IM Bike training - thoughts on 100% interval training
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2011-10-06 2:28 PM |
Veteran 245 In T1 looking for my Schwinn Huffy | Subject: IM Bike training - thoughts on 100% interval training For various reasons, I'll be doing the last 7 weeks of IM training on my trainer (yeah, I know...that sounds dreadful, but it is what it is). I've use a set of Spinerval DVDs (about 6 of them ranging form 90 minutes to 3 hours..all part of their "Endurance Pak"), and like to watch those instead of TV because I tend to push harder and stay at/near my LT for most of the sesisons. Question: given the nature of Spinerval training (i.e. mainly intervals), if I use these for all my rides (including long rides where I'd combine several of the DVDs do to 5 and 6 hour rides), I would be doing 100% interval training during peak phase of IM training. I like that I'm getting more high intensity work than I usually do on the road, but concerned that, for whatever reasons, this may not be appropratie preparation for an IM. Would apprecaite any advice on this. |
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2011-10-06 2:29 PM in reply to: #3714047 |
Champion 9600 Fountain Hills, AZ | Subject: RE: IM Bike training - thoughts on 100% interval training Honestly, that doesn't sound too bad. If you can't ride long on the road, ride hard in the living room. |
2011-10-06 7:28 PM in reply to: #3714047 |
Master 2426 Central Indiana | Subject: RE: IM Bike training - thoughts on 100% interval training I've done endurance cycling for years & IMHO most still need some long rides to earn those butt callouses. Most winters my bike work is hard trainer rides w/reg intervals, but usu <60-90min sessions (for sanity reasons). On that 1st spring century the legs are usu OK (though not my peak form), but the ride is still a PITA (literally). Seems to take a few ~100+k rides to get comfortable in the saddle again. Not saying intervals are not good, but I think a few long slower (aerobic) rides are useful for most to re-acclimatize to distance cycling. I've read somewhere that the trend among IM elites is towards shorter more intense bike training sessions as more efficient use of training time. However those athletes have major experience in long bike legs (pacing/hydration/nutrition/equipment/etc.). |
2011-10-07 7:31 AM in reply to: #3714047 |
Master 2912 ...at home in The ATL | Subject: RE: IM Bike training - thoughts on 100% interval training I think it would be fine - but toss in a couple of the aero base-builders series spinervals for good measure. Still intervals, but longer zone 2 / zone 3 stuff. |
2011-10-07 11:16 AM in reply to: #3714047 |
Not a Coach 11473 Media, PA | Subject: RE: IM Bike training - thoughts on 100% interval training I'm curious what kind of 'high intensity' riding you are doing for 5-6hrs. In general, I think lots of intervals on the bike are fine. But in the last several weeks, you would ideally look to get more race-specific. Which means LONG, steady intervals (IM intensity or a little higher), staying aero, etc. Especially if you are planning on 5-6hrs of riding already. |
2011-10-07 1:22 PM in reply to: #3715127 |
Veteran 245 In T1 looking for my Schwinn Huffy | Subject: RE: IM Bike training - thoughts on 100% interval training JohnnyKay - 2011-10-07 11:16 AM I'm curious what kind of 'high intensity' riding you are doing for 5-6hrs. In general, I think lots of intervals on the bike are fine. But in the last several weeks, you would ideally look to get more race-specific. Which means LONG, steady intervals (IM intensity or a little higher), staying aero, etc. Especially if you are planning on 5-6hrs of riding already. Well, most of the Spinerval sets (at least on the DVDs I have) fall into several buckets..as examples: 1. Example 1: (on the longer DVDs) 30 minute set...first 10 minutes, alternate 1 minute with big chain on front, 15 on back...then 1 minute small chain ring on front, 15 on back (higher cadence)....next ten minutes, big chain ring on front, 15 on back...alternate in saddle one minute, out of saddle on next. After 1 10 minutes, soft pedal for two minutes before going to next ten minutes. 2. Example 2: 10 minute set...random gear settings every 30 seconds called out by Troy (big chain ring + 15 on back...then to small chain ring with 18 on back, etc.)...after ten minutes, soft pedal for a minute. So, when I said 'high intensity' I meant I tend to push it harder in these workouts than I would on a long, steady interval on the trainer...I just find it easier (less mind draining) to keep the intensity using the spinerval DVDs then a more steady, long ride.... but was sort of worried about what you point out....this approach is not as race-specific as the long, steady intervals. I'm really overthinking this, I know. |
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2011-10-08 1:09 AM in reply to: #3714047 |
Extreme Veteran 833 Strong Beach, CA | Subject: RE: IM Bike training - thoughts on 100% interval training I rode a 6:14 at CdA in my first IM based on 80% of my rides being on the trainer. Most of those sessions were in the 1-2 hour range at varying intensities. Averaged around 150 miles a week. Literally zero hill training. I did however ride at least 6 days a week, and often 7. FWIW I had less than 6 months bike base before my IM training started.
For AZ in November 100% of my training has been on the trainer. Same formula: 6-7 sessions a week, three being 2 hour rides, the rest 1 hour rides. I'm feeling stronger and fitter than ever and hope to go well under 6 hours on the bike. |
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2011-10-08 10:00 AM in reply to: #3716028 |
Master 10208 Northern IL | Subject: RE: IM Bike training - thoughts on 100% interval training Very nice! |
2011-10-08 1:07 PM in reply to: #3716027 |
Extreme Veteran 833 Strong Beach, CA | Subject: RE: IM Bike training - thoughts on 100% interval training Fred D - 2011-10-08 5:39 AM So far for AZ, yes. For CdA I had one 105 mile ride (organized century) and 2 or 3 60 mile rides.I'll get in a few 3 hour rides in the next month and maybe a 4 hour. My performance in CdA was all the validation I needed that it works for me. I finished quite comfortably in 12:23.jackson61802 - 2011-10-08 2:09 AM I rode a 6:14 at CdA in my first IM based on 80% of my rides being on the trainer. Most of those sessions were in the 1-2 hour range at varying intensities. Averaged around 150 miles a week. Literally zero hill training. I did however ride at least 6 days a week, and often 7. FWIW I had less than 6 months bike base before my IM training started.
For AZ in November 100% of my training has been on the trainer. Same formula: 6-7 sessions a week, three being 2 hour rides, the rest 1 hour rides. I'm feeling stronger and fitter than ever and hope to go well under 6 hours on the bike. I may not be reading this correctly, but is your longest ride 2 hours on a trainer for your IM?? |
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2011-10-08 5:52 PM in reply to: #3716352 |
Extreme Veteran 833 Strong Beach, CA | Subject: RE: IM Bike training - thoughts on 100% interval training Fred D - 2011-10-08 4:00 PM Yeah....probably. I may even do that ride on the road just to make sure the bike is 100%. For me it was a huge weight off my shoulders after CdA that I knew I could train for this distance without having to waste every weekend riding long. I'm a stay at home dad, so the more training I can do during the week the better off my family and I are. Plus, I'm just not a huge fan of being on the bike for long periods.jackson61802 - 2011-10-08 2:07 PM Fred D - 2011-10-08 5:39 AM So far for AZ, yes. For CdA I had one 105 mile ride (organized century) and 2 or 3 60 mile rides.I'll get in a few 3 hour rides in the next month and maybe a 4 hour. My performance in CdA was all the validation I needed that it works for me. I finished quite comfortably in 12:23.jackson61802 - 2011-10-08 2:09 AM I rode a 6:14 at CdA in my first IM based on 80% of my rides being on the trainer. Most of those sessions were in the 1-2 hour range at varying intensities. Averaged around 150 miles a week. Literally zero hill training. I did however ride at least 6 days a week, and often 7. FWIW I had less than 6 months bike base before my IM training started.
For AZ in November 100% of my training has been on the trainer. Same formula: 6-7 sessions a week, three being 2 hour rides, the rest 1 hour rides. I'm feeling stronger and fitter than ever and hope to go well under 6 hours on the bike. I may not be reading this correctly, but is your longest ride 2 hours on a trainer for your IM?? So it sounds like 4 hours will be your longest ride for this IM, correct? That makes more sense than 2 hours as a max. For my IM this year my longest ride was only 4.5 hours. |
2011-10-08 5:52 PM in reply to: #3716352 |
Extreme Veteran 833 Strong Beach, CA | Subject: RE: IM Bike training - thoughts on 100% interval training |