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2005-09-01 8:47 AM
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Here's a link to hi-res NOAA aerial photos of the affected areas:

http://alt.ngs.noaa.gov/katrina/



2005-09-01 9:27 AM
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This is breaking my heart. every time I come to check in here and post, I get worked up. PLEASE let us know what we can do for you and your families specifically, and my $$ will go to the Red Cross and my prayers to all of you.

as an aside, and why I feel so sick about this particular disatster, here is an eassy by Jim Wallis sent to me via Soujourners magazine email list:

(copied here so you don;t have to register)

"During hurricanes, floods and other natural disasters, those who have the least to lose are often those who lose the most. Why?

First, the dwellings in which poor people live are not as sturdy, stable, or safe as others. "Shotgun" shacks, mobile homes, and poorly constructed apartment buildings don't do well in hurricane-force winds and tidal surges.

Second, the places where poor people live are also the most vulnerable. The rich often live at the tops of hills, the poor in the valleys and plains that are the first to flood. The living conditions in these neighborhoods are also usually the most dense and overcrowded.

Third, it is much harder for the poor to evacuate. They don't own cars, can't afford to rent them, and often can't even afford a tank of gas - especially at today's prices. They can't afford an airplane, train, or even bus ticket. And, as one low-income person told a New Orleans reporter, they have no place to go. People in poverty can't afford motel or hotel rooms, and often don't have friends or family in other places with space to spare. In New Orleans, there were many people who desperately wanted to leave but couldn't.

Fourth, low-income people are the least likely to have insurance on their homes and belongings, and the least likely to have health insurance. If jobs are lost because of natural disasters, theirs are the first to go. Poverty makes long-term recovery after a disaster more difficult - the communities that are the weakest to begin with usually recover the slowest. The lack of a living family income for most people in those communities leaves no reserve for emergencies.

New Orleans has a poverty rate of 28% - more than twice the national rate. Life is always hard for poor people - living on the edge is insecure and full of risk. Natural disasters make it worse. Yet even in normal times, poverty is hidden and not reported by the media. In times of disaster, there continues to be little coverage of the excessive impact on the poor. Devastated luxury homes and hotels, drifting yachts and battered casinos make far more compelling photographs.

The final irony of New Orleans is that the people who normally fill the Louisiana Superdome are those who can afford the high cost of tickets, parking, and concessions. Now its inhabitants are the poor, especially children, the elderly and the sick - those with nowhere else to go. Those with money are nowhere to be seen.

As the Gulf Coast now faces the long and difficult task of recovery, what can we do?

Louisiana Governor Kathleen Blanco declared Wednesday a day of prayer: "As we face the devastation wrought by Katrina, as we search for those in need, as we comfort those in pain and as we begin the long task of rebuilding, we turn to God for strength, hope and comfort." She urged residents in her state to ask "that God give us all the physical and spiritual strength to work through this crisis and rebuild."
2005-09-01 9:57 AM
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Brandy/justalittletri -

Your ability to find humor and perspective in the midst of this tragedy is truly humbling. You are an amazing person. My prayers are with you and and will be with everyone during the difficult times to come.

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Does anyone know if all gulf area BTrs are accounted for?


Edited by dontracy 2005-09-01 9:57 AM
2005-09-01 10:16 AM
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dontracy - 2005-09-01 9:57 AM Brandy/justalittletri -

Your ability to find humor and perspective in the midst of this tragedy is truly humbling. You are an amazing person. My prayers are with you and and will be with everyone during the difficult times to come.

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Does anyone know if all gulf area BTrs are accounted for?

I was thinking about this yesterday, all I have left is my humor and my health. Gotta make the best of both       Trying to laugh and just keep on running.

I think that all the NOLA area people that I know are safe, Ken, Rob, Joann, Lane, Matt (in br but still ok), and don't think bear was affected.

2005-09-01 12:21 PM
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possum - 2005-09-01 6:27 AMas an aside, and why I feel so sick about this particular disatster, here is an eassy by Jim Wallis sent to me via Soujourners magazine email list:

Thank you for sharing that. When many people think of New Orleans, or anywhere else on the Gulf, they think of fun time, Bourbon Street, casinoes, vacation. I have always thought of all the poor people, having been one of them for the first 6-7 years of my life. Oh, we weren't "9th-Ward-type" poor, but near-enough that we shopped with people who were at the local Kmart.

I can't help but think of all the bare-ly working poor who would be hard-pressed to spend a weekend in a hotel out of town (most of my immediate and extended family would find that a hardship that would wreck their finances for the rest of the year).

Although the photos are of familiar spots where I have visited, I am still having a very hard time wrapping my mind around it all.



Edited by madkat 2005-09-01 12:22 PM
2005-09-01 12:27 PM
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Wow. I just got off of the phone with my brother. His ship just docked at Mayport and he was able to (and I don't know how, but he did) get in touch with his neighbor. He said his house is fine. Both of the streets on either side of him flooded, and his street flooded about half way up from the Pascagoula River that is a mile from his house. But I guess his house was just high enough to stay dry. And they have a roof.

Miracles happen.



2005-09-01 12:43 PM
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The situation in New Orleans is turning dire. 

I can hardly put myself in the situation but this is close:

  • The temperature is in the 90's with HIGH humidity.
  • You have NO place to crap or urinate.
  • You have been treading through waist deep water or higher.
  • You can not shower.
  • You have NO water
  • You have NO food.
  • You see babies and elderly DIEING around you in the street.
  • No one is talking to you or providing assitance
  • There is rampant fighting in the street at nights. 
  • There is no lighting, no electricity.
  • There are gangs walking in the streets with stolen guns.
  • There are police speeding by you but won't stop to help you out.
  • You have been in this situation for the 5th day.

If the only way you can get attention is to shoot at police to get attention, then you just might have to do that.

Just something to think about while we are sitting in our nice air conditoned homes with phones, tv, and internet.

This isn't Iraq this is America.



Edited by H13 2005-09-01 12:45 PM
2005-09-01 12:56 PM
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When I was brushing my teeth last night I suddenly realized, "So many people don't have water to do the barest of their daily routine."  I actually felt a bit guilty about my bath.
2005-09-01 1:40 PM
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This just arrived in my email inbox:

Dear MoveOn member,

Hurricane Katrina's toll on communities, homes and lives has devastated the nation. Now victims must face the daunting question of where to go next—and we can help.

Tens of thousands of newly homeless families are being bused to a stadium in Houston, where they may wait for weeks or months. At least 80,000 are competing for area shelters, and countless more are in motels, cars, or wherever they can stay out of the elements. The Federal Emergency Management Agency and the Red Cross are scrambling to find shelter for the displaced.

This morning, we've launched an emergency national housing drive to connect your empty beds with hurricane victims who desperately need a place to wait out the storm. You can post your offer of housing (a spare room, extra bed, even a decent couch) and search for available housing online at:

http://www.hurricanehousing.org

Housing is most urgently needed within reasonable driving distance (about 300 miles) of the affected areas in the Southeast, especially New Orleans.

Please forward this message to anyone you know in the region who might be able to help.

But no matter where you live, your housing could still make a world of difference to a person or family in need, so please offer what you can.

The process is simple:

  • You can sign up to become a host by posting a description of whatever housing you have available, along with contact information. You can change or remove your offer at any time.

  • Hurricane victims, local and national relief organizations, friends and relatives can search the site for housing. We'll do everything we can to get your offers where they are needed most. Many shelters actually already have Internet access, but folks without 'net access can still make use of the site through case workers and family members.

  • Hurricane victims or relief agencies will contact hosts and together decide if it's a good match and make the necessary travel arrangements. The host's address is not released until a particular match is agreed on.

    If hosting doesn't work for you, please consider donating to the Red Cross to help with the enormous tasks of rescue and recovery. You can give online at:

    http://www.moveon.org/r?r=859

    As progressives, we share a core belief that we are all in this together, and today is an important chance to put that idea to work. There are thousands of families who have just lost everything and need a place to stay dry. Let's do what we can to help.

    http://www.hurricanehousing.org

    Thanks for being there when it matters most.

    —Noah Winer and the whole MoveOn.org Civic Action Team
      Thursday, September 1st, 2005

  • 2005-09-01 1:46 PM
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    H13 - 2005-09-01 12:43 PM

    This isn't Iraq this is America.

    This is my home.

    Talked to all my friends today. Not one of them plan to move back to new orleans. Most of them have jobs lined up in other cities already. My sister is going to Phoenix. I still haven't talked to my boss, when I find out if I still have a job that will determine my future. If I do not, I will be on the hunt for a job, a new city, and a new school to call my home.

    Today is day 5 in a small hotel room with 2 other stressed out people where you can't take a shower without someone else having to pee or come in for some reason. This is getting harder. Harder b/c you feel bad for complaining, b/c everyone you talk to has a their own problems right now, no one to really listen, makes you feel lost and alone. And even typing this makes me feel like I'm asking for sympathy, when I'm not, only needing to vent a little. sorry....



    Edited by justalittletri 2005-09-01 1:50 PM
    2005-09-01 1:56 PM
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    justalittletri - 2005-09-01 10:46 AM

    Talked to all my friends today. Not one of them plan to move back to new orleans. Most of them have jobs lined up in other cities already. My sister is going to Phoenix. I still haven't talked to my boss, when I find out if I still have a job that will determine my future. If I do not, I will be on the hunt for a job, a new city, and a new school to call my home.

    Today is day 5 in a small hotel room with 2 other stressed out people where you can't take a shower without someone else having to pee or come in for some reason. This is getting harder. Harder b/c you feel bad for complaining, b/c everyone you talk to has a their own problems right now, no one to really listen, makes you feel lost and alone. And even typing this makes me feel like I'm asking for sympathy, when I'm not, only needing to vent a little. sorry....

    Vent on!  Venting will help keep you sane.  Venting will help keep you from strangling one of your friends in their sleep. Vent vent vent!

    I am still collecting names and info about people who have places to offer, and things to send you and others in your situation, when the time comes. 



    2005-09-01 1:58 PM
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    madkat - 2005-09-01 1:56 PM

    Vent on!  Venting will help keep you sane.  Venting will help keep you from strangling one of your friends in their sleep. Vent vent vent!

    I am still collecting names and info about people who have places to offer, and things to send you and others in your situation, when the time comes. 

    Exactly! Vent away...that's what we're here for...

    2005-09-01 2:07 PM
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    Anyone need baby stuff? I have a ton that I was going to Freecycle.. I could send it on to whoever needs it. Boy stuff. I have extra scrapbook stuff too, tons of it. I know that it is not exactly a need right now but at some point people may need to re-create scrapbooks. I am happy to send it on when anyone is ready for it.
    2005-09-01 2:10 PM
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    Thanks for that website, Karen. Longview is 400 miles from NOLA which is a bit of a stretch from what they were asking, but I put my housing down anyways.
    2005-09-01 3:17 PM
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    Just wanted to share that after almost exactly 72 hours of gut-wrenching not-knowing, I got a phone call from my dad. My mom and dad are safe and whole, as is the place to which they evacuated and the cousins they were staying with. My dad drove into Long Beach MS to see his house today, where he got a cell signal and was able to call me.

    The house is standing. I don't know if it's habitable but it's standing. I still don't know where my grandmother is, or if she's safe. But my parents are OK. I can breathe a little bit again.

    Everyone who's still not in contact with family and friends, my heart goes out to you. If anybody from NO or the Gulf Coast needs anything, please don't be shy about asking.
    2005-09-01 3:19 PM
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    madeye - 2005-09-01 3:17 PM Just wanted to share that after almost exactly 72 hours of gut-wrenching not-knowing, I got a phone call from my dad. My mom and dad are safe and whole, as is the place to which they evacuated and the cousins they were staying with. My dad drove into Long Beach MS to see his house today, where he got a cell signal and was able to call me. The house is standing. I don't know if it's habitable but it's standing. I still don't know where my grandmother is, or if she's safe. But my parents are OK. I can breathe a little bit again. Everyone who's still not in contact with family and friends, my heart goes out to you. If anybody from NO or the Gulf Coast needs anything, please don't be shy about asking.

    So so glad to hear your parents are okay.



    2005-09-01 4:20 PM
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    H13 - 2005-09-01 12:43 PM

    The situation in New Orleans is turning dire. 

    I can hardly put myself in the situation but this is close:

    • The temperature is in the 90's with HIGH humidity.
    • You have NO place to crap or urinate.
    • You have been treading through waist deep water or higher.
    • You can not shower.
    • You have NO water
    • You have NO food.
    • You see babies and elderly DIEING around you in the street.
    • No one is talking to you or providing assitance
    • There is rampant fighting in the street at nights. 
    • There is no lighting, no electricity.
    • There are gangs walking in the streets with stolen guns.
    • There are police speeding by you but won't stop to help you out.
    • You have been in this situation for the 5th day.

    If the only way you can get attention is to shoot at police to get attention, then you just might have to do that.

    Just something to think about while we are sitting in our nice air conditoned homes with phones, tv, and internet.

    This isn't Iraq this is America.



    I keep hearing about al these things on CNN about so many people not getting any help. I guess I don't understand why. It would seem by the 5th day there would be some sort of help for these people...food, water...something. What about all the evacuees that were moved to the Astro Dome? Are they being tended to? I simply cannot wrap my brain around this. It reminds me a lot of how I felt after 9/11.
    2005-09-01 4:22 PM
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    madeye - 2005-09-01 3:17 PM

    Just wanted to share that after almost exactly 72 hours of gut-wrenching not-knowing, I got a phone call from my dad. My mom and dad are safe and whole, as is the place to which they evacuated and the cousins they were staying with. My dad drove into Long Beach MS to see his house today, where he got a cell signal and was able to call me.

    The house is standing. I don't know if it's habitable but it's standing. I still don't know where my grandmother is, or if she's safe. But my parents are OK. I can breathe a little bit again.

    Everyone who's still not in contact with family and friends, my heart goes out to you. If anybody from NO or the Gulf Coast needs anything, please don't be shy about asking.


    WONDERFUL news! Let us know about your Grandmother!

    Still praying...
    2005-09-01 4:29 PM
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    Please read the following message from the California Governor's Office of Emergency Services:



    Subject: Rescue Line for Victims

    State OES has learned that trapped victims on the Gulf Coast are calling family, friends, loved-ones, or anyone they can get a call out to in California asking for someone to rescue them.



    Refer these requests immediately to the US Coast Guard’s Rescue Line at 1 800-323-7233. Immediate assistance will be sent.



    Please distribute this information as widely as possible.





    Vicki Schlechter

    Executive Director

    CICP of Northern California

    1012 "S" Street

    Sacramento, CA 95814

    ph. 916.443.8796

    fax. 916. 443.0270

    2005-09-01 4:32 PM
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    Well this is a massive, massive catastrophe and the emergency infrastructure that's normally in place to deal with much smaller catastrophe's has been mostly wiped out. They are struggling to get the infrastructure back in place while at the same time make things happen.

    Not only is the emergency infrastructure a mess, our highways and means of transport are a mess. I think it's a case of everything that could go wrong, went wrong.

    One nursing home director said that they were well prepared for everything; they had 10 days worth of food. Except they never anticipated looters/marauders coming in with guns and forcing them out. They weren't prepared for that scenario. Who would ever think they would have to prepare for THAT?

    When Florida was hit by 4 hurricanes last week, the Governor was safely ensconced in the capitol where emergency services were managed and coordinated. They were able to quickly act once the storm passed. That's not the case in New Orleans.

    2005-09-01 4:48 PM
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    Talked to all my friends today. Not one of them plan to move back to new orleans. Most of them have jobs lined up in other cities already. My sister is going to Phoenix. I still haven't talked to my boss, when I find out if I still have a job that will determine my future. If I do not, I will be on the hunt for a job, a new city, and a new school to call my home.

    Alot of people will not return to New Orleans.  If you have to rebuild your home it will take over two years to rebuild it.  So most people are faced with just starting over now, or waiting months or years to start over.  If we didn't have a jobs to come back to, I think we would just stay in DFW as well.



    2005-09-01 7:45 PM
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    working out of pensacola this week and then temporary relo to tampa at companies request. we we're planning to leave new orleans but this isn't how we wanted it to happen. Out of 50 people that worked for me I am still missing 10 and it's really eating at me. The local parishes are begging the federal goverment for help but not getting much. the parish president in jefferson is begging the president for help all over the radio and the situation appears to be deterioting. Its so distressing.
    2005-09-01 7:52 PM
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    It just seems like chaso down there and it is. WTF is anyone doing to get help down there? I mean it's been days since the storm has passed and there's still chaos going on down there. I mean shouldn't they be flying tons of generators down there to get the pumps running? fixing the levee breaks? trying to get food and stuff in there? Having some people from the army patroling the areas? I mean there so poorly equiped to handle the situation and it doesn't seem like there's the rush to get things working again.
    2005-09-01 7:54 PM
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    It's a mess down there. I am disgusted by the looting and violence and on the other hand they probably wonder if they have anything to live for anymore.

    I know the human body needs water within a 3 day period but in that heat isn't dehydration setting in faster?
    2005-09-01 7:54 PM
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    Again, I want to say that if anybody needs anything, I'm happy to help, as are most of the other BTers who've posted here.  If you need money for your hotel room, food, phone cards, gas, just let me know.  When the time comes, if you need any household items, clothing, a place to stay, etc., we'll get that handled too.

    I know pride, and I don't want to suggest than anyone on this board can't take care of themselves, but I also know how expensive it is to live as a refugee.  Send me a PM or email me (krprice at rocketmail.com) and I'll gladly help or get help.

    I just got off the phone with my dad, and my cousin.  Seems Baton Rouge is taking in a very large number of displaced persons, and they're desperate for teachers, nurses, and other public service personel to help them deal with a sudden 50+% increase of people in the city.  At my cousin's nursing home, she said they're so desperate for nurses, they're only giving them the most cursory employment reviews before hiring.  My mother, who hasn't taught in LA for over 25 years, is considering going to be a teacher again.

    There are several organizations (listed in another thread) that are matching people who have room to people who need a place to live, all around the country.  My sister said that even in Kansas City, they're taking in whole families that have been displaced.

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