Power Output - Computrainer - How bad am i?
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2012-04-09 7:16 PM |
Greenville, SC | Subject: Power Output - Computrainer - How bad am i? Alright....I am still new to the biking part of this. I have been riding for about 3 months. I went for a Computrainer Threshold Test today. My average output for the test was 209 Watts.. I knew I was not a good cyclist.....but was actually surprised at the number being low. So...for those of you who know about Power....how poor is this? I am 42, 170 lbs, 6'1" and have run several half marathons and a full marathon last month.......didn't set a land speed record in any of them, but feel like I am in decent shape. Lastly, what suggestions do you have regarding bike training to increase power output? Thanks |
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2012-04-09 7:24 PM in reply to: #4139302 |
Regular 988 Westfield, IN | Subject: RE: Power Output - Computrainer - How bad am i? Ride more and ride harder. Best way to increase your power. I haven't done a threshold test but I did a max test and got up to 460w (20, 165lbs, 5'11") |
2012-04-09 7:26 PM in reply to: #4139302 |
Greenville, SC | Subject: RE: Power Output - Computrainer - How bad am i? My max was way up there....actually started too hard. Not sure what max tells you.....I was over 400 but there was no way I could sustain that for any distance. |
2012-04-09 7:39 PM in reply to: #4139302 |
Master 10208 Northern IL | Subject: RE: Power Output - Computrainer - How bad am i? It is what it is. Don't worry about others too much. Keep riding more and keep riding hard. It's how quickly you get there that will matter. When you saw your "max" at over 400, was that just a very quick couple sec spike? Having one is not really unusual when starting off. I get them all the time. You'll get better at testing with practice and these will lessen. More so on the trainer. I still get them outside quite a bit. I'm thinking what you saw is different than what Indiana Cyclist means. Indiana Cyclist, what did you do for this "max test"? I would think you could go well past 460 in a couple sec spike, which is likely what NeverEnough saw for his reported value. |
2012-04-09 7:40 PM in reply to: #4139302 |
Veteran 307 Liberty Lake, WA | Subject: RE: Power Output - Computrainer - How bad am i? How long was the test. Did you have a strong fan, and was your average heart rate over the course of the test what you would have expected or lower? |
2012-04-09 7:42 PM in reply to: #4139352 |
Greenville, SC | Subject: RE: Power Output - Computrainer - How bad am i? xine2kgts - 2012-04-09 8:40 PM How long was the test. Did you have a strong fan, and was your average heart rate over the course of the test what you would have expected or lower? It was a 20 minute TH test. There were fans....it was not too hot...I have sweated much more before. Heart rate was actually where I would have guessed it was, for how I felt.....pretty high. I was toast when done with the test. |
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2012-04-09 7:46 PM in reply to: #4139302 |
Veteran 307 Liberty Lake, WA | Subject: RE: Power Output - Computrainer - How bad am i? Have you ever tested your heart rate outside before or done a heart rate only test? I'm asking because if you averaged a lower hr than usual you may just not have been on your game today or didn't push as hard as you have in the past. |
2012-04-09 7:58 PM in reply to: #4139302 |
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2012-04-09 8:01 PM in reply to: #4139392 |
Greenville, SC | Subject: RE: Power Output - Computrainer - How bad am i? Not looking to be "elite" My goal is to finish a half IM with a respectable time....this year. Can you explain what the 2x20' @ 95% of the 209w means? Again...new to me.
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2012-04-09 8:08 PM in reply to: #4139302 |
Member 33 | Subject: RE: Power Output - Computrainer - How bad am i? http://www.cyclingtipsblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/powerprofiling.jpg
There's a W/kg chart to give you an idea of what the numbers mean. Others mention the books that will help you out. |
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2012-04-09 8:15 PM in reply to: #4139302 |
Coach 9167 Stairway to Seven | Subject: RE: Power Output - Computrainer - How bad am i? Don't overthink this. Do you own a power meter or did you just go use a CT to do the test? If you are new to riding, then pretty much any traiing you do will help raise that 20 minute number. But what you really want if your target is an HIM is the ability to sustain effort over much longer durations. If you are new to training, just start riding. If you are riding 3x per week, ride 4x. if your long ride is 30miles, add 5 miles on for a few weeks in a row then cut back. If you've never done any intensity, do one ride per week where you ride at the effort you tested with today, for chucks of at least 5 minutes at a time, up to 20 minutes at a time (ie 4 x 5', 2 x 10', 1 x 20', 3 x 8'...lots of variations on this, no magic). Don't worry about what a 'respectable' time is...just enjoy the training, put int he work and you'll improve. |
2012-04-09 8:16 PM in reply to: #4139412 |
Greenville, SC | Subject: RE: Power Output - Computrainer - How bad am i? DM67 - 2012-04-09 9:08 PM http://www.cyclingtipsblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/powerprofiling.jpg
There's a W/kg chart to give you an idea of what the numbers mean. Others mention the books that will help you out.
Awesome chart....should I be looking at the FT column?
AdventureBear.....I do not have a powermeter....I used the computrainer threshold test. Edited by NeverEnough 2012-04-09 8:18 PM |
2012-04-09 8:20 PM in reply to: #4139436 |
Member 33 | Subject: RE: Power Output - Computrainer - How bad am i? Based on your 209 value, yes. Can use the 1s/1min/5min/etc. as well to build your power profile. Some people will have higher values in one category than the others. Can use the testing to train where you're weakest... but for tri usually focus on the 20 minute FTP numbers. |
2012-04-09 8:26 PM in reply to: #4139436 |
Member 33 | Subject: RE: Power Output - Computrainer - How bad am i? http://www.joefrielsblog.com/2010/08/estimating-your-ftp.html http://www.trainingbible.com/joesblog/2008/01/ftp-and-power.html http://www.trainingbible.com/joesblog/2009/05/time-trial-pacing.html
There is quite a bit of information here... just use the search for more and start reading |
2012-04-09 8:40 PM in reply to: #4139302 |
Coach 9167 Stairway to Seven | Subject: RE: Power Output - Computrainer - How bad am i? So the first rule of testing is to throw out the first test. Since you won't be training by power, don't worry about what the numbers were. If you were to take this test again in 1 week I guarantee that the numbers will be higher becuase you'll do a better job of taking the test and pacing yourself. All the max tells you is how much you screwed up the test. if your max is teh same as your average..you probalby could have pushed a little harder. With your max being 2x your average, you definately burned matches at the beginning of the test and had less energy for later. This is really good learning for triathlon specific (ie time trial) efforts. What you can learn from this in your upcoming training is what that 20 minute effort felt like...especially the last 5-10 minutes of it...you reach a steady state of effort (also associated with a HR & a power at that effort) but sinc eyou don't have a power meter, you'll have to train by effort and/or HR. |
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2012-04-09 8:53 PM in reply to: #4139500 |
Master 2372 | Subject: RE: Power Output - Computrainer - How bad am i? AdventureBear - 2012-04-09 8:40 PM So the first rule of testing is to throw out the first test. Since you won't be training by power, don't worry about what the numbers were. If you were to take this test again in 1 week I guarantee that the numbers will be higher becuase you'll do a better job of taking the test and pacing yourself. All the max tells you is how much you screwed up the test. if your max is teh same as your average..you probalby could have pushed a little harder. With your max being 2x your average, you definately burned matches at the beginning of the test and had less energy for later. This is really good learning for triathlon specific (ie time trial) efforts. What you can learn from this in your upcoming training is what that 20 minute effort felt like...especially the last 5-10 minutes of it...you reach a steady state of effort (also associated with a HR & a power at that effort) but sinc eyou don't have a power meter, you'll have to train by effort and/or HR.
Agree - OP can probably pace better on a second test. One should never hit 400 watts in a 20 minute test unless their name is Boonen or Cancellara. And, frankly, I'd test outdoors for a 20 minute ride. I personally underperform heavily inside on that test. |
2012-04-09 10:36 PM in reply to: #4139403 |
Master 10208 Northern IL | Subject: RE: Power Output - Computrainer - How bad am i? Fred D - 2012-04-09 8:04 PM There is a lot to read on this. I would actually suggest reading Andy Coggan's book on racing and training with a power meter. In short 20 minutes riden at 195-209w with a short recovery and then repeat. There are many other threshold combos, but you have to ride hard to bump up that 209w number. There is much more to it than I am saying, so do a search or get the book. Good luck. This can be simple, but you seem to like learning things, asking a lot of questions. I would highly recommend a book like this as well because of that. It will explain things much better than what you'd get on a forum. The forum can help after finishing the book. To keep it really simple to start, 2 x 20 is usually done at 95-100% of FTP. FTP is typically ~95% of the number found in the 20 min test, but this depends on the exact test method used. I believe you are rather new to testing, so keep working at pacing for this. Especially evidenced by that spike you had before. You'll learn how to pace it better and improve some right away from that. You don't just want it to be exhausting, but a pretty level effort throughout the time period. |