Dedicated Ketosis Thread (Page 11)

I'm back on the NSNG train and plan to stay on it.

Absolutely hear that one.

Vinnie is just a good guy trying to do good.  That is all.

Originally posted by manfarr1974

Originally posted by jobaxas

For the Vinnie Tortorich fans.  I had a phone consult with him today.  The man is funny and wise.

He got me to rethink my training - keep it simple Jo.  Don't add intensity, Z2 is your friend, train in that zone and you will go faster by going slower.

Spoke some about nutrition and how to fuel on this very low carb regime.  I'm terified of giving up the Gu and the Gatorade etc. on race day and long runs.

But he says trust it.  Do what you would do normally - get up have your eggs and some cheese, have your coffee with thick cream and then go.  Nutrition during the race - Ucan, whey protein and some coconut oil will do it. (sounds like azz!)

Told me what I already knew - I can lose another 30lbs.  So onto that!

Just email him via his website if you want a consult (there is a cost)

I'm a big Vinnie fan - I went NSNG in Sept - lost 32 lbs to date, I think I have evened out...I do not do ketosis though - I eat lots of berries and don't want to cut back on them I am training for IMLP and I do trickle sugar in training as he suggests...It has worked incredibly well for me...it does take time for the body to adjust, but I have been going long on macadamia nuts and coconut oil and water and salt stick. I trickle sugar (as Vinnie has suggested) with Amrita bar, it has worked for me, and I only use it for training on long stuff.... my energy is much more even now going long instead of crashy like it was GU or Gatorade ... Personally the Ucan didn't work for me but it works for seemingly everyone else, but I have learned I do better on real food! You will have to try stuff and see what works for you. With Z2 - yup, it's true...stick with it you will get faster....but I have found dosing myself with some occasional speed combined with heavy Z2 work has helped me to get faster. Vinnie might disagree with my thoughts on that, but again, this is what has worked for me. Mandy

I'm training for three HIM and then a full in March - the three 70.3's are B races, let's keep the big one as an A race - I have no ambition, i want to finish, yeah be nice if I beat last year's HIM time of 7.40 sub 7 is a realistic target.

He said Z2 will help me achieve that.

I also got told the same thing from Macca and his coach - if you don't have the engine don't fine tune it with Z3 etc, just fix the engine first in Z2.  Intensity for me will come down the track.

The word ketosis appears nowhere in the book, but the principles of NSNG and endurance sports are topics we care about here. Check it out. For those who find the Angriest Trainer podcast too vulgar (and let's be honest, lately they're getting into that territory more often) the book pulls no punches but has fewer speedbumps for the easily offended. BTW you dn't need a kindle to buy and read kindle books, i have one, but primarily read my kindle library on iPad. You can get it for Pc or mobile devices too.

That's why I listen LOL!

Fitness Confidential read - loved it.  Will re-read when I get the real book.  It was tough on the iphone!  Guy makes sense.  He is so giving of his knowledge, I like that.  yeah he has a warped crude humor which makes me love him more.

I will check that out today! I am so glad to see more people coming out publicly about low-carb for endurance. At first it can feel like you're listening to one or two conspiracy-minded nutjobs since anyone can have a website or podcast. But when you see the mounting evidence, and the growing numbers of people, there is clearly something there.

Guess who was their guest on yesterday's podcast....

Can't get enough of the guy, thanks for the heads up!

Okay as a starting point start reading.  I would highly recommend the new Atkins book and website.  I would start listening to podcasts - Vinnie Tortorich is my choice but there are others.  With Vinnie there's a lot of fun around the serious stuff, but try episode 46 for the science behind the No Sugar No Grains stuff.  Podcast 53 The Andrea Anders interview for a real idea of what you can and can't eat.

And that's it - it's simple.  The first few days to one week are a bit of a struggle - reaching for the sugar coz you feel so lethargic.  But stick with it.

Anyway - good luck and let us know how you go.

Oh regarding breastfeeding I will ask Vinnie.

Once your body has adapted to this new way of eating (can take a while depends on the person) then occasional rice or oatmeal is fine.  Even an icecream every now and again - 'put the life into living' (Vinnie Tortorich)

I had my gall bladder removed 7 years ago - my only issue is occasionally avocado or shrimp make my blood pressure drop a bit - weird.  I have no problem processing fat.

I would try it - it could be the combination of fat and carbs that gives you problems.

Okay - there are two ways to approach this.

Either go headlong into dietary ketosis and stay there - no fruit really.

If you eat berries and nuts etc you will be borderline ketosis and still lose weight.  Episode 168 of Vinnie Tortorich he explains this.

Up to you.

I am not strict enough so i'm not in ketosis.  Atkins diets you go hardcore the first couple of weeks then re-introduce fruit.

Berries are lower GI.  If you're going the fruit, eat with heavy cream to get the fat in there.  Negates the sugar spike.  I like to eat cheese with my apple and I have strawberries with cream every day.