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2012-06-25 11:37 PM
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And thanks to Thomas for the list, I thought you were saying there was value in this new product, seems to me most of the things you listed were 910 specific.  That said, I still wouldn't wear a 910 in the pool .

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2012-06-26 12:53 AM
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I LOVE my 910XT.  But you know what I REALLY would find helpful?  A timer.  Whenever you hit pause, a simple timer would overtake the screen.  That way you know how long you've taken for the break before going on.  Or a field with a timer that activates when paused and resets to zero when unpaused.  I can never see the clock that far away with my foggy goggles (many goggles, many products tested....).
2012-06-26 8:12 AM
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Goosedog - 2012-06-25 12:16 PM

ChrisM - 2012-06-25 2:11 PMBut stuff like this is just overkill, IMO

You can have my SWOLF when you pry it from my cold dead fingers.

 



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2012-06-26 8:19 AM
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ChrisM - 2012-06-25 10:35 PM

Well, I come from a swimming background, not a triathlon background, which is exactly why I think it is a bit ridiculous.   I've been doing everything the new Garmin does since high school with either my timex wristwatch or the deck clock.  Thomas' list was interesting, but that's a 910, and frankly most of those things I am fine at (pacing, stroke count, intervals, reading the clock at night, etc.

But I know triathletes - including myself - love gadgets.  So if you can afford it, and it helps you swim more faster, go for it.  Hell, I just ordered a 910 so I can wear it for a full race and get my OW swims without going to gmaps



Chris, I agree with the 'in workout' sentiment that all you need is a pace clock and some brain cells. Even with oen of these gadgets you need to be able to "think on your feet" to ge tthe most from your workouts.

However...I like to record & log my workouts as accurately as possible. While I ended up selling my Swim Sense because it wasn't accurate enough (dropped laps) what I used it for was the ease of recording what I had already done.

In otherwords I didn't use it during the workout I just wore it. Afterwards I uploaded it and could go back and evaluate what had been done in the pool. Very much teh same way I use a powermeter, which costs 10x more. Sure I use it during workouts to a degree, but anymore I mostly use it to accurately record training stress and evaluate sessions after the fact. Durign the workouts I'm going by effort & time based parameters, similar to pool training.

Sounds like a great gadget to me if it is more accurate than the swim sense. The wireless function sounds awesome...no plugs or cords to deal with.
2012-06-26 9:37 AM
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ThomasGerlach ProTri - 2012-06-25 10:51 PMAs far as I can tell a lap counter doesn't give any benefit. 

It Counts Laps.  That's a benefit.  Granted not a huge one, but then again they don't cost much.  Its a benefit to anyone who 1) swims inside and 2) likes to think of things other than how many laps you've gone.  Plus, my masters group doesn't allow watches in the pool.

2012-06-26 10:00 AM
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One thing it's hard to do with a swimming pace clock and a wrist watch is to manage accumulated training stress in three sports. Using a Garmin 910XT (or other combination of devices), one can measure training and track in TrainingPeaks or RaceDay2 as Training Stress Score (TSS).

A lot of cyclists have powermeters and track performance and training using measures of TSS, NP, IF, etc. Or maybe their coach does it for them, with or without powermeters.

It's not ridiculous to track, measure and manage TSS for 3 sports, especially if you run, bike and swim 12-15 times weekly.



2012-06-26 10:36 AM
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Sorry I meant to imply there was no value to the lap counter over the 910xt.   As for Masters, well it is something you have think about it.   I often find that many Masters coaches and teams are "stuck" in there ways.  Sure, things like a pace clock are good, but the 910xt is better IMO.   I have a new Master's team myself - about 3 weeks old now.  Last night I told the coach that he can always give me criticism and that I am very open to feedback   He mentioned last night he doesn't care about my open turns and I knew at this point he was the right coach for me.  I had an old coach who made us take off our watches as well at practice and use the pace clock.  This is the wrong approach in my eyes.  If the coaches says no watches or pace clock I am fine with that as we are going based of feel which is a totally different training methodology.
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I just wanted to mention that I used a pace clock for the first time ever today in swim group (not Masters).  Woot woot =)
2012-06-26 7:01 PM
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GatorDeb - 2012-06-26 4:52 PM I just wanted to mention that I used a pace clock for the first time ever today in swim group (not Masters).  Woot woot =)

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