General Discussion Triathlon Talk » run volume and long runs. Rss Feed  
Moderators: k9car363, alicefoeller Reply
2011-03-22 6:10 PM

User image

Extreme Veteran
756
5001001002525
Mexico!
Subject: run volume and long runs.

I have heard that my long run shouldn't be anywhere near the 50% of my total week volume. is this a good rule of thumb? what is the ideal? 25%? 

I had never done it till last week were while it wasn't half the total volume it was near it. the long run didn't affect the rest of the week, I just wasn't able to get in the work I wanted. 

If the the long run were to affect the rest of the training should I shorten it? I am building up to run a HM in April should I be more concerned about total week volume or getting in my long runs to make sure I can finish? both?

thanks.



2011-03-22 6:45 PM
in reply to: #3409333

User image

Subject: RE: run volume and long runs.

I try to keep my long run at 35% or lower of my total weekly volume.  But I agree the closer you get to 25%, the better.  It probably means you're running often, and doing some decent miles on your regular run days...which is always good assuming you're not pushing yourself beyond your capabilities.

Just remember that it's a "guideline".  It doesn't need to be followed every week religiously.  Just because you miss a 6 mile run during the week, it doesn't mean you automatically have to adjust your LR to make your percentages match up to what you feel is ideal.

2011-03-22 8:03 PM
in reply to: #3409333

User image

Master
2426
200010010010010025
Central Indiana
Subject: RE: run volume and long runs.

Training for my 1st marathon I did too few base miles & fell into pattern of sticking to my long run schedule regardless.  Often my long run was >50% of weekly miles.  Big mistake. During training I was always fighting nagging aches/pains & often could barely finish those LR's.  Completed the mary, but very slow time (>5hrs) & literally couldn't walk down stairs the next AM.  Couldn't run seriously again for 2 months.

Currently training for HM (May) & full (June).  Generally keeping my LRs to <35% of weekly mileage & feeling better.  Still doing swim/bike 2-3x/wk each. Overall my speed is much improved (PB 10k by 3min 2 wks ago).  Up to 15mi LR last weekend, which is fine for 7wk pre HM & 12kws pre-marathon. 

IMHO- miles-per-week is more important than arbitrary LR length.  If you can work up to 10-11 mi LR 2 wks pre-event, you should be able to finish your HM.  Remember to take it easy for 7-10 days pre-race.

Good luck!

2011-03-22 8:30 PM
in reply to: #3409333

User image

Extreme Veteran
845
50010010010025
Springfield, OH
Subject: RE: run volume and long runs.

I think the 25% figure is more appropriate for just runners.  If you're a triathlete, you're cross-training a lot, and so it's probably okay for your long run to be more of your weekly mileage than if you were strictly a runner, and running 5-6 days a week.

For example, right now my long run is about 40-50% of my weekly run mileage; however, it's less than 20% of my weekly training in terms of time spent on it.

2011-03-22 8:45 PM
in reply to: #3409560

User image

Champion
7233
5000200010010025
Subject: RE: run volume and long runs.
I tend to try andkeep it around 25% or so, and a bit longer as i'm coming up on a specific race/race build up.

much over 30% for a long period of time and i start to feel pretty beat down after/during it.
2011-03-23 2:16 AM
in reply to: #3409333

User image

Member
51
2525
Cecilia
Subject: RE: run volume and long runs.

This article has some pretty interesting info, more on run volume and quality of runs.

http://coachdeanhebert.wordpress.com/2008/07/24/the-marathon-average-pace-vs-mileage/



2011-03-23 5:59 AM
in reply to: #3409560

User image

Regular
336
10010010025
Subject: RE: run volume and long runs.

I agree with your thoughts but trying to compare the times across sports is difficult. bike rides tend to be longer than runs and run probably longer than swims. So comparing times across them won't give a true look at what you're doing % wise compared to your total minutes.

To the original poster...I would up the long run at least 1 mile per week, then follow the 10%-15% for upping the long run distance and overall mileage. For instance if your long run is 5 miles rather than doing 5.5 the next week just up it to 6. do several weeks of build up then cut back for a week to let your body relax and recover.

apicek - 2011-03-22 9:30 PM

I think the 25% figure is more appropriate for just runners.  If you're a triathlete, you're cross-training a lot, and so it's probably okay for your long run to be more of your weekly mileage than if you were strictly a runner, and running 5-6 days a week.

For example, right now my long run is about 40-50% of my weekly run mileage; however, it's less than 20% of my weekly training in terms of time spent on it.

2011-03-23 6:14 AM
in reply to: #3409333

User image

Champion
19812
50005000500020002000500100100100
MA
Subject: RE: run volume and long runs.

When my long run was 50% or more of my run volume, I couldn't absorb the runs and they made me very tired.

The closer I am to 25-35% to weekly volume I am the better I handle them and recover from them.

I've done run training differently over the years. Adding 1-2 runs per week helped a lot to improve my running.

2011-03-23 6:19 AM
in reply to: #3409560

User image

Extreme Veteran
404
100100100100
Dallas, TX
Subject: RE: run volume and long runs.
apicek - 2011-03-22 8:30 PM

I think the 25% figure is more appropriate for just runners.  If you're a triathlete, you're cross-training a lot, and so it's probably okay for your long run to be more of your weekly mileage than if you were strictly a runner, and running 5-6 days a week.

For example, right now my long run is about 40-50% of my weekly run mileage; however, it's less than 20% of my weekly training in terms of time spent on it.

I trained for my first marathon last fall and found that as the weekly mileage increased I also had to increase the run frequency to avoid injuries (knees and feet) and reduce recovery time. At 25 miles, I needed to run 4 times a week. At 35+ miles, I needed to run 5+ times a week. This could be running 5 days or splitting a run into morning/afternoon.

Once I switched over to triathlon training, I thought that the biking would be an adequate substitute for some of the running. Nope. I still have to run 3-4 times a week to maintain decent running ability.

2011-03-23 1:20 PM
in reply to: #3409333

User image

Extreme Veteran
756
5001001002525
Mexico!
Subject: RE: run volume and long runs.
got it. thanks all.
2011-03-23 2:08 PM
in reply to: #3409333

User image

Member
22

Subject: RE: run volume and long runs.
I read over at Runnersworld that it depends on how many times a week you run. If you run three times a week, don't go over 50%. If you run 4-5 times a week don't exceed 35-40%, and if you run 6-7 times a week, don't exceed 25-30%. However, everybody is different and different bodies can handle different things.

Here is the post.
http://www.runnersworld.com/community/forums/training/5k-10k-half-m...
posted at 3/26/2010 12:23 PM CDT
WCRunner

seems to know his stuff, a lot of people over there seem to value his input and info.

Edited by BroncoInNC 2011-03-23 2:08 PM


2011-03-23 2:40 PM
in reply to: #3409333

User image

Master
1795
1000500100100252525
Boynton Beach, FL
Subject: RE: run volume and long runs.

Some of you must run ALOT....   At best majority of folks get out 4 runs a week if on non-run focussed plans.  25% of weekly total would equal, ummm, same amount each run.   So 25 mile week @ 4x per week = 25% @ 6.25 mile long run.    Change that to 5 runs a week and your still have long run at 6.25 and others at a 4.68 mile avg.   Is 1.57 miles really a difference maker for your long run?  Maybe I am missing something here.  

Everyone's body will react differently, but I am having hard time figuring how you CAN'T have long run be at least 35-50% of your weekly run total... 

 

 

2011-03-23 2:55 PM
in reply to: #3411002

User image

Runner
Subject: RE: run volume and long runs.
cardenas1 - 2011-03-23 3:40 PM

Some of you must run ALOT....   At best majority of folks get out 4 runs a week if on non-run focussed plans.  25% of weekly total would equal, ummm, same amount each run.   So 25 mile week @ 4x per week = 25% @ 6.25 mile long run.    Change that to 5 runs a week and your still have long run at 6.25 and others at a 4.68 mile avg.   Is 1.57 miles really a difference maker for your long run?  Maybe I am missing something here.  

Everyone's body will react differently, but I am having hard time figuring how you CAN'T have long run be at least 35-50% of your weekly run total... 

 

 



Let's say that you are training for a marathon, and the longest run you have planned is 20 miles (as this is the standard number). That means that you have one run of 20 miles, and the total weekly volume should be somewhere around 60-80 miles (I have always gone with about 1/3 total mileage). That means that you have 40-60 miles to do over the course of 6 other days. At the low end, that's just a hair over 6.5 miles every day. If you don't want to run every day, then yes, the numbers get a little more difficult.

One thing to keep in mind here is that there are two different approaches. Some people (like myself) advocate keeping the ratio fairly low all year round, while others say that it's ok to break the ratio when training for a specific race, but for long-term, consistent running, it is very difficult to maintain that high a ratio of single run to total weekly mileage.
New Thread
General Discussion Triathlon Talk » run volume and long runs. Rss Feed