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2010-11-22 9:34 AM
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Subject: RE: B10 and Di2, I am only going to say this once, so pay attention
I hope everyone starts buying them, so the price will come down to realistic levels! Take a look on eBay for anything Di2, $65 for a Di2 clamp?

How about these:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Shimano-Di2-Bar-End-Shifter-Set-New-/1605087164...

$345 for Di2 bar end shifters? Wait...bar-end shifters for a $3000 gruppo that's suppose to eliminate bar-end shifting?

$100 for a spare battery, $150 for a rear cable replacement?

I'm not an 'early adopter' so it doesn't really matter what the initial cost is. Looking at the components, there's no real (material or technology) reason why this should not be a sub-$1000 group set in the future.



2010-11-22 9:35 AM
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Subject: RE: B10 and Di2, I am only going to say this once, so pay attention
I'll gladly switch to Di2... once it trickles down to the lower part groups and is a more reasonable price Smile
2010-11-22 9:36 AM
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Subject: RE: B10 and Di2, I am only going to say this once, so pay attention
Grnfsh - 2010-11-22 9:16 AM
bradword - 2010-11-21 10:08 PM I know the review is old, but: Expensive at roughly $4800 for the entire group (cranks, chain, cassette, and brake calipers included). Nothing like spending 5k on a problem that never existed. I'm a huge toy/tech guy and think this system is just bling and silly.


Ive seen 8pc Di2 groups on ebay for just over $2K Prices are dropping. Hopefully by next year it will be within reason.


http://great-cycles.com/products/2010-Shimano-Dura-Ace-TT%252d7971-Di2%7B47%7D7900-Group-%28Time-Trial%29-.html

I came across this yesterday.  too good to be true?  I guess with paypal you may have some protection.  someone care to give them a try?  The site is based in Indonesia

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Subject: RE: B10 and Di2, I am only going to say this once, so pay attention
astig - 2010-11-22 11:39 AM
Grnfsh - 2010-11-22 9:16 AM
bradword - 2010-11-21 10:08 PM I know the review is old, but: Expensive at roughly $4800 for the entire group (cranks, chain, cassette, and brake calipers included). Nothing like spending 5k on a problem that never existed. I'm a huge toy/tech guy and think this system is just bling and silly.


Ive seen 8pc Di2 groups on ebay for just over $2K Prices are dropping. Hopefully by next year it will be within reason.


http://great-cycles.com/products/2010-Shimano-Dura-Ace-TT%252d7971-Di2%7B47%7D7900-Group-%28Time-Trial%29-.html

I came across this yesterday.  too good to be true?  I guess with paypal you may have some protection.  someone care to give them a try?


An online bike shop based in Indonesia offering deals too good to be true...  I believe Yanti has warned against these repeatedly.
2010-11-22 9:43 AM
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Subject: RE: B10 and Di2, I am only going to say this once, so pay attention
axteraa - 2010-11-22 9:42 AM
astig - 2010-11-22 11:39 AM
Grnfsh - 2010-11-22 9:16 AM
bradword - 2010-11-21 10:08 PM I know the review is old, but: Expensive at roughly $4800 for the entire group (cranks, chain, cassette, and brake calipers included). Nothing like spending 5k on a problem that never existed. I'm a huge toy/tech guy and think this system is just bling and silly.


Ive seen 8pc Di2 groups on ebay for just over $2K Prices are dropping. Hopefully by next year it will be within reason.


http://great-cycles.com/products/2010-Shimano-Dura-Ace-TT%252d7971-Di2%7B47%7D7900-Group-%28Time-Trial%29-.html

I came across this yesterday.  too good to be true?  I guess with paypal you may have some protection.  someone care to give them a try?


An online bike shop based in Indonesia offering deals too good to be true...  I believe Yanti has warned against these repeatedly.


thanks for the tip


2010-11-22 9:44 AM
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Subject: RE: B10 and Di2, I am only going to say this once, so pay attention
I agree with what another poster already mentioned.  Multiple shifter locations are nice but not necessary by any means.  I doubt very much it would make me faster by a millisecond and it's way too expensive.   By the time I stand up on a climb, I'm already out of gears, so there's never a need to shift while standing.
2010-11-22 10:04 AM
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Subject: RE: B10 and Di2, I am only going to say this once, so pay attention
vonschnapps - 2010-11-22 9:34 AM I hope everyone starts buying them, so the price will come down to realistic levels! Take a look on eBay for anything Di2, $65 for a Di2 clamp? How about these: http://cgi.ebay.com/Shimano-Di2-Bar-End-Shifter-Set-New-/1605087164... $345 for Di2 bar end shifters? Wait...bar-end shifters for a $3000 gruppo that's suppose to eliminate bar-end shifting? $100 for a spare battery, $150 for a rear cable replacement? I'm not an 'early adopter' so it doesn't really matter what the initial cost is. Looking at the components, there's no real (material or technology) reason why this should not be a sub-$1000 group set in the future.


to be honest once SRAM joins the electronic components you won't see prices of Di2 drop unless shimano releases an upgraded version.
2010-11-22 10:15 AM
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trix - 2010-11-22 10:04 AM
vonschnapps - 2010-11-22 9:34 AM I hope everyone starts buying them, so the price will come down to realistic levels! Take a look on eBay for anything Di2, $65 for a Di2 clamp? How about these: http://cgi.ebay.com/Shimano-Di2-Bar-End-Shifter-Set-New-/1605087164... $345 for Di2 bar end shifters? Wait...bar-end shifters for a $3000 gruppo that's suppose to eliminate bar-end shifting? $100 for a spare battery, $150 for a rear cable replacement? I'm not an 'early adopter' so it doesn't really matter what the initial cost is. Looking at the components, there's no real (material or technology) reason why this should not be a sub-$1000 group set in the future.


to be honest once SRAM joins the electronic components you won't see prices of Di2 drop unless shimano releases an upgraded version.

Actually I think in the next year you will see new pricing for the Di2... SRAM may not be joining the electronic market but Campagnolo is.  Further the Shimano rep told us that they are "expanding" their electronic market. Interbike 2011 will be showing another flavor of eShimano.

For me, I don't think that e-anything is a good idea. Just something else to go wrong.

2010-11-22 12:39 PM
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Subject: RE: B10 and Di2, I am only going to say this once, so pay attention
if you're already in your lowest gear before you get out of the saddle, you're not climbing as fast as you could be.  (or you're just not fit enough)

The di2 could in fact save you seconds. Maybe even an entire minute if its a hilly and long course. (for reasons i mentioned in my last post.)
2010-11-22 2:12 PM
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Subject: RE: B10 and Di2, I am only going to say this once, so pay attention
funkyd04 - 2010-11-22 12:39 PM if you're already in your lowest gear before you get out of the saddle, you're not climbing as fast as you could be.  (or you're just not fit enough)

The di2 could in fact save you seconds. Maybe even an entire minute if its a hilly and long course. (for reasons i mentioned in my last post.)


Just because you like to grind a big gear up a climb, does not mean that so does everyone else.  I like to stay seated while climbing as much as possible and I gear appropriately.  Again I doubt very much I would gain anything from that system.


2010-11-22 2:50 PM
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I don't think anyone doubts that Di2 is a great and reliable drivetrain.  I think some people, including myself, wonder if it makes you significantly faster...and where it ranks on the list of $$$ per seconds saved.

I'm sure it was just an exagerration, but the OP suggested Di2 gives a bigger advantage than aero or weight.  Had to chuckle a little there...then dismissed it as sarcasm.

2010-11-22 3:17 PM
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Subject: RE: B10 and Di2, I am only going to say this once, so pay attention
I'm afraid it would give me cancer...or make it easier for the gov't to keep track of my every shift! Is it Al Gore approved yet?
2010-11-22 5:33 PM
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tri808 - 2010-11-22 1:50 PM I don't think anyone doubts that Di2 is a great and reliable drivetrain.  I think some people, including myself, wonder if it makes you significantly faster...and where it ranks on the list of $$$ per seconds saved.

I'm sure it was just an exagerration, but the OP suggested Di2 gives a bigger advantage than aero or weight.  Had to chuckle a little there...then dismissed it as sarcasm.



Agreed - it's sure neat, but on a tri-bike I don't see where there's any speed gains. If you're in aero you can shift, so that's a wash. If you're up on the hoods, you either shift on the horn or reach over and shift on the aero bar - neither position is less aero than the other. You could claim a little less stability/control while 1 handedly shifting, but that's for second or two. Plus I can switch from big ring to small, while dropping 2 gears on the back. Never been in a situation where I'd need more than that, and I live in the Rockies.

When it gets down to a couple hundred over dura-ace, maybe I'll bite just for the novelty, assuming I already have good wheels, PT, aerohelmet, awesome fit, race tires, computrainer, etc...




2010-11-22 7:19 PM
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Subject: RE: B10 and Di2, I am only going to say this once, so pay attention
The incredible awesomness of sounding like you are riding on the terminator when you shift the front derailluer.
I swear, it makes that sound like to robot from the 1st movie did.
I couldn't stop playing with it...... 
2010-11-22 7:25 PM
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tri808 - 2010-11-22 1:50 PM I don't think anyone doubts that Di2 is a great and reliable drivetrain.  I think some people, including myself, wonder if it makes you significantly faster...and where it ranks on the list of $$$ per seconds saved.

I'm sure it was just an exagerration, but the OP suggested Di2 gives a bigger advantage than aero or weight.  Had to chuckle a little there...then dismissed it as sarcasm.



Agreed - it's sure neat, but on a tri-bike I don't see where there's any speed gains. If you're in aero you can shift, so that's a wash. If you're up on the hoods, you either shift on the horn or reach over and shift on the aero bar - neither position is less aero than the other. You could claim a little less stability/control while 1 handedly shifting, but that's for second or two. Plus I can switch from big ring to small, while dropping 2 gears on the back. Never been in a situation where I'd need more than that, and I live in the Rockies.

When it gets down to a couple hundred over dura-ace, maybe I'll bite just for the novelty, assuming I already have good wheels, PT, aerohelmet, awesome fit, race tires, computrainer, etc...






I did not take the OP's comment to mean faster as in speed on the bike but rather faster to shift gears.


2010-11-23 12:04 PM
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Subject: RE: B10 and Di2, I am only going to say this once, so pay attention
I'm still waiting a time during a race that the battery dies or shorts, and then that person is stuck in a single gear for the rest of the time. 

Like all electronics, its a matter of when not a matter of if.
2010-11-23 12:17 PM
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Subject: RE: B10 and Di2, I am only going to say this once, so pay attention
you guys are all way too tough on the OP.
Look- the guy got a really cool bike and he's just saying how much he really loves the Di2.

I don't think he was presenting a cost vs time saved analysis. 

Seems like a really cool/trick setup to me.  When I saw Di2 marketed for the 1st time, I felt the same way about it as back when I got up and changed the TV channels myself.  Who would ever need remote control?  But then when I saw it on the B10, with shifting from both positions- and how easy it was to shift from each.  I'm sorry- but I'm with the OP on this one.  This is a way cool, trick setup. 

Hard to quantify how much time it will save- but it does seem like there's a lot less to worry about when shifting. 

Very cool.  Thumbs up to Felt for making Di2 nearly affordable.  I'd like to see it in a 105 or Ultegra version for half the price.    $5200 is more than I can justify right now... but I'd be sold at $3k.
2010-11-23 12:28 PM
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Subject: RE: B10 and Di2, I am only going to say this once, so pay attention
The different shifter positions aren't a big deal to me, but shifting under load would make it phenomenal for cross racing.  But that's not the bike I need to be spending money on right now
2010-11-23 12:37 PM
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Subject: RE: B10 and Di2, I am only going to say this once, so pay attention
I've only ridden the Di2 on a trainer at a Shimano display at the TOC. The rep had me shift with the worst combination and bearing down the the gears, stuff I don't try to do on purpose and it shifted perfectly.

I'm not sure exactly how much time it would save but I could see it being very helpful on a rolling course or on a very windy day. Also, for a triathlon application in which we are fatigued, have a lot on our mind, and may not be making the best shifting decision, the Di2 would make recovery from those almost instantanious.

Would use it on my 2010 B2 if I could but not on the top of my list for ways to spend money.
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morey000 - 2010-11-23 1:17 PM

you guys are all way too tough on the OP.
Look- the guy got a really cool bike and he's just saying how much he really loves the Di2.

I don't think he was presenting a cost vs time saved analysis. 

Seems like a really cool/trick setup to me.  When I saw Di2 marketed for the 1st time, I felt the same way about it as back when I got up and changed the TV channels myself.  Who would ever need remote control?  But then when I saw it on the B10, with shifting from both positions- and how easy it was to shift from each.  I'm sorry- but I'm with the OP on this one.  This is a way cool, trick setup. 

Hard to quantify how much time it will save- but it does seem like there's a lot less to worry about when shifting. 

Very cool.  Thumbs up to Felt for making Di2 nearly affordable.  I'd like to see it in a 105 or Ultegra version for half the price.    $5200 is more than I can justify right now... but I'd be sold at $3k.


aux contrare, the OP threw down a challenge to all of us who live just shy of the technology curve! We have no choice but to pick up the challenge (of course we could work out more, but that Di2 stuff is really cool). So in order to continue to dominate my age group (at small races when there's less than three in it), I will add Di2 to my zipp 808's (with powertap), carbon crank, aero drink set-up. Remember, the fourth event in triathlon is buying cool stuff! and...there's a B10 with Di2 listed now on eBay.


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I'm usually the one always haranguing about "bang-for-buck" and how an intro-level road bike is good enough to win races, even big ones, but I gotta admit - if I had tons of disposable income, Di2 would definitely be on my list of too-cool technology to have. Aside from the price, it seems awesome!
2010-11-23 1:15 PM
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SO's team bike has Di2 next year. Mine does not. Guess I gotta wait another year.

I'm guessing about half of the team riders around here will have it.

2010-11-23 1:31 PM
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Lot's o' hyperbole in here....
2010-11-23 7:38 PM
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b.will - 2010-11-23 12:04 PM I'm still waiting a time during a race that the battery dies or shorts, and then that person is stuck in a single gear for the rest of the time. 

Like all electronics, its a matter of when not a matter of if.


When you get to a certain percentage, 15% or 25% you lose your front derailleur but keep your rear shifting.  That percentage is enough to start and finish a spring classic or a day of a stage race.  If you don't recharge your battery before a race that long you have some serious mental problems that no drivetrain is going to be able to help you with.  Our customers who are on Di2 have been able to ride all season without a recharge...and we aren't talking about guys who don't ride.
 
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