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2012-11-10 2:09 PM
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 I'm curious to see how this whole thing pans out when someone subject to mandatory DOT testing fails a UA in Colorado. It's legal now, so everyone should be allowed to participate if they choose. I guess the court system will have to decide if airline mechanics and train engineers have the same civil rights as their fellow citizens have. 


2012-11-10 2:50 PM
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mdg2003 - 2012-11-10 1:09 PM  I'm curious to see how this whole thing pans out when someone subject to mandatory DOT testing fails a UA in Colorado. It's legal now, so everyone should be allowed to participate if they choose. I guess the court system will have to decide if airline mechanics and train engineers have the same civil rights as their fellow citizens have. 

What you can do, and what you agree to do as terms of your employment are two different things.

Smoking weed isn't a right, and neither is driving or employment.

2012-11-10 6:55 PM
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powerman - 2012-11-10 3:50 PM

mdg2003 - 2012-11-10 1:09 PM  I'm curious to see how this whole thing pans out when someone subject to mandatory DOT testing fails a UA in Colorado. It's legal now, so everyone should be allowed to participate if they choose. I guess the court system will have to decide if airline mechanics and train engineers have the same civil rights as their fellow citizens have. 

What you can do, and what you agree to do as terms of your employment are two different things.

Smoking weed isn't a right, and neither is driving or employment.

Yep.  Alcohol is legal, but show up drunk and you're canned.  Same argument.

2012-11-10 7:03 PM
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powerman - 2012-11-10 3:50 PM

mdg2003 - 2012-11-10 1:09 PM  I'm curious to see how this whole thing pans out when someone subject to mandatory DOT testing fails a UA in Colorado. It's legal now, so everyone should be allowed to participate if they choose. I guess the court system will have to decide if airline mechanics and train engineers have the same civil rights as their fellow citizens have. 

What you can do, and what you agree to do as terms of your employment are two different things.

Smoking weed isn't a right, and neither is driving or employment.

Yep.  Alcohol is legal, but show up drunk and you're canned.  Same argument.

Yes but EtOH testing tests how much is currently in your system, not how much you had last night and have since metabolized. As far as I know there are no tests for whether or not you are currently under the influence of THC.

2012-11-10 9:02 PM
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trinnas - 2012-11-10 6:03 PM
TriRSquared - 2012-11-10 7:55 PM
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mdg2003 - 2012-11-10 1:09 PM  I'm curious to see how this whole thing pans out when someone subject to mandatory DOT testing fails a UA in Colorado. It's legal now, so everyone should be allowed to participate if they choose. I guess the court system will have to decide if airline mechanics and train engineers have the same civil rights as their fellow citizens have. 

What you can do, and what you agree to do as terms of your employment are two different things.

Smoking weed isn't a right, and neither is driving or employment.

Yep.  Alcohol is legal, but show up drunk and you're canned.  Same argument.

Yes but EtOH testing tests how much is currently in your system, not how much you had last night and have since metabolized. As far as I know there are no tests for whether or not you are currently under the influence of THC.

OK, I'll say it one more time... blood test, shows how much tetra 9 is in your blood. Problem is it get varied results depending on the person. It does not show up a month later. It is NOT the same to check for THC metabolites in urine which only shows you recently smoked weed.

2012-11-11 6:51 AM
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powerman - 2012-11-10 10:02 PM
trinnas - 2012-11-10 6:03 PM
TriRSquared - 2012-11-10 7:55 PM
powerman - 2012-11-10 3:50 PM

mdg2003 - 2012-11-10 1:09 PM  I'm curious to see how this whole thing pans out when someone subject to mandatory DOT testing fails a UA in Colorado. It's legal now, so everyone should be allowed to participate if they choose. I guess the court system will have to decide if airline mechanics and train engineers have the same civil rights as their fellow citizens have. 

What you can do, and what you agree to do as terms of your employment are two different things.

Smoking weed isn't a right, and neither is driving or employment.

Yep.  Alcohol is legal, but show up drunk and you're canned.  Same argument.

Yes but EtOH testing tests how much is currently in your system, not how much you had last night and have since metabolized. As far as I know there are no tests for whether or not you are currently under the influence of THC.

OK, I'll say it one more time... blood test, shows how much tetra 9 is in your blood. Problem is it get varied results depending on the person. It does not show up a month later. It is NOT the same to check for THC metabolites in urine which only shows you recently smoked weed.

Sorry I stand corrected, I must have missed the post where you said that. It has been a long time since I have had to worry about drug testing, unless you count my Lipitor.



2012-11-11 8:37 AM
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I'm just saying this will get tested. I know guys that will want to test this! Currently if we flag a breathalyzer or UA, we keep our job. The conditions to keep the job are pretty strict and most guys just quit and go work for another airline. Our HR dept. puts the guys on no notice testing, mandatory scheduled testing and mandatory rehab. It's was all black and white. Pot was illegal and testing would catch it. Show up drunk and testing catches it. Now pot is legal (in CO ) and you can't really determine when the guy last smoked. Our union will put this to the test the first time it happens. I'm just curious to see how it pans out.
2012-11-11 9:00 AM
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trinnas - 2012-11-11 5:51 AM
powerman - 2012-11-10 10:02 PM
trinnas - 2012-11-10 6:03 PM
TriRSquared - 2012-11-10 7:55 PM
powerman - 2012-11-10 3:50 PM

mdg2003 - 2012-11-10 1:09 PM  I'm curious to see how this whole thing pans out when someone subject to mandatory DOT testing fails a UA in Colorado. It's legal now, so everyone should be allowed to participate if they choose. I guess the court system will have to decide if airline mechanics and train engineers have the same civil rights as their fellow citizens have. 

What you can do, and what you agree to do as terms of your employment are two different things.

Smoking weed isn't a right, and neither is driving or employment.

Yep.  Alcohol is legal, but show up drunk and you're canned.  Same argument.

Yes but EtOH testing tests how much is currently in your system, not how much you had last night and have since metabolized. As far as I know there are no tests for whether or not you are currently under the influence of THC.

OK, I'll say it one more time... blood test, shows how much tetra 9 is in your blood. Problem is it get varied results depending on the person. It does not show up a month later. It is NOT the same to check for THC metabolites in urine which only shows you recently smoked weed.

Sorry I stand corrected, I must have missed the post where you said that. It has been a long time since I have had to worry about drug testing, unless you count my Lipitor.

So are you saying I'm officially right? Laughing

A law was not passed here to set the legal limit for under the influence. They wanted it at 5 nano grams of tetra 9. It ultimately did not pass because of the varied results... but you should have heard all the ridiculous reasons all the pot heads did not want a limit at all.

There has not been a need for "under the influence" tests with weed. But when there is a demand, it will be met. And right now, you can still be charged with UTI of drugs without a test. It happens all the time... direct observation, road sides, physical signs of impairment, admissions. This is nothing new.

You can't drive under the influence of drugs right NOW. You can't go to work UTI right now. There are jobs that you can not break the law with right NOW. There are employers that can fire you from alcohol use right NOW. This is not some bizzare circumstance that has no history or precedence like we are in some uncharted territory. The questions will be resolved.

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