Why no music during the run?
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2011-04-25 6:13 PM |
Regular 282 Toronto, ON | Subject: Why no music during the run? I don't get this rule. I should also be honest and say that I also don't like this rule. So, why is it that during running races it's ok to listen to music but not during tris? I get the safety aspect of it during the bike (I also get that this is not universally accepted on BT - LOL!) but on the run? I don't get it at all. Could someone explain? |
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2011-04-25 6:15 PM in reply to: #3465436 |
Expert 1244 | Subject: RE: Why no music during the run? I have not looked into it, but I was told at the running events now that if you run with music you are unable to win prize money. Again I have not confirmed this but was told in December it has now changed |
2011-04-25 6:19 PM in reply to: #3465436 |
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2011-04-25 6:19 PM in reply to: #3465436 |
Expert 1244 | Subject: RE: Why no music during the run? this is from 2008- "(f) The visible possession or use by athletes of video, audio, or communications devices in the competition area. The Games Committee for an LDR event may allow the use of portable listening devices not capable of receiving communication; however, those competing in Championships for awards, medals, or prize money may not use such devices." |
2011-04-25 6:20 PM in reply to: #3465436 |
Member 80 Coquitlam | Subject: RE: Why no music during the run? I believe it's for 2 reasons. One is safety as you are not completely aware of your surroundings so the race's insurance underwriter may enforce that. The second is that it could be a radio connected to a coach. No joke, any advantage to win for some people. This way with a blanket rule, it eliminates anyone getting an advantage. |
2011-04-25 6:33 PM in reply to: #3465436 |
Expert 1416 San Luis Obispo, CA | Subject: RE: Why no music during the run? I ask this every time this comes up: Are deaf or hearing impaired triathletes prohibited from racing? |
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2011-04-25 6:49 PM in reply to: #3465468 |
Champion 10668 Tacoma, Washington | Subject: RE: Why no music during the run? Have you ever seen it said that deaf or hearing-impaired athletes can't compete? If you have, let's talk about it. If you haven't, then let it rest already. |
2011-04-25 6:54 PM in reply to: #3465436 |
Champion 9407 Montague Gold Mines, Nova Scotia | Subject: RE: Why no music during the run? lamb_y2003 - 2011-04-25 8:13 PM So, why is it that during running races it's ok to listen to music but not during tris? I get the safety aspect of it during the bike (I also get that this is not universally accepted on BT - LOL!) but on the run? I don't get it at all. Could someone explain? It didn't used to be allowed in running races either; however, the IAAF gave up on trying to impose the rule a couple of years ago and said that amateur athletes were allowed to listen to music. It basically boiled down to athletes being unwilling to follow the rules and race directors being unwilling to enforce the rules so the IAAF figured it was better to have no rule than one that was not enforced consistently. Shane |
2011-04-25 7:12 PM in reply to: #3465501 |
Expert 1416 San Luis Obispo, CA | Subject: RE: Why no music during the run? briderdt - 2011-04-25 4:49 PM Have you ever seen it said that deaf or hearing-impaired athletes can't compete? If you have, let's talk about it. If you haven't, then let it rest already. PULLEEESE forgive me. I just find the argument that listening to music while running or riding is somehow "dangerous" without merit. And if you have any spare time, please let me know what I am allowed to have an opinion on. Edited by blbriley 2011-04-25 7:14 PM |
2011-04-25 7:16 PM in reply to: #3465436 |
Subject: RE: Why no music during the run? Because it's against the rules. In running races it is not against the rules. In most cycling races aero bars are against the rules In triathlon, they're a normal piece of equipment Different types of racing, different rules. Want it changed? Lobby for the change. |
2011-04-25 7:24 PM in reply to: #3465436 |
Pro 4909 Hailey, ID | Subject: RE: Why no music during the run? I run all the time while training with music, no big deal. I just ran my first marathon and found it totally annoying that most people had headphones, and if you want to talk, inspire or get anyones attention they didn't even know you're there. Also had a few problems were they were running on the far left and the motorcycle cops couldn't get their attention to move over. Safety in a race specifically, I could see that. My bigger problem is not hearing volunteers and other racers for information. |
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2011-04-25 7:24 PM in reply to: #3465436 |
New user 41 | Subject: RE: Why no music during the run? 1. I commute by bike on a multi-use path and very frequently have trouble with runners/walkers not being able to hear me approach. It's dangerous for them and me, though admittedly only when they wander all over the path. 2. I personally observed a marathon / half marathon last year where there was a part of the course where the lead marathoners overtook the half marathoners. The lead bikes could not warn the half marathoners or get them out of the way, because they couldn't hear anything. 3. When I was in high school, it was against the rules to wear a watch for cross country. It was considered cheating and an unfair advantage. Now people wear GPS watches. The rules are the rules. |
2011-04-25 7:28 PM in reply to: #3465534 |
Champion 10668 Tacoma, Washington | Subject: RE: Why no music during the run? blbriley - 2011-04-25 5:12 PM briderdt - 2011-04-25 4:49 PM Have you ever seen it said that deaf or hearing-impaired athletes can't compete? If you have, let's talk about it. If you haven't, then let it rest already. PULLEEESE forgive me. I just find the argument that listening to music while running or riding is somehow "dangerous" without merit. And if you have any spare time, please let me know what I am allowed to have an opinion on. Well, you said you bring this question up every time... So maybe you'd realize that the parallels just aren't there. Which is why I said give it a rest. An able-hearing person with an ear plug broadcasting music is a totally different thing than a hearing-impaired person. Watch them, and you'll see. |
2011-04-25 7:29 PM in reply to: #3465534 |
New user 135 | Subject: RE: Why no music during the run? PULLEEESE forgive me. I just find the argument that listening to music while running or riding is somehow "dangerous" without merit. I was run off a bike path on Saturday by a woman biking with headphones on. I called out to her as she approached (she was running a diagonal across from my left to my right), but couldn't get her attention. From the looks of her head position, she was looking about 12 inches in front of her wheel and never saw me until she had already caused me to veer off the path for fear about what direction she would go next. No apology, no acknowledgment that she had run me into the sand, forcing me to dismount and clean the sand out of my cleats.It's one example, but my experience with riders (and drivers) that have headphones on is that they've checked out and aren't paying attention. It may just be that the people that are aloof and inattentive are more likely to wear headphones, giving other headphone wearing riders a bad rap. Do you know any deaf people? They're far more aware of their surroundings than hearing people. They don't take things for granted like we do. |
2011-04-25 7:34 PM in reply to: #3465436 |
Extreme Veteran 845 Springfield, OH | Subject: RE: Why no music during the run? lamb_y2003 - 2011-04-25 7:13 PM I don't get this rule. I should also be honest and say that I also don't like this rule. So, why is it that during running races it's ok to listen to music but not during tris? I get the safety aspect of it during the bike (I also get that this is not universally accepted on BT - LOL!) but on the run? I don't get it at all. Could someone explain? Not really an answer to your question, but I was really annoyed at one race I did by some people with headphones. There was a big hill at the start of the race, and so a large group of us runners actually passed several in the wheelchair division. Then a downhill followed, and the wheelchair division had a hell of a time getting through because people with headphones on didn't hear the repeated calls of "Wheelchair coming through on the yellow line." And then when someone tapped them on the shoulder and told them, they acted all annoyed by having to take out an earbud. Maybe it's just those particular people in that particular instance, but it really annoyed me. Imagine if some walkers linked arms in front of you all wearing headphones and you couldn't get by... If you're going to wear headphones when you run in a race, at least have some common courtesy and awareness of your surroundings. |
2011-04-25 7:50 PM in reply to: #3465436 |
Royal(PITA) 14270 West Chester, Ohio | Subject: RE: Why no music during the run? My understanding of this USAT rule is partially for safety....partially because listening to a particular rhythm is a form of outside assistance to pace yourself. |
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2011-04-25 7:57 PM in reply to: #3465633 |
Extreme Veteran 845 Springfield, OH | Subject: RE: Why no music during the run? QueenZipp - 2011-04-25 8:50 PM My understanding of this USAT rule is partially for safety....partially because listening to a particular rhythm is a form of outside assistance to pace yourself. I don't think the latter really applies or they would ban watches. You can actually have a pacer, as long as they are also competing. |
2011-04-25 8:15 PM in reply to: #3465633 |
Veteran 281 | Subject: RE: Why no music during the run? QueenZipp - 2011-04-25 8:50 PM My understanding of this USAT rule is partially for safety....partially because listening to a particular rhythm is a form of outside assistance to pace yourself. I had heard (no pun intended) the same thing. Outside assistance of course is against the rules. A pacing device, from what I remember, is also not allowed. Music thus becomes a pacing device due to it's beat. All that being said I could find nothing in the USAT rules regarding pacing devices. |
2011-04-25 8:33 PM in reply to: #3465436 |
Regular 282 Toronto, ON | Subject: RE: Why no music during the run? Thanks for your replies. Just for clarity, I do understand that this is a rule and I abide by it, I just find it weird that you can do a race that's strictly running and listen to music but not use it for the run portion of triathlon. You're right that it's a different sport but since you're in T2 and getting ready to do just a run, it stands to reason that music should be allowed. That's the way it'd work if I was queen of the world anyway. Ha. |
2011-04-25 8:35 PM in reply to: #3465436 |
Pro 4824 Houston | Subject: RE: Why no music during the run? I wasn't a fan of this rule at first either. Then I did a few tris and got used to running w/o music. Now when I do a running race I get annoyed that almost everyone has music and nobody is social, friendly or giving atta-boys to each other, they are too busy with their own music. So now I am SO glad there is no music in tris. It makes the experience so much more rich!
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2011-04-25 9:52 PM in reply to: #3465735 |
Extreme Veteran 516 Chicago | Subject: RE: Why no music during the run? I almost got killed, spit on, snot rocketed, etc. by people that are paying more attention to their headphones more then their surroundings, so I like the rule. I, on the other hand, don't understand the need for headphones while working out at all let alone during a race (unless you're on the dreadmill). Sorry, but that's just me. |
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2011-04-25 10:28 PM in reply to: #3465832 |
Expert 1379 Woodland, California | Subject: RE: Why no music during the run? I'm a fan of the rule. I've gotten stuck behind oblivious earbud-wearers in races before... had to wait to pass them because they couldn't hear me. Not saying that everyone listening to music is oblivious....... but I think some people listen to music to distract them from the pain and/or boredom of training or racing, and it distracts them from everything else too. |
2011-04-25 10:50 PM in reply to: #3465735 |
Expert 1051 Bradenton, Florida | Subject: RE: Why no music during the run? KeriKadi - 2011-04-25 9:35 PM I wasn't a fan of this rule at first either. Then I did a few tris and got used to running w/o music. Now when I do a running race I get annoyed that almost everyone has music and nobody is social, friendly or giving atta-boys to each other, they are too busy with their own music. So now I am SO glad there is no music in tris. It makes the experience so much more rich!
x2 - I started as a runner and always ran with music then got into tris and got used to running without, on my last half mary, I ran without music and had a great run plus a PR. The biggest frustration on that race, the couple in front of me that kept screaming back and forth at each other because both were wearing headphones. |
2011-04-25 11:13 PM in reply to: #3465562 |
Champion 6993 Chicago, Illinois | Subject: RE: Why no music during the run? bradword - 2011-04-25 7:24 PM My bigger problem is not hearing volunteers and other racers for information. This was a big issue at Chicago Marathon 2007. Even without headphones it was hard to figure out what was going on. I also seen at a race where a man died and emergency response vehicles were delayed getting to the fallen racer because of a person with headphone on running down the middle of the street in a small narrow 1 lane road. I was about 100 meters in front of the runner waving my arms and shouting and they did not notice that either. Sad irony of it all is when they almost step on the runner who was getting work on by fellow runners they were quickly offering their CPR skills. |
2011-04-25 11:24 PM in reply to: #3465735 |
Subject: RE: Why no music during the run? KeriKadi - 2011-04-25 6:35 PM I wasn't a fan of this rule at first either. Then I did a few tris and got used to running w/o music. Now when I do a running race I get annoyed that almost everyone has music and nobody is social, friendly or giving atta-boys to each other, they are too busy with their own music. So now I am SO glad there is no music in tris. It makes the experience so much more rich!
X2 and very well stated Keri. I use to run with music and quit to get ready for my first HIM in 2006 and have not ran with music since. I enjoy being able to interact with others on the course. |
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