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2006-03-09 8:51 AM

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Subject: Reaching a biking goal...20 mph HIM
OK,

I started a poll, but this is what's really behind that thread...


I am signed up for a HIM (Steelhead) in August.

In my mind, I've set a "goal" of 20 mph on the bike. It just sounded like a nice, round, number...

In talking to someone who bikes a lot, this may be a very aggressive/optomistic goal...

So I thought about scaling back to maybe 18 or 19 mph as more realistic...

Then I thought "would 18 mph make me happy?" (Maybe, but I'm thinking this becomes more an expectation rather than a goal...)

I want to keep my aggressive/optimistic 20 mph GOAL.

Before you check my logs, no I haven't ridden much this winter, but I am hooked up with the GOLD HIM plan which has LOTS of riding. I have an older road bike ('87 Raleigh Technium) with aerobars (added this winter).

For you cyclists out there, what would I need to do in training to achieve this goal? How much time/mileage per week should I plan to try to get this good? Are there additional drills/skills/tricks? What would be some ways to measure monthly progress?

Thanks


2006-03-09 8:57 AM
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Just make sure whatever goal you set for the bike to save your legs for the run.  It's no fun running a 1/2 marathon on legs that are toast.  Good luck!
2006-03-09 8:59 AM
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Is it a relatively flat course? Climbing kills my average speed. I averaged 21 mph on my last Olympic, but a HIM is a different matter. You need to save some juice on for the run....no point doing 20, crater on the run....
2006-03-09 8:59 AM
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McFuzz - 2006-03-09 8:51 AM For you cyclists out there, what would I need to do in training to achieve this goal? How much time/mileage per week should I plan to try to get this good? Are there additional drills/skills/tricks? What would be some ways to measure monthly progress? Thanks

Yeah, RIDE LOTS!

Generally I quantify this as 100 miles per week, for a HIM you might want to up it by 50%. Purpose of this is to build your strength and endurance. Cycling training is no different than running training or anything else: first you build the base.

Once you've established this base and ridden this much for a couple months, THEN you can introduce tempo rides, intervals, big gear drills, etc.

Maybe use a shorter Time Trial as a way to measure progress (20 miles, even 10 miles?).

2006-03-09 9:00 AM
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Subject: RE: Reaching a biking goal...20 mph HIM
What is your average right now? Or when you were riding a lot?

I cycle, but I am not that fast... so I can't really give you advice on how to get the MPH average up, but I do know tha putting time in on the bike will help.

To me, 20 MPH for 50 ish miles, sounds hard and fast! Then again, I can only do around a 16 MPH average for 20-30 miles. And, I was only able to get my MPH average up from 13 MPH, to 16 MPH when I started riding 100 miles a week last summer.

100 miles a week was very easy to fit in though. I did a 40 miler on Sat, 30 miler on Sun, and 30 miler on Tuesday.


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2006-03-09 9:05 AM
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There is plenty of material on cycling and how to improve performance.

For a beginner, you need to ride a lot! As for how much mileage, that will vary & depends on many factors such as time available, & your condition. One good method to get faster is ride with others who will push you to ride faster...if you haven't, join a riding group that rides 18-24mph.

Log your times & pace so you can track progress...

Good luck!



2006-03-09 9:11 AM
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It's going to depend on the course as much as your legs. Check the results from the last few years and see what percentage of  men in your age group had an average bike speed over 20mph. Then ask yourself if you can reasonably perform in that percentile and not kill your run.

 

2006-03-09 9:14 AM
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A lot will depend on the course too.  I averaged 20 mph at Timberman, though I over-extended myself in doing so and was trashed for the run.  There's no way I can keep the same pace at Mooseman, since the course is harder.  I've done 22+ for an Oly on the Cranberry loop, but that's a lot flatter.  The hills will do you in.

Like Bear says, ride lots.  I think 100-150 miles per week as a steady diet for several years is really a good base from which to work.

 

2006-03-09 9:22 AM
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Reaching back to my past for an example I would ride about 200 - 250 miles per week (not including weekend races) during the peak season back in the day and averaged over 20 on all my training rides myself, then would average 24 - 26 in 40k TT's (oly. length for all th tri-geeks).

I would say if you put in 150 or so miles a week at 17 - 18 that come race day you should be able to comfortably do 20 average and still have legs for the run. Disclaimer - entirely course dependant of course.
2006-03-09 10:22 AM
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Can you ride 56 @ 20 mph now as a stand-alone ride? How about 22mph?

I'll chime in here as one of the "rode too hard (19.9mph) and was toasted like a cherry pop-tart for the run" in my first and only 1/2 IM. my best 1/2 marathon is 1:45 and I was 2:15 or some such crap for the run.

 

2006-03-09 10:27 AM
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ride_like_u_stole_it - 2006-03-09 10:22 AM

Can you ride 56 @ 20 mph now as a stand-alone ride? How about 22mph?

I'll chime in here as one of the "rode too hard (19.9mph) and was toasted like a cherry pop-tart for the run" in my first and only 1/2 IM. my best 1/2 marathon is 1:45 and I was 2:15 or some such crap for the run.

I'm not a professional coaching type and am just now starting to train via heart rate, but I would further qualify this: Until you can do a stand-alone 56-mile ride @ 20mph+ while remaining below your LTHR, then it is probably an unrealistic goal to expect to do so in between the swim and the run.



2006-03-09 10:34 AM
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First HIM?

20 mph is a realistic goal but I don't think you should go in thinking that way.  You really want to think in terms of riding as fast as you can following your race strategy dictated by HR and perceived exertion.  Working a little to hard on the bike so you can hit that arbitrary number can lead to a long painful walk.

Maybe you can go average 20 mph and stay 10 beats below ltr (or wahteverr your plan is).  I don't know - hopefully by the race you will.

2006-03-09 10:39 AM
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Thanks all,

This is exactly what I'm looking for.

Looking at 2003 results (the easiest to grab statistics from)

374 participants,

The 187th ranked bike time was 2:55:33 (19.1 mph)

The rank of someone finishing in 2:47:56 was #114 (30th percentile)

Obviously, lots of people finished in those 7.5 minutes, I'd like to beat the rush

Don't know how much the route has changed.
2006-03-09 10:45 AM
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Hey there,

I am a beginner to triathalon, but am a USCF official - I spend alot of weekends in a car following fields of 75 to 100 cyclists racing through New England.

I am not sure what an HIM is, but I am assuming that you will be solo as triathlon does not allow drafting?

Anyway, my advice to you is to hook up with cyclists in your area who are training for races. The one summer I raced, I was pretty fast because I was constantly chasing my husband and his friends. Riding with faster people makes you fast. You could also look for a road race in the area that is about the same length as the bike portion of your race. You will go faster than 20 MPH as you will have the advantage of drafting, but you will get a pretty solid of idea of what your effort will be over that distance.

I am not sure if this was helpful or not - but cycling is my favorite part of this whole thing!

Good luck!
2006-03-09 12:36 PM
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The bear is right. You might be able to knock out a 21 mph pace in a 50 miler today, but will you be able to run after? You have to think in terms of 3 here not one, and if you are training based on HR, PE power etc. you have to learn at what effort or intensity you can go the distance as fast and efficient as possible and still have gas for the next sport. Developing biking fitness takes time and "RIDE LOTS" (Bear 2004 or 2005 )

There is a common phrase at the end of every triathlon which goes like this: "I had an awesome ride, I even rode faster than I usually do, unfortunately my run sucked!" (I wonder why )

2006-03-09 12:40 PM
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Bahhh, cycling is everything!

Who cares if you only average 9's after busting out the fastest bike split in the field! It's all about speed baby, and that comes on the bike! 27 mph average here I come!!

(And then Rick woke up in a pool of his own sweat and vomit as he got smoked by even the slowest runners in the field because he pulled a 56 mile TDF time trial out on his bike and left everything on the pedals).


2006-03-09 12:42 PM
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LMAO! Well it is better to go down in style!
2006-03-09 1:46 PM
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I would tend to train with a LOT of miles above your goal speed.  Keep your cadence up in the 100's or 120's if you can.  That means your strong enough to push the gear you are in and not be whipped getting off the bike.

I don't normally ride that fast for distance rides.  I am working on speed, but many of the rides I do are with family riding along.  I am generally just happy to finish without crashing or losing someone.

2006-03-09 6:21 PM
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So much has been said and if this has probably been covered in some way. The long ride is a critical element to me. I think you should build your long ride up to 65 miles and get that distance several times. Additionally, I recommend doing one ride as a race simulation, because I think it helps you mentally. Put your bike where you can get your nutrition with a very limited stop and no bathroom breaks and go solo. My time on the simulation one month out was within a minute of the race time. Teaching your mind to focus on racing for 56 miles is almost as hard as teaching your body. I got 20.2 at Gulf Coast last year with a base of about 80 miles a week (wish I had been doing 100 but didn't have the time).

Everything the others said about HR is accurate. I did 19.2 in the race in 2004 but my HR was 15 beats too high and I knew it. Did it anyway, body revolted on the run. I kept HR in zone 3 this time and it was much better. I am still a lowsy runner but this time my pain was mechanical not physical.

Good luck and go spend $3,000 on a new bike, that always motivates me
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