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Subject: for all those who HATE pit bulls...

Worchester, Ma. - Responsible Pit Bull Ownership Ordinance (the 9th PDF down the list)

http://www.worcesterma.gov/city-clerk/ordinances-regulations

I haven't seen anything like this since the 1930's in Germany.

I wonder if this ordinance would pass if they substituted "African American", "Follower of Judaism", or "Muslim" for pit bull.



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I wonder who they consulted to write that.  They couldnt be any more mistaken about pitbulls and what they describe as typical traits.

I'm extremely oppossed to breed specific ordinances.  Most of the time they are enacted when an incident ocurrs and politicians want to show that they have the best interest of the citizens in mind.  Then went all the publicity dies down is that the real consequences of such measurements start appearing.

There are multiple cities across the country that are suing local cities to revers this bans.  I actually have a friend that is leading the charge to reverse the ban in the city of Miami.

 

2011-03-11 2:25 PM
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Seriously? Did you really just compare a breed of dogs to ethnic groups of humans? Besides the laws are directed to the owners of that breed. Humans don't have owners.
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the bear - 2011-03-11 3:25 PM  Humans don't have owners.

That's not what Mrs. Bear told me about you.

2011-03-11 2:52 PM
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the bear - 2011-03-11 3:25 PM  Humans don't have owners.

That's not what Mrs. Bear told me about you.

There's a difference between a boss and an owner!


2011-03-11 3:06 PM
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the bear - 2011-03-11 2:25 PM Seriously? Did you really just compare a breed of dogs to ethnic groups of humans? Besides the laws are directed to the owners of that breed. Humans don't have owners.

 

look up the term "hyperbole" and "sarcasm"

And yes, I did compare them. First Humans are animals (Homo sapiens) and science does consider race as a sub-classification for human beings (anthropologists/ sociologists differ on the number from something like 20ish to over 100)

I think you can make some comparisons between Canis familiaris and Homo sapiens based on simple animal behavior.

In this instance, I am making a comparison to the perceived ignorance/ bias of a breed of dog to the ignorance/ bias of racial and ethnic groups of humans. A minority of individuals in any sub group do bad things - thus the correlation between humans and dogs. I make this comparison to hopefully illustrate to people that a prejudice is bad whether to a dog, cat, child, adult, race, or religion.

Some (Not all) African Americans, Pit Bulls, Jews, Christians, Chows, Wolfs, 11 year old kids, 80 year old women, etc. do bad things.

IMPO, You should treat all animals (humans included) in an equal and unbiased manner.



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bullyboy - 2011-03-11 3:06 PM

the bear - 2011-03-11 2:25 PM Seriously? Did you really just compare a breed of dogs to ethnic groups of humans? Besides the laws are directed to the owners of that breed. Humans don't have owners.

 

look up the term "hyperbole" and "sarcasm"...

Let me introduce you to the sarcasm font since it works wonders here - sarcasm

2011-03-11 3:11 PM
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bullyboy - 2011-03-11 2:06

 

look up the term "hyperbole" and "sarcasm"


IMPO, You should treat all animals (humans included) in an equal and unbiased manner.

 

A. Look up the term "Context". You provided none, so it's virtually impossible to discern what you were saying.

2. I love animals and my wife is a year away from graduating from Vet school, but your second statement is radical at best. Not that you don't have a right to think it, but humans and animals are not the same to most people, no matter how much we love animals.

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Ever been to Worcester? This isn't a bad idea...
2011-03-11 3:19 PM
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First off, Pit Bull and ethnic groups...how did you arrive at that?  wow

I would argue that ALL DOGS BITE, period.  That is to say that all dogs have the capability of biting under the right circumstances.  I have seen it and also been party to it.  The problem with breeds like the Pit is that they are bred, as it states in the document, to have powerful jaws that are capable of doing extreme damage.  They were bred to fight and while they may be gentle around their owners given the right situation and environment they can be extremely dangerous.

I would think that responsible owners of this breed would be excited to hear that you have to register your dog.  It seems like this would help to keep some of the owners that either neglect or abuse them from being able to keep them.  Looks like this law is being put in place to protect those that are responsible and prosecute those that are not.

BTW...I own a Rottweiler Mix and I don't leave her alone around my 11 year old and her friends.  She is not allowed in the backyard while they play back their either.  Rott's were bred to herd livestock, little kids running around the backyard makes her want to play chase.  Herding dogs tend to nip and bite to get whatever it is they are herding to listen.  This is instinctive and while I don't think she would do anything to hurt someone, instinctive characteristics are difficult to turn off. 



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1stTimeTri - 2011-03-11 3:08 PM
bullyboy - 2011-03-11 3:06 PM

the bear - 2011-03-11 2:25 PM Seriously? Did you really just compare a breed of dogs to ethnic groups of humans? Besides the laws are directed to the owners of that breed. Humans don't have owners.

 

look up the term "hyperbole" and "sarcasm"...

Let me introduce you to the sarcasm font since it works wonders here - sarcasm

 

my bad!!!

I tend to be impatient and thought the name and pic would have hinted at the sarcasm and my position.

2011-03-11 3:26 PM
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If pit bulls are outlawed only outlaws will have pit bulls!
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Batlou - 2011-03-11 3:19 PM

First off, Pit Bull and ethnic groups...how did you arrive at that?  wow

species and a sub group of that species... in this instance a comparison of a sub group that has a tremendous amount of bias against them.

I would argue that ALL DOGS BITE, period.

I agree... so why call out ONLY pit bulls and not all breeds (chows, rotts, shepards, mastiffs, border collies, etc.).

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WaitingGuilty - 2011-03-11 3:11 PM

 but humans and animals are not the same to most people, no matter how much we love animals.

 

I take it you do not believe in evolution? Humans are a part of the animal kingdom... a VERY special animal but still an animal.

2011-03-11 3:44 PM
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The more I see people the more I love my dog.

 



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bullyboy - 2011-03-11 3:30 PM

 

Batlou - 2011-03-11 3:19 PM

First off, Pit Bull and ethnic groups...how did you arrive at that?  wow

species and a sub group of that species... in this instance a comparison of a sub group that has a tremendous amount of bias against them.

I would argue that ALL DOGS BITE, period.

I agree... so why call out ONLY pit bulls and not all breeds (chows, rotts, shepards, mastiffs, border collies, etc.).

I would not have a problem with registering my dog right along with Chows, Rotts, Mastiffs, etc.  I believe the thing that makes Pits particularly dangerous is that if that instinctive switch should flip to fight they will not back down and are bred to fight to the death. 

The point is that in the hands of a responsible owner Pits are great dogs but their reputation makes them also attractive to people who don't have the dogs or the publics best interest in mind. 

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jblt4 - 2011-03-11 4:44 PM

The more I see people the more I love my dog.

 

I feel the same way....

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Cuetoy - 2011-03-11 4:58 PM

jblt4 - 2011-03-11 4:44 PM

The more I see people the more I love my dog.

 

I feel the same way....



The more I interact with people the more I want to just be around dogs.

I've met far more people that should be muzzled than dogs. See Responsible Pit Bull Ownership (e) (4) in the Ordinance.
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mrbbrad - 2011-03-11 4:26 PM If pit bulls are outlawed only outlaws will have pit bulls!
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bullyboy - 2011-03-11 4:06 PM

the bear - 2011-03-11 2:25 PM Seriously? Did you really just compare a breed of dogs to ethnic groups of humans? Besides the laws are directed to the owners of that breed. Humans don't have owners.

 

look up the term "hyperbole" and "sarcasm"

And yes, I did compare them. First Humans are animals (Homo sapiens) and science does consider race as a sub-classification for human beings (anthropologists/ sociologists differ on the number from something like 20ish to over 100)

I think you can make some comparisons between Canis familiaris and Homo sapiens based on simple animal behavior.

In this instance, I am making a comparison to the perceived ignorance/ bias of a breed of dog to the ignorance/ bias of racial and ethnic groups of humans. A minority of individuals in any sub group do bad things - thus the correlation between humans and dogs. I make this comparison to hopefully illustrate to people that a prejudice is bad whether to a dog, cat, child, adult, race, or religion.

Some (Not all) African Americans, Pit Bulls, Jews, Christians, Chows, Wolfs, 11 year old kids, 80 year old women, etc. do bad things.

IMPO, You should treat all animals (humans included) in an equal and unbiased manner.

 

I would like to see you carry that out on a Hippo or a lion.



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