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 2011-10-18 4:42 PM |
Master  2426    Central Indiana |  Subject: Faster during taper????IM newb in 1st 3wk taper, so excuse a dumb question. Been following Fink Intermediate Program, and today's schedule (12 days pre-IM) was for 1hr AM swim & PM 45min Z2 run. AM swim was fine, then ran 51min this PM @ prescribed Z2 HR (127 bpm ave/139 peak). Weird thing was 8:38/m pace!?! (Verified my course by GPS mapping so not a miscalc of distance). This is >30sec/mi faster than my typical 1 hr Z2 run. Is this normal during taper phase, just a "good run" day, or should I scale back my effort to anticipated "race pace" during taper? Everything I've read says taper should be reduced volume but maintained intensity-- not going faster than training paces have been. I am confused. |
| 2011-10-18 4:56 PM in reply to: #3728993 |
Champion 7595  Columbia, South Carolina | Subject: RE: Faster during taper???? It sounds like you are training by HR. In that case, stick with it. The pace is what it is. Be happy that your training is paying off, and kill it in the race! |
| 2011-10-18 5:22 PM in reply to: #3729010 |
Master 2426 Central Indiana | Subject: RE: Faster during taper???? Experior - 2011-10-18 5:56 PM It sounds like you are training by HR. In that case, stick with it. The pace is what it is. Be happy that your training is paying off, and kill it in the race! While I prob peaked as cyclist a few yrs ago, no doubt I am seeing benefits of training in swim (PB 100M continues creeping down) & on run (mult PB's from 5k-HM). My concern now is I may "kill it" too early- either during my taper or way short of finish line. Or maybe I've just got too much time on my hands worrying about meaningless stuff. Need to get back to reorganizing my transition & special needs bags |
| 2011-10-18 5:33 PM in reply to: #3728993 |
Champion 7595 Columbia, South Carolina | Subject: RE: Faster during taper???? Stick to prescribed HR and if you put the hours in during training, you are putting yourself in the best possible position to do well. You can't repack your transition bag enough times.... |
| 2011-10-18 6:07 PM in reply to: #3728993 |
| Veteran 249 | Subject: RE: Faster during taper???? Oldteen - 2011-10-18 4:42 PM IM newb in 1st 3wk taper, so excuse a dumb question. Been following Fink Intermediate Program, and today's schedule (12 days pre-IM) was for 1hr AM swim & PM 45min Z2 run. AM swim was fine, then ran 51min this PM @ prescribed Z2 HR (127 bpm ave/139 peak). Weird thing was 8:38/m pace!?! (Verified my course by GPS mapping so not a miscalc of distance). This is >30sec/mi faster than my typical 1 hr Z2 run. Is this normal during taper phase, just a "good run" day, or should I scale back my effort to anticipated "race pace" during taper? Everything I've read says taper should be reduced volume but maintained intensity-- not going faster than training paces have been. I am confused. This is exactly why training based off HR is bad. |
| 2011-10-18 7:34 PM in reply to: #3729088 |
Champion 7595 Columbia, South Carolina | Subject: RE: Faster during taper???? rcntly4298 - 2011-10-18 7:07 PM Oldteen - 2011-10-18 4:42 PM This is exactly why training based off HR is bad. IM newb in 1st 3wk taper, so excuse a dumb question. Been following Fink Intermediate Program, and today's schedule (12 days pre-IM) was for 1hr AM swim & PM 45min Z2 run. AM swim was fine, then ran 51min this PM @ prescribed Z2 HR (127 bpm ave/139 peak). Weird thing was 8:38/m pace!?! (Verified my course by GPS mapping so not a miscalc of distance). This is >30sec/mi faster than my typical 1 hr Z2 run. Is this normal during taper phase, just a "good run" day, or should I scale back my effort to anticipated "race pace" during taper? Everything I've read says taper should be reduced volume but maintained intensity-- not going faster than training paces have been. I am confused. Care to elaborate? |
| 2011-10-18 7:44 PM in reply to: #3728993 |
Master 1468 Montgomery, Tx | Subject: RE: Faster during taper???? If the weather has changed where you are like here in Texas then that can give you 30 seconds with same/lower HR. Ps- do not get cought up with the HR naysayers. I did VERY well with fink on my first last year. |
| 2011-10-18 8:43 PM in reply to: #3729160 |
| Veteran 249 | Subject: RE: Faster during taper???? Experior - 2011-10-18 7:34 PM rcntly4298 - 2011-10-18 7:07 PM Oldteen - 2011-10-18 4:42 PM This is exactly why training based off HR is bad. IM newb in 1st 3wk taper, so excuse a dumb question. Been following Fink Intermediate Program, and today's schedule (12 days pre-IM) was for 1hr AM swim & PM 45min Z2 run. AM swim was fine, then ran 51min this PM @ prescribed Z2 HR (127 bpm ave/139 peak). Weird thing was 8:38/m pace!?! (Verified my course by GPS mapping so not a miscalc of distance). This is >30sec/mi faster than my typical 1 hr Z2 run. Is this normal during taper phase, just a "good run" day, or should I scale back my effort to anticipated "race pace" during taper? Everything I've read says taper should be reduced volume but maintained intensity-- not going faster than training paces have been. I am confused. Care to elaborate? HR can be affected by so many different things. There is not an exact correlation between HR and effort. The best way to dial in a run pace is to go do a 5K all out and then build your run paces based off that data. Testing should then be done every 4-6 weeks. The same philosophy applies to the bike (power test) and swim (1000 TT). |
| 2011-10-18 9:19 PM in reply to: #3729246 |
Champion 7595 Columbia, South Carolina | Subject: RE: Faster during taper???? rcntly4298 - 2011-10-18 9:43 PM Experior - 2011-10-18 7:34 PM HR can be affected by so many different things. There is not an exact correlation between HR and effort. The best way to dial in a run pace is to go do a 5K all out and then build your run paces based off that data. Testing should then be done every 4-6 weeks. The same philosophy applies to the bike (power test) and swim (1000 TT). rcntly4298 - 2011-10-18 7:07 PM Oldteen - 2011-10-18 4:42 PM This is exactly why training based off HR is bad. IM newb in 1st 3wk taper, so excuse a dumb question. Been following Fink Intermediate Program, and today's schedule (12 days pre-IM) was for 1hr AM swim & PM 45min Z2 run. AM swim was fine, then ran 51min this PM @ prescribed Z2 HR (127 bpm ave/139 peak). Weird thing was 8:38/m pace!?! (Verified my course by GPS mapping so not a miscalc of distance). This is >30sec/mi faster than my typical 1 hr Z2 run. Is this normal during taper phase, just a "good run" day, or should I scale back my effort to anticipated "race pace" during taper? Everything I've read says taper should be reduced volume but maintained intensity-- not going faster than training paces have been. I am confused. Care to elaborate? Pace can also be affected by many things. And there is even less correlation between effort and pace than there is between effort and HR, if conditions (temperature, terrain, hydration, nutrition, stress, etc.) are allowed to vary. Measuring effort is a matter of learning how conditions affect whatever measure of effort we care to adopt. OP has been (it seems) training by HR. On the assumption that he has been paying some attention to how conditions affect HR, he is in a better position to assess how conditions affect HR than he is to assess how conditions affect pace. Hence my recommendation to stick with what he knows (HR) rather than pace. |
| 2011-10-19 6:27 PM in reply to: #3728993 |
Master 2426 Central Indiana | Subject: RE: Faster during taper???? I have indeed been training by HR, though fine-tuned by RPE. My orig question was not about HR-based training itself, but if others have seen a bit of 'hyper-recovery' during a 3 wk taper. I have not noticed it on swim due to nursing a bit of swimmer's shoulder past few weeks, but I've felt particularly strong on the run (even considering weather conditions). |
| 2011-10-19 8:57 PM in reply to: #3730757 |
Champion 7595 Columbia, South Carolina | Subject: RE: Faster during taper???? Oldteen - 2011-10-19 7:27 PM I have indeed been training by HR, though fine-tuned by RPE. My orig question was not about HR-based training itself, but if others have seen a bit of 'hyper-recovery' during a 3 wk taper. I have not noticed it on swim due to nursing a bit of swimmer's shoulder past few weeks, but I've felt particularly strong on the run (even considering weather conditions). Yes, that's normal. It means that taper is working. Stick with it. |
| 2011-10-20 5:59 AM in reply to: #3730907 |
Pro 6011 Camp Hill, Pennsylvania | Subject: RE: Faster during taper???? Experior - 2011-10-19 9:57 PM x2. As the fatigue of your last build period dissipates, and your body adapts during taper, your pace at a given effort level will increase. It doesn't matter whether you're measuring that effort by RPE or HR.Oldteen - 2011-10-19 7:27 PM I have indeed been training by HR, though fine-tuned by RPE. My orig question was not about HR-based training itself, but if others have seen a bit of 'hyper-recovery' during a 3 wk taper. I have not noticed it on swim due to nursing a bit of swimmer's shoulder past few weeks, but I've felt particularly strong on the run (even considering weather conditions). Yes, that's normal. It means that taper is working. Stick with it. |
| 2011-10-20 6:31 AM in reply to: #3728993 |
Master 2426 Central Indiana | Subject: RE: Faster during taper???? Thanks for everyone's input! Just tryin' to get to the start line in best possible state (physically & mentally Edited by Oldteen 2011-10-20 6:32 AM |
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