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 2012-02-23 3:32 PM |
Champion  9600     Fountain Hills, AZ |  Subject: Heel Strikers Unite!Apparently you are in VERY good company. Take a moment to scroll through some of these pics and begin to understand the difference between heel striking, heel touches ground first, vs. over-striding, heel hits in front of bodies center of gravity and assumes load. http://kevinmorris.photoshelter.com/gallery-image/Houston-2012-Olym... I stole this from a thread on S.T. Edited by bryancd 2012-02-23 3:32 PM |
| 2012-02-23 3:37 PM in reply to: #4063254 |
Master 1460  Burlington, Vermont | Subject: RE: Heel Strikers Unite! <<<<<< This guy. I have corrected my over stride. I will not be messing with my strike. |
| 2012-02-23 3:37 PM in reply to: #4063254 |
Extreme Veteran 492 NW Arkansas | Subject: RE: Heel Strikers Unite! Vindicated! |
| 2012-02-23 3:37 PM in reply to: #4063254 |
Master 1460 Burlington, Vermont | Subject: RE: Heel Strikers Unite! But man ... Hall sure looks perfect there. |
| 2012-02-23 3:38 PM in reply to: #4063254 |
Master 1460 Burlington, Vermont | Subject: RE: Heel Strikers Unite! And Meb in his "mid foot" sketchers. Ha! |
| 2012-02-23 3:43 PM in reply to: #4063267 |
Champion 9600 Fountain Hills, AZ | Subject: RE: Heel Strikers Unite! BernardDogs - 2012-02-23 2:37 PM But man ... Hall sure looks perfect there. He looks like he has a HUGE stride and in the second pic it looks like that heel is coming down! Scroll through some of the other elite men and you will see a lot of heels touching first. Wonder what their cadence is...or if they even care..  |
| 2012-02-23 3:44 PM in reply to: #4063254 |
Expert 1416 San Luis Obispo, CA | Subject: RE: Heel Strikers Unite! Yeah but...Born to Run...and Vibram...and marketing...and chia seeds... Somebody please tell them their doing it wrong! |
| 2012-02-23 3:48 PM in reply to: #4063254 |
Runner | Subject: RE: Heel Strikers Unite! It's impressive the amount of vertical they seem to accomplish with their feet, even when the lead foot is out in front. |
| 2012-02-23 3:53 PM in reply to: #4063299 |
Champion 9600 Fountain Hills, AZ | Subject: RE: Heel Strikers Unite! Scout7 - 2012-02-23 2:48 PM It's impressive the amount of vertical they seem to accomplish with their feet, even when the lead foot is out in front. Yeah, I noticed that as well. They seem so far off the ground when frozen in time like that. |
| 2012-02-23 3:56 PM in reply to: #4063254 |
Expert 2547 The Woodlands, TX | Subject: RE: Heel Strikers Unite! I'm not trying to take sides here, but there is a big difference between the heel touching the ground first and a heel striker, where you're landing with your weight on the heel. I didn't see any pics where the muscles were jolting (for lack of a better term) because they were landing on their heel. |
| 2012-02-23 3:58 PM in reply to: #4063309 |
Runner | Subject: RE: Heel Strikers Unite! bryancd - 2012-02-23 4:53 PM Scout7 - 2012-02-23 2:48 PM It's impressive the amount of vertical they seem to accomplish with their feet, even when the lead foot is out in front. Yeah, I noticed that as well. They seem so far off the ground when frozen in time like that. Hall & Ritz I understand a bit. They are taller than the others. But looking at Abdi, he seems to be floating. Of course, at actual speed, you don't really see it like that.... But if you think about it some, it makes sense; they have to swing those legs around in a full stride while running at a pretty good clip, so they have to spend a fair amount of time in the air. Nice shots of some of them in toe-off, too, which really highlights the extension of the trail leg, and where the lead leg is (usually up, knee bent). ETA: I also noticed the arm carriage, especially on the women, seems to bring the hand up and across center... Edited by Scout7 2012-02-23 3:59 PM |
| 2012-02-23 4:00 PM in reply to: #4063314 |
Runner | Subject: RE: Heel Strikers Unite! tjfry - 2012-02-23 4:56 PM I'm not trying to take sides here, but there is a big difference between the heel touching the ground first and a heel striker, where you're landing with your weight on the heel. I didn't see any pics where the muscles were jolting (for lack of a better term) because they were landing on their heel. Isn't the definition of a heel strike being that the heel touches first? Ultimately, the entire foot is going to touch at some point in the process. |
| 2012-02-23 4:02 PM in reply to: #4063314 |
Master 1460 Burlington, Vermont | Subject: RE: Heel Strikers Unite! tjfry - 2012-02-23 4:56 PM I'm not trying to take sides here, but there is a big difference between the heel touching the ground first and a heel striker, where you're landing with your weight on the heel. I didn't see any pics where the muscles were jolting (for lack of a better term) because they were landing on their heel. Meb has been pretty open/vocal about his attempts to transition away from being a heel striker. It's one reason, I think, Sketchers grabbed him. I recall an interview shortly after the trials where he was lamenting the fact that he felt himself heel striking during the race and that it still happens. Not sure I'd be able to find it, but he seems to think it's helping him. I'm not going to argue with the guy, but he's clearly still heel striking in that picture. |
| 2012-02-23 4:05 PM in reply to: #4063319 |
Master 1460 Burlington, Vermont | Subject: RE: Heel Strikers Unite! Scout7 - 2012-02-23 5:00 PM tjfry - 2012-02-23 4:56 PM I'm not trying to take sides here, but there is a big difference between the heel touching the ground first and a heel striker, where you're landing with your weight on the heel. I didn't see any pics where the muscles were jolting (for lack of a better term) because they were landing on their heel. Isn't the definition of a heel strike being that the heel touches first? Ultimately, the entire foot is going to touch at some point in the process.Agreed, Scout. Look at Hall in that photo linked above. He's clearly positioned to a forefoot strike. Compare that to Ritz at the back (I think that's Ritz) who appears to have landed more mid-foot, but it's hard to say for sure as he's about to toe off. |
| 2012-02-23 4:07 PM in reply to: #4063319 |
Champion 10668 Tacoma, Washington | Subject: RE: Heel Strikers Unite! Scout7 - 2012-02-23 2:00 PM tjfry - 2012-02-23 4:56 PM I'm not trying to take sides here, but there is a big difference between the heel touching the ground first and a heel striker, where you're landing with your weight on the heel. I didn't see any pics where the muscles were jolting (for lack of a better term) because they were landing on their heel. Isn't the definition of a heel strike being that the heel touches first? Ultimately, the entire foot is going to touch at some point in the process.And this has been a standing criticism of most of the studies to date -- no distinction between heel hitting the ground first, and heel hitting the ground in front of the center of mass (overstriding). They seem to think they're one in the same. |
| 2012-02-23 4:10 PM in reply to: #4063329 |
Champion 9600 Fountain Hills, AZ | Subject: RE: Heel Strikers Unite! briderdt - 2012-02-23 3:07 PM Scout7 - 2012-02-23 2:00 PM tjfry - 2012-02-23 4:56 PM I'm not trying to take sides here, but there is a big difference between the heel touching the ground first and a heel striker, where you're landing with your weight on the heel. I didn't see any pics where the muscles were jolting (for lack of a better term) because they were landing on their heel. Isn't the definition of a heel strike being that the heel touches first? Ultimately, the entire foot is going to touch at some point in the process.And this has been a standing criticism of most of the studies to date -- no distinction between heel hitting the ground first, and heel hitting the ground in front of the center of mass (overstriding). They seem to think they're one in the same. Exactly, resulting in all the confusion/marketing opportunity. That's why I made the distinction in my first post. One is relatively inconsequential (heel strike where no load is absorbed) vs. over striding heel strike where a braking force is applied through the leg. |
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| Expert 2547 The Woodlands, TX | Subject: RE: Heel Strikers Unite! bryancd - 2012-02-23 4:10 PM briderdt - 2012-02-23 3:07 PM Exactly, resulting in all the confusion/marketing opportunity. That's why I made the distinction in my first post. One is relatively inconsequential (heel strike where no load is absorbed) vs. over striding heel strike where a braking force is applied through the leg.Scout7 - 2012-02-23 2:00 PM tjfry - 2012-02-23 4:56 PM I'm not trying to take sides here, but there is a big difference between the heel touching the ground first and a heel striker, where you're landing with your weight on the heel. I didn't see any pics where the muscles were jolting (for lack of a better term) because they were landing on their heel. Isn't the definition of a heel strike being that the heel touches first? Ultimately, the entire foot is going to touch at some point in the process.And this has been a standing criticism of most of the studies to date -- no distinction between heel hitting the ground first, and heel hitting the ground in front of the center of mass (overstriding). They seem to think they're one in the same. Well, if the debate is what part of the shoe touches the ground first, then I would agree. who cares. If the debate is about where the body's weight comes down on the foot (which I always thought the debate was), then I would say that's a more significant issue. Sorry if I've been misunderstanding all this time. |
| 2012-02-23 5:06 PM in reply to: #4063431 |
| Champion 9600 Fountain Hills, AZ | Subject: RE: Heel Strikers Unite! No, you're not, TJ. You recognize the difference. Most people don't. Their perception of what it means to heel strike is incorrect as it's been perpetuated by shoe manufacturers as a catch all term for an improper running technique. Edited by bryancd 2012-02-23 5:06 PM |
| 2012-02-23 5:13 PM in reply to: #4063436 |
| Champion 7595 Columbia, South Carolina | Subject: RE: Heel Strikers Unite! bryancd - 2012-02-23 6:06 PM No, you're not, TJ. You recognize the difference. Most people don't. Their perception of what it means to heel strike is incorrect as it's been perpetuated by shoe manufacturers as a catch all term for an improper running technique. x2. And think about what would cause the impact forces to occur primarily through the heel -- overstriding. If you are landing under your center of gravity then, unless you are ridiculously dorsiflexing your ankle, your foot will very quickly roll over from heel to midfoot to forefoot, and the absorption of force is 'spread out' over the course of this rollover. If the foot (heel) strikes way out in front (overstriding) then the impact occurs before you can get your weight over your feet and roll through to the forefoot. In other words, land under your c.o.g. and the impact forces should take care of themselves. Nice pics. |
| 2012-02-23 5:13 PM in reply to: #4063436 |
| Elite 3779 Ontario | Subject: RE: Heel Strikers Unite! bryancd - 2012-02-23 6:06 PM No, you're not, TJ. You recognize the difference. Most people don't. Their perception of what it means to heel strike is incorrect as it's been perpetuated by shoe manufacturers as a catch all term for an improper running technique. I fell into this category. Tried to change to mid-forefoot strike, tried to use a less cushioned shoe = almost 2 months sidelined with calf issues. On the mend now that I've gone back to letting my foot fall more naturally (heel) and putting on cushioned asics again. |
| 2012-02-23 5:15 PM in reply to: #4063450 |
| Champion 9600 Fountain Hills, AZ | Subject: RE: Heel Strikers Unite! And most run injuries are the result of improper training not improper foot strike. I now it's not as sexy but it's usually the case. |
| 2012-02-23 5:22 PM in reply to: #4063455 |
| Elite 3779 Ontario | Subject: RE: Heel Strikers Unite! As the saying goes - if it ain't broke don't fix it. I tried the opposite and got broken in the process. |
| 2012-02-23 6:24 PM in reply to: #4063254 |
| Master 1460 Burlington, Vermont | Subject: RE: Heel Strikers Unite! This is me before I worked to correct my over extended heel strike ... also in the midst of some significant hamstring issues that finally caught up to me. I would have to nearly pole vault over my extended leg.  This is me after spending about 6 months with deliberate attention to reigning in my foot strike to more beneath my center of gravity. My heel still hits the ground first. I'm still a heel striker. The two pictures show me at nearly the same place in my stride (on opposite legs). I don't know if this helps illustrate the point or not.  |
| 2012-02-23 6:52 PM in reply to: #4063254 |
| Master 10208 Northern IL | Subject: RE: Heel Strikers Unite! I'm having trouble with the pictures, but I have a few of Crowie touching heel first, but the weight really hits when his foot is underneath. Edited by brigby1 2012-02-23 6:57 PM |
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