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2012-06-25 7:44 AM

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Subject: How do you bike those really steep hills?
A few of my training courses, and race courses include short sections of really steep hills. Some might be an incline of about 15%

In the past I would get out of the saddle and try to just mash it out and keep the speed as best I could.

This past weekend I decided to try to stay in the saddle in a lower gear and take it more slowly. Hard to say, but I think I did a better job saving my legs for the rest of the ride. Of course, this meant I used to go up the hill about about 12 mph, but instead this time went up at about 8mph.

This particular hill was bad, but there are worse.

What do you do? Do you think it is always possible to stay in the saddle?



2012-06-25 7:47 AM
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It might be possible to always stay in the saddle, but I use it as an opportunity to stretch and give my rear a break.
2012-06-25 7:49 AM
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Subject: RE: How do you bike those really steep hills?

I typically do a combo of mash and saddle action depending on the length of the hill. When I'm out riding the best riders I see stay in the saddle longer and mainly use standing as a final alternative. I've also found that even though I think getting more vertical is more efficient if I bend over and just pop my butt up I can get more leverage and stay in good position too.

I'm thinking about starting some weekly hill repeat sessions with a local bike group here. After all the best way to get good at riding hills is to well ride hills again and again and agian . . . 

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2012-06-25 8:10 AM
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Subject: RE: How do you bike those really steep hills?

We had a hill this past weekend that was a 20% grade over only a 1/4 of a mile.  Needless to say, it was fierce.  I ended up getting out of the saddle, it was just easier for me at that short of a climb.  I saw a lot of people actually having to get off their bikes and walk up it as I was coming back down.  

I usually get out of the saddle for those types of climbs, so I would suggest do what you normally do.  

2012-06-25 8:31 AM
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Subject: RE: How do you bike those really steep hills?
i typically try to gear down to whatever will allow me to maintain a higher cadence.  might take a little longer than hammering the hill, but i feel a lot fresher at the top.
2012-06-25 8:41 AM
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Subject: RE: How do you bike those really steep hills?

This past weekend I decided to try to stay in the saddle in a lower gear and take it more slowly. Hard to say, but I think I did a better job saving my legs for the rest of the ride.

oh really... :P

 

I do a lot of riding in hills. If you want to get better at them, I'd suggest going up as hard as you can



2012-06-25 8:45 AM
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I normally stay in the saddle and keep a pretty high cadence going up the hill.  Although I like getting out of the saddle right before I go over the top to power over and build some speed up for the descent.

2012-06-25 8:54 AM
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Subject: RE: How do you bike those really steep hills?
Depends on race length for me, and the rest of the course. If it's the only hill on the course, I'd mash it out. But if there's other good hills, maybe play more conservative. Also, if it's a sprint course vs oly and longer, that should come into play as well. Sprint should be all out, well, the others too, but that depends on your bike fitness. 
2012-06-25 8:57 AM
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IMHO, you need to practice hill intervals.

That said, I try to maintain a minimum 75 rpm cadence on any hill climb - no matter what speed, just like those who use power meters and maintain certain wattages whether its 2 mph or 25 mph.

I get out of the saddle for two reasons, to stretch or to maintain the 75+ rpm cadence. Just lean back and spin. Just my 2 cents worth (which isn't a whole lot these days).

2012-06-25 8:59 AM
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Subject: RE: How do you bike those really steep hills?

Well, you went 8mph instead of 12mph.  That's a huge difference.  So yeah, you saved your legs, probably by staying closer to threshold instead of burning matches.

Training:  most of the time, go hard up the hills.  It's good for your soul.

Tri Racing:  Try to even out the power.

Bike Racing:  Depends. Probably hammer.

2012-06-25 9:01 AM
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Subject: RE: How do you bike those really steep hills?
Leegoocrap - 2012-06-25 8:41 AM

This past weekend I decided to try to stay in the saddle in a lower gear and take it more slowly. Hard to say, but I think I did a better job saving my legs for the rest of the ride.

oh really... :P

 

I do a lot of riding in hills. If you want to get better at them, I'd suggest going up as hard as you can



Interval training is one thing, but I've actually heard the argument that the extra time saved by goinig all out up a steep hill often equates to lost time later on the course.

I just don't know if that opinion is widely shared.


2012-06-25 9:10 AM
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JohnP_NY - 2012-06-25 10:01 AM
Leegoocrap - 2012-06-25 8:41 AM

This past weekend I decided to try to stay in the saddle in a lower gear and take it more slowly. Hard to say, but I think I did a better job saving my legs for the rest of the ride.

oh really... :P

 

I do a lot of riding in hills. If you want to get better at them, I'd suggest going up as hard as you can

Interval training is one thing, but I've actually heard the argument that the extra time saved by goinig all out up a steep hill often equates to lost time later on the course. I just don't know if that opinion is widely shared.

I don't know whether it is widely shared, but it is widely true.  If you kill yourself for 5 minutes, you will pay for it sooner or later.  That's why you should try to even out the power in a race.

In training, kill yourself.  It's OK.

2012-06-25 9:15 AM
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Subject: RE: How do you bike those really steep hills?
floyd5k - 2012-06-25 8:57 AM

IMHO, you need to practice hill intervals.

That said, I try to maintain a minimum 75 rpm cadence on any hill climb - no matter what speed, just like those who use power meters and maintain certain wattages whether its 2 mph or 25 mph.

I get out of the saddle for two reasons, to stretch or to maintain the 75+ rpm cadence. Just lean back and spin. Just my 2 cents worth (which isn't a whole lot these days).



I'm with you on the cadance, thing. I see this as possible at the 12% grade, but I just don't
see many bikers who can maintain that cadence - regardless of gear - at 14-15% grade.

I often try to train for this on the stationary bike, but its its very different being on the road, 1/3 of the way through a steep climb with doubts about your ability to keep going at that pace.
2012-06-25 9:27 AM
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Subject: RE: How do you bike those really steep hills?
One quote I saw on here rather early on (paraphrased): It isn't how you get up the hill, it is what you do when you reach the top that matters most.


The best answer, I think, is to take the maximum sustainable rate that won't have your legs paying the piper on the run.
If that means that you can get up out of the saddle and hammer up the hill, so be it.
If you have to sit back in the bailout gear and spin up the hill, then that's good, too.

Every hill climb has a delayed price tag in terms of fatigue... don't pay more for it than you can afford to.
2012-06-25 9:31 AM
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Subject: RE: How do you bike those really steep hills?
I don't. I walk. (Wish I could put this in pink.)  
2012-06-25 12:10 PM
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Experior - 2012-06-25 9:59 AM

Well, you went 8mph instead of 12mph.  That's a huge difference.  So yeah, you saved your legs, probably by staying closer to threshold instead of burning matches.

Training:  most of the time, go hard up the hills.  It's good for your soul.

Tri Racing:  Try to even out the power.

Bike Racing:  Depends. Probably hammer.

x2. And, no it's not possible to stay in the saddle all the time, depending on how steep the climb is. (Just look at my avatar. ;) )

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2012-06-25 12:39 PM
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Experior - 2012-06-25 7:10 AM
JohnP_NY - 2012-06-25 10:01 AM
Leegoocrap - 2012-06-25 8:41 AM

This past weekend I decided to try to stay in the saddle in a lower gear and take it more slowly. Hard to say, but I think I did a better job saving my legs for the rest of the ride.

oh really... :P

 

I do a lot of riding in hills. If you want to get better at them, I'd suggest going up as hard as you can

Interval training is one thing, but I've actually heard the argument that the extra time saved by goinig all out up a steep hill often equates to lost time later on the course. I just don't know if that opinion is widely shared.

I don't know whether it is widely shared, but it is widely true.  If you kill yourself for 5 minutes, you will pay for it sooner or later.  That's why you should try to even out the power in a race triathlon.

In training, kill yourself.  It's OK.

Bike racing is a different story... it depends on the distance, where you are in relation to the other riders, are there people helping you on a break, etc...

2012-06-25 12:55 PM
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TheClaaaw - 2012-06-25 7:31 AM I don't. I walk. (Wish I could put this in pink.)  

I was waiting for a response like this...(P.S. fixed the pink for you

My technique, generally very slowly! Tongue out

2012-06-25 4:27 PM
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If the grade is truely over 15% for any extended period of time, you're probably better off standing up unless you have some ridiculous gearing.

2012-06-25 5:02 PM
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   It depends on your gearing.  Personally, I live in PA and there are many many hills here that I have no option but to get out of the saddle and mash my lowest gear.  I am actually looking into changing the gearing on my bike.  Right now I run 12-23 in the rear and I want to get something more broad range like 11-28 or 11-26. 

   Also, if at all possible, the more speed you have going into a hill, the further up you can get with less effort.

2012-06-25 5:24 PM
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jasonatkins - 2012-06-25 1:55 PM

TheClaaaw - 2012-06-25 7:31 AM I don't. I walk. (Wish I could put this in pink.)  

I was waiting for a response like this...(P.S. fixed the pink for you

My technique, generally very slowly! Tongue out

No no - I know HOW to put that in pink. But I can't, because I seriously can't bike up something like that yet.

There's a Cat 2 not far from my house I'd like to climb before the end of the season. I know I can get off and walk. It's the descent with switchbacks that scares me more.



2012-06-25 5:41 PM
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http://connect.garmin.com/player/192494577

I rode this hill yesterday.  I was standing up mashing the entire time going up.

 

 

2012-06-25 6:44 PM
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This is the profile of Saturday's ride. A mix of sitting and standing going up these. I anticipate when cadence may get too low and stand up before that happens. This helps to keep rhythm and momentum going. Do not wait until it gets to low, stay on top of things. I would also stand for bits on some of the longer ones to change it up a bit. I can sit or stand for awhile when cadence is in a decent level, but sitting is more efficient, so I do that more often.



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2012-06-25 7:16 PM
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Subject: RE: How do you bike those really steep hills?

Here's a ride with some climbs that will force you out of the saddle:

2012-06-25 9:15 PM
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Here is another brutal set of climbs:

http://www.altaalpina.org/challenge/links/3PassProfile.jpg

Nearly 110 miles & 11,000 ft of climbing + altitude.

Sometimes you have to just get up and mash.

Intervals really help as well as carrying momentum from the decent to the climb.

 



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