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2012-02-01 10:03 AM

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Subject: More training = more Hunger. What to do?
The more distance and hours I train the more ravenous I become, and less able to controll my appetite. My body is looking like a linebacker now, not a triathlete. I want to go from Olympic to half ironman by late summer & loose 15 pounds. How do I do it?


2012-02-01 10:13 AM
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Subject: RE: More training = more Hunger. What to do?

Welcome to BT first of all.

You need to find some foods that are more filling than others and their nutritional value sticks around longer.  Look for stuff high on the GI scale like sweet potatoes and natural foods.

Another key is eating so that you have enough energy still left to train but not so much that your intake amount is exceeding your output total.  That is a tough thing to figure out when you first are starting because your body is going to crave the calories.  You have to determine what is needed and what is excess and draw the line there.

It takes some work but there are a lot of success stories on BT!

Good luck

2012-02-01 3:54 PM
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1. Use a food journal.  This way you know what you're eating and where you could be going wrong.  Figure out your goal cals for a normal day and aim to hit it.  On long run/ride days bump it up. 

2. What do your meals look like?  Sites like www.cookinglight.com and www.skinnytaste.com are your best friends.  Where as Paula Dean is the enemy.  LOL.  Make enough for 1 serving for dinner plus say a salad or steamed veggies.  Brown rice and sweet potatoes are good calls too for sides.  Any leftovers are lunch.

3. Failure to plan is planning to fail.  Map out all your meals from one grocery store trip to the next.  Buy only what you need and keep the junk out of your house so you won't be tempted to just snack on it. 

2012-02-01 3:54 PM
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Subject: RE: More training = more Hunger. What to do?
I've struggled with this too for most of my tri experience. What is working for me right now is a program called Racing Weight by Mat Fitzgerald. I'm doing his Kick Start book and I'm in week 4 of an 8 week Kick Start. It's working I have lost exactly 2 pounds a week for the last 3.
2012-02-14 9:37 AM
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Foods that will keep you fuller longer are generally high in protein. The more you exersize the higher the amount of protein you will need. Foods that are predominantly carbs will make you hungry faster, because your blood sugar will fluxuate more. You can still eat good carbs, just try to up your protein intake.

I find soups, stews, & chili's to keep me satisfied the longest (great in winter). Lentils, beans, chicken, & turkey are my primary protein sources. Eggs, pork, ham, fish etc on occasion mostly because I have fewer recipies that use them. Greek yogurt, fritata, banana or protein shake for breakfast.  Nuts & fruit for snacks. I like www.eatingwell.com. Their recipies and books have all the gram information on what you are eating. I've managed to lose 40 lbs in the last year, and run/bike/swim better than I have in my life and usually I don't feel ravenous unless its a very hard workout day and my calorie deficit is simply too large & I skipped breakfast. High intensity days I might eat as much as 80-100g of protein, according to MyFitnessPal. Also most of my recipies have lots of fiber from veggies; spinach, carrots, onion, cabbage, fennel etc. It helps make you physically full from bulk because it feels like you are eating alot. The beans help in this way too.

 Good luck!

 

 

2012-03-24 4:48 PM
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I feel your pain!  I'm in the same boat.  I've been training for my first 1/2 Iron and I feel like I'm starving all the time.  I know I'm not, one look at me and I clearly still have a good 10 pounds that can find a new home somewhere else.  I haven't really lost any weight during this process, though my endurance and strength have improved exponentially!! 

I even hired a nutritionist last summer to help me out with this and even she couldn't manage the hunger.  I've come to the conclusion that I need to just eat as balanced as I can (I'm 5' 10", 157lbs) and take in anywhere from 100-120 grams of protein a day.  I try to eat all my starchy carbs early in the day (oatmeal with breakfast, sweet potatoes or brown rice with lunch) and then only fiberous carbs with dinner.  I can have 4-5 cups of salad with a lean protein for dinner and most nights I still go to bed hungry.  Starchy carbs at dinner tend to keep me awake at night and give me heartburn, thus the reason I avoid them at that meal. 

Wish I had the answer, but I think being hungry is part of weight loss.  I really, really, wish it wasn't, but I think that's the reality for me anyway.  :-(



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Mrs Bru - 2012-03-24 6:48 PM

I feel your pain!  I'm in the same boat.  I've been training for my first 1/2 Iron and I feel like I'm starving all the time.  I know I'm not, one look at me and I clearly still have a good 10 pounds that can find a new home somewhere else.  I haven't really lost any weight during this process, though my endurance and strength have improved exponentially!! 

I even hired a nutritionist last summer to help me out with this and even she couldn't manage the hunger.  I've come to the conclusion that I need to just eat as balanced as I can (I'm 5' 10", 157lbs) and take in anywhere from 100-120 grams of protein a day.  I try to eat all my starchy carbs early in the day (oatmeal with breakfast, sweet potatoes or brown rice with lunch) and then only fiberous carbs with dinner.  I can have 4-5 cups of salad with a lean protein for dinner and most nights I still go to bed hungry.  Starchy carbs at dinner tend to keep me awake at night and give me heartburn, thus the reason I avoid them at that meal. 

Wish I had the answer, but I think being hungry is part of weight loss.  I really, really, wish it wasn't, but I think that's the reality for me anyway.  :-(

 

I agree with this. Just because we're hungry doesn't mean we need to eat. Hunger is the body's way of saying "you need to eat sometime soon" not "eat right now". Before we had access to food all the time (not that long ago) people were hungry before meals. I don't know when we as a society decided that we should never feel hungry. Probably around the same time we decided we should never feel sad, anxious, lonely etc. I think that hunger is not only a necessary part of weightless but it's also part of a healthy weight maintenance. Accept the feeling without trying to change it. Eat when it's meal time. Eat healthy choices. You'll be a healthy weight.

2012-04-29 2:00 PM
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Subject: RE: More training = more Hunger. What to do?
Food Journal-helps you figure out what's going on. Higher quality of food will make you feel more satisfied on less calories while changing your body composition (to become leaner). Racing Weight by Fitzgerald is a great book. Tells you all the things you need to keep in mind with food and nutrition in order to achieve an ideal body composition (food quality, managing appetite, food timing, etc)
2012-05-05 8:18 AM
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Hi Brian

I would like to know what foods you are eating, and snacking on. There is some good advice from others like eating a higher amount of protein. One thing that has worked for me is eating high fats and high protein in the day time and eating carbohydrates in the evening. The types of fat are from fish, olive oil, avacdo, nuts, eggs (with yoke) which are all good fats. It works well I can tell you. Check this link out and if you or anyone else has any questions feel free to contact me (its long but well worht reading

http://www.reactivetrainingsystems.com/articles/nutrition/10480-the-biorhythm-diet

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2012-05-05 9:13 AM
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Subject: RE: More training = more Hunger. What to do?

As a formerly obese person, it took a long time to dofferentiate between

Bloated

Stuffed

Full

Satiated

A little Hungry

Hungry

and HUNGRY!

Food Shakes

You can see that i have found  any gradients of hunger and fullness.  Maybe what you need to do is explore that hungry feeling and see how your eating affects the varous levels.

Food shakes is a special level of hungry, where I usually have done some big workoutand then jumed into some work project and then mowed the lawn, forgetting to eat.  Not a good thing.

I try to leave the table a little hungry and then enjoy snacks in the periods in between meals.

 

I can't eat to get bloated anymore.  It's like marathon running, you can't get there without lots of practice.  I don't go there anymore.

 

I am rarely full, mostly aim for satiated.

 

Anyway just another perspective.

 

gotta run

Bloated can be achieved at a big restaurant meal

2012-05-07 9:02 AM
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I'd be interested to hear what you are eating *during* your workouts.  A lot of endurance athletes try to lose weight by not eating during the workout, when that is actually really counterproductive.  By withholding during the workout you (a) lose workout quality (and therefore don't gain muscle / increase your metabolism) and (b) frequently finish your workout ravenous, both of which mean you have a harder time losing weight.


2012-05-07 10:05 AM
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Here is a great Link to an article about nutrition and what to do before, during, and after workouts.  

Now, I personally don't eat anything unless my workout goes over 2 hours.  This is such a grey area of personal choice, it is hard to say one way is better than the other, there is a lot of contradicting information out there, so be careful.  Listen to your body.  No one way has been proven to be better than the other. 

Just note that if you are trying for weight loss, go easy on the energy supplements.  They have extra calories in them that you probably don't need.   

2012-05-14 12:58 PM
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I have personally lost 50+ lbs and now kept it off for 4 1/2 months.

I really like the book Why we get fat by Gary Taubes.

He talks about the  fact that if we work out hard we will want to eat more food.

If we reduce our calorie intake we will be less active, its out body trying to self regulate.

Unless we have super human will working out and/or reducing calories will not create a significant weight change.

You must  change the set point of where  your body wants to be. 

I found the book fascinating and 100% correct in my case. Changing what I ate made the weight just fall off almost effortlessly.  It also gave me lots of energy and basically changed my life.

The diet he recommends is basically paleo with dairy allowed.

 

You can see my before and after pictures here (Lots of other stuff in that post, but the before and after pictures speak volumes):

http://unreasonablerocket.blogspot.com/2012/03/qucik-update.html

 

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2012-05-16 8:34 PM
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All the replies here so far have been spot on fantastic! If I may add my personal experience: I'm in the same boat as you are right now...and a lot of us here I presume. Here's what I've been doing that has helped: I focus heavily on the 2 Ps...Protein & Produce, when I'm not fueling for or during a very long workout (over 90min). Non workout fueling meals for me are egg whites (sometimes with one whole egg mixed in) with lots of chopped fresh veggies like bell peppers, green onions, mushrooms, spinach & tomatoes. Hot spices are also great to help bring on the full feeling you need keep the calorie count low, plus cayenne pepper is a fantasticly documented metabolism booster, so I add lots of turmeric (great anti-inflamitory) & cayenne pepper to my eggs & veggies.

Green smoothies are also great to keep you feeling very full without breaking the calorie bank. Right now I'm doing a very tastey cherry/Kale green smoothie. It contains: Vanilla Soy protein with Spirullina, raw foods green food powder, ground golden flaxseed, bee pollen, frozen black cherries, a banana, a big bunch of kale and sweetened with stevia. Mix with water and blend. Very tastey and very filling. You can mix and match just about any sort of protein, frozen fruit, banana & assorted greens based on your tastes. One of these smootiies lastes me through most of the late afternoon when I start work and can't eat until 4 or 5 o'clock.

Snacks for me that keep me feeling full include: an apple w/ 2oz of raw almonds and/or walnuts, raw veggies (celery, sugar snap peas, carrots, chopped bell peppers, cucumber slices, cherry tomatoes) with hummus, some sort of fruit (oranges, pears, mixed fresh berries, apples, bananas, etc.) with a cup of fat free Greek yogurt, Kashi or Forze granola bars w/ a cup of black coffee or tea (white, green, black or herbal depending on what I have with me at the time.

And dinners are usually baked fish (salmon, talapia, flouder, tuna, or other white fish), or bonless, skinless chicken breasts with steamed veggies (usually broccoli, cauliflower, brussel sprouts, spinach, etc) and either brown rice, quinoa or half a sweet potato.

You can see a pattern here. For me bread is always sprouted grain Ezekial bread. Peanut butter has to be natural ONLY, never the Jiff, Peter Pan processed stuff. My indungence is ice cream and it has to be the real whole natural stuff like Bryers. NOTHING PROCESSED WITH ARTIFICIAL ANYTHING.

Real food is always going to be more filling and far healthier than any sort of processed anything. I save the processed stuff for the sports nutrition, when I have to have it. Even then, I try to stick to the Honey Stinger products and cocnut water, but I'm not opposed to the more technologically advanced sports nutrition foods like the Gatorade/Poweraid, GUs, CHOMPS, etc. But those I restrict to long training and racing...which is what they are intended for.

I hope this helps. This is what has worked for me so far, I hope you can find what you need to work for you.
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