before i do flip turns when doing sprint sets. But i feel that just because someone doesnt do flip turns doesnt make them faster or slower, or better or worse than the other person swimming next to them.  If this was a swimming only fourm then i would agree completly.  I have to assume that someone who might not be the best swimmer can probably kill it on the bike or the run.
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