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2011-10-31 3:23 PM

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Subject: Ironman lottery re-vamp officially explained

I hadn't heard of the "weighted" change, where you get credit for having entered the lottery in the past. The example used in the video says if you've entered the lottery 10 times in the past, you will have 10 chances instead of 1.

Interesting! 



2011-10-31 3:43 PM
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I love the change as well--maybe someday. One down, one scheduled in 2012......

What I don't love is the confusion about 70.3's. This was brought up on ST as well when this was announced earlier today. The video announcement you linked has the CEO specifically mentions "full" when referring to the 2010, 2011 and 2012 race requirement. Nowhere else is the term "full" mentioned--not on their website or the press release quoted on ST.

I'm going to assume it's 12 "fulls", because that's what the CEO referred to in the earlier podcast interview. But as mentioned, I'm still years away if ever.

ETA: Oh, and I also like the weighted advantage for previous entries. But with half of the Lottery slots now going to Legacies, gettting in through luck just got a lot tougher. Plus it seems to make the Passport nearly obsolete and irrelevent. I still think it's fair and agree the Legacies deserve first shot.



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2011-10-31 3:55 PM
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Subject: RE: Ironman lottery re-vamp officially explained

I like it.  I've still got some time, #5 and 6 next year, but since I don't see plans on stopping after that I'll start throwing my name in the lottery as well.  I figure if I can get in before I get to 12, cool, if not, that's cool too. 

2011-10-31 4:02 PM
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zed707 - 2011-10-31 3:43 PM

What I don't love is the confusion about 70.3's. 

Uugh exactly! That would be a huge game-changer if they included Ironman 70.3s or even the 5150 series (which technically is "Ironman-branded"). 

It's like they didn't think 1 step ahead and what questions were going to be asked. Basic stuff for communications/PR in any corporation!

EDIT: Saw on Facebook they answered the question:

Ironman branded refers to a full-distance Ironman event not an Ironman 70.3. All Legacy athletes must have completed full-distance Ironman events. FAQs can be found atwww.ironmanworldchampionship.com/qualification/



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2011-10-31 4:27 PM
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^^^ Wow, that was remedied quickly. Good for them, but I agree they should have thought of that before the announcement. That little double asterisk with the:

**2.4-mile swim, 112-mile bike, 26.2-mile run

Was not there about an hour ago.

Again, love the change.

2011-10-31 5:49 PM
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Subject: RE: Ironman lottery re-vamp officially explained

can someone give me the abbreviated version for stupid people (me)? 

All I remember before is that I pay 50 bucks or so to get picked.  If I got picked, the $50 was applied to the entry.  If I didn't get picked - I'm out 50 bucks.

NOW what do I do?

What can I do to help the odds? 

Nevermind, I watched that moving picture thingy  and the nice man on the screen told me what to do...

 

However, was I correct about the previous lottery?  Pay 50 bucks to have one shot at the 205 available spots against 50,000 entries?

How much does it cost now?



Edited by Kido 2011-10-31 5:59 PM


2011-11-01 6:58 AM
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Subject: RE: Ironman lottery re-vamp officially explained
All I can say is: I entered the lottery once, got my name drawn and had the experience of a lifetime. It can happen. Maybe it is just a money grab for the WTC but it sure worked out OK for me.

I have no affiliation with the WTC, this is not meant as an ad for them. I'm just saying, lightning can strike....
2011-11-01 9:51 AM
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Subject: RE: Ironman lottery re-vamp officially explained
Kido - 2011-10-31 5:49 PM

can someone give me the abbreviated version for stupid people (me)? 

All I remember before is that I pay 50 bucks or so to get picked.  If I got picked, the $50 was applied to the entry.  If I didn't get picked - I'm out 50 bucks.

NOW what do I do?

What can I do to help the odds? 

Nevermind, I watched that moving picture thingy  and the nice man on the screen told me what to do...

 

However, was I correct about the previous lottery?  Pay 50 bucks to have one shot at the 205 available spots against 50,000 entries?

How much does it cost now?

You're right. But now it's pay your $40 and you have one shot at 100 AG spots instead of 200. Because 100 of those previous 200 AG spots are now going to the "legacy" spots. Unless you have entered before; then you get that many more shots. 

I also think the whole part where you have to have done a full IM for the past two years and be registered for one the next year... is a wee bit complicated.

I like the concept of what they are doing, but they couldn't have made it more confusing.


From http://ironmanworldchampionship.com/qualification/

What is the 2012 Lottery entry fee?
Lottery Application $40.00 USD
Passport $50.00 USD-Additional membership and second chance.

What are the eligibility requirements for the 2012 Ironman Legacy Program?

To enroll athletes must meet all four of the following requirements*:

1.       Athlete must have completed a minimum of twelve (12) full-distance Ironman-branded** races (includes existing and past events) by December 31, 2011

2.       Athlete has never participated in the Ironman World Championship in Kailua-Kona, Hawai’i

3.       Athlete must have completed at least one Ironman event in 2010 and 2011

4.       Athlete must be registered for an Ironman event in 2012

*Legacy athletes will be required to submit their information during online registration.
**
2.4-mile swim, 112-mile bike, 26.2-mile run

 If I have applied for the general Ironman Lottery in the past, do I have an increased chance of being selected?
Beginning in 2012, athletes will also have an increased chance of being selected for the Ironman Lottery based on the number of consecutive years that they have entered.  For each year an athlete has registered since 2001, his chances increase accordingly.  For example, if an athlete has registered for every Ironman Lottery from 2001 through 2012, he will have increased his or her chance of racing in the 2012 Ironman World Championship by 12.  Passport Club membership would give the athlete an additional chance for a total of 13 entries.



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2011-11-01 11:14 AM
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Subject: RE: Ironman lottery re-vamp officially explained

I wonder how many people actually fit the legacy requirements.  12 full distances, already registered for a full in 2012, never been to Kona...

Seems like a very tight category?

2011-11-01 11:20 AM
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ajusf16 - 2011-11-01 11:14 AM

I wonder how many people actually fit the legacy requirements.  12 full distances, already registered for a full in 2012, never been to Kona...

Seems like a very tight category?



Don't forget you had to have completed a full IM in 2010 AND 2011... 
2011-11-01 11:22 AM
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ajusf16 - 2011-11-01 12:14 PM

I wonder how many people actually fit the legacy requirements.  12 full distances, already registered for a full in 2012, never been to Kona...

Seems like a very tight category?

I agree.  Probably tons of people who have completed 12 or more races.  The "never been to Kona" rule probably takes out a big chunk.  Then, the rule of completed a race in 2010 and 2011 would take out another big chunk since some people probably "retired" after '09 or '10.

The already registered part is easy to overcome because you can still sign up for races today and submit your "Legacy" application at a later date. 



Edited by japarker24 2011-11-01 11:24 AM


2011-11-01 3:40 PM
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How do they know how many times you've entered to lottery? Does it automatically add additional entries based on information pulled from their database or Active? Do you need to specify how many times you've entered the lottery when you apply again this year?

I plan on entering hoping I can get lucky. If no luck, then it's back to work for 2013 qualification.
2011-11-01 4:18 PM
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Subject: RE: Ironman lottery re-vamp officially explained
japarker24 - 2011-11-01 1:22 PM
ajusf16 - 2011-11-01 12:14 PM

I wonder how many people actually fit the legacy requirements.  12 full distances, already registered for a full in 2012, never been to Kona...

Seems like a very tight category?

I agree.  Probably tons of people who have completed 12 or more races.  The "never been to Kona" rule probably takes out a big chunk.  Then, the rule of completed a race in 2010 and 2011 would take out another big chunk since some people probably "retired" after '09 or '10.

The already registered part is easy to overcome because you can still sign up for races today and submit your "Legacy" application at a later date. 

I read an interview somewhere (ST article maybe?) where they explained that they had run the numbers to see what that would leave them and that criteria is what left them with a reasonable number of people who were eligible.  They figured it would still take them a few years to get through them all though.

2011-11-01 5:08 PM
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Subject: RE: Ironman lottery re-vamp officially explained
i heard it before on this forum and ill agree that to go in the lottery you should have to break a certain time depending on the course. it is a world championship and everyone else has to qualify via placing so why not the lottery people give a time qualifier to sign up?
2011-11-01 5:57 PM
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evb4mvp - 2011-11-01 3:08 PM i heard it before on this forum and ill agree that to go in the lottery you should have to break a certain time depending on the course. it is a world championship and everyone else has to qualify via placing so why not the lottery people give a time qualifier to sign up?

Hm?  Lottery doesn't require a time on any course, or having done an IM.  Just a post slot qualifier (at the 70.3 distance, I *think*) to qualify it

2011-11-01 6:33 PM
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I say divide the lottery spots into each age group for each race(may have to add a few), and have a lottery pick in each age group per race.......does that make sense?, it makes sense in my head...


2011-11-01 6:52 PM
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Subject: RE: Ironman lottery re-vamp officially explained

Anyone have any data on how many people apply to the 100 slots?  Someone previously said 50,000 entries.  If that is right, that gives a chance of 1 in 500?  Talk about a long shot! 

If I put $40 on a roulette wheel the odds of hitting a single number (1 chance in 37) pays off at 35 to 1 or $1,400.....so scaling that up to 1:500 and that $40 would pay $18,918.  :-)  Just trying to get my head around the odds.  :-)

 

2011-11-01 7:00 PM
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evb4mvp - 2011-11-02 7:08 AM i heard it before on this forum and ill agree that to go in the lottery you should have to break a certain time depending on the course. it is a world championship and everyone else has to qualify via placing so why not the lottery people give a time qualifier to sign up?

That would defeat the purpose behind the lottery.  It's set up so that those of us not fast enough to qualify can have a shot and 17 hours is the time to beat.  Also, if you're looking for a qualifying time there already is one which is being faster than those in your AG at an IM.

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