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2014-03-29 8:38 AM
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in my quest for healthy fat and low carb i stooped to a new low...sardines. better to be used as bait


2014-03-29 12:23 PM
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in my quest for healthy fat and low carb i stooped to a new low...sardines. better to be used as bait


Blend those bad boys up with some spinach, cream and water, call it cold soup and drink it out of a coffee mug. Then your living!
2014-03-30 5:06 AM
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sounds like something off "Fear Factor" : )
2014-03-30 11:46 AM
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sounds like something off "Fear Factor" : )


When on the diet I eat very few things. Two of them I am sure no one would eat. One is my daily green smoothie, kale, spinach, ginger, garlic, turmeric, celery. That is breakfast. The other is lunch/snack which is chick broth with coconut oil and cream. Neither tastes especially good but both are quite satisfying and provide me with energy.

2014-03-31 11:56 AM
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Originally posted by BigDH

Originally posted by TheCuse

sounds like something off "Fear Factor" : )


When on the diet I eat very few things. Two of them I am sure no one would eat. One is my daily green smoothie, kale, spinach, ginger, garlic, turmeric, celery. That is breakfast. The other is lunch/snack which is chick broth with coconut oil and cream. Neither tastes especially good but both are quite satisfying and provide me with energy.




I was in a pinch last week and didn't emulsify my coconut oil into my coffee and heavy cream. needless to say it floats. And I still drank it.
2014-04-02 7:04 AM
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I go to a diabetic exercise forum and a guy there drinks straight olive oil when he cycles...i would think that could have catASStrophic consequences during an ironman


2014-04-03 7:13 AM
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Cuse - had to laugh.

DH - I've been known to eat some things people wouldn't touch, but I pass the crown to you. I love green shakes, but that's when I added an apple to them. Do melt a tsp of coconut oil, but I mix it into a cup of Diet Splash and drink it fast. Almost yummy. Mornings I add vanilla protein been my breakfast for weeks.

It is more sane to enjoy healthy food, esp. as done in Europe - as part of family and community interaction, but I believe this focus is going to get my body in a healthy state after years of overindulging and junk food.
Now it's eat to live/train not live to eat. Hope I can develop a healthier, non-obsessed relationship to food. Assume I will always have to stay vigilant though.

Have to remember how lucky I am to have access to so much good healthy food - we are quite lucky compared to most in the world.
Feel like I'm being a bummer. Must be because I only lost one lb. this week.

2014-04-03 12:11 PM
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Can I come play with y'all in the ketosis sandbox? I've been through Attia, Volek et al., and have been doing ketosis-type stuff for a month or so. In a grand gesture of freedom, I threw away the scale. I did, however, buy one of those blood meters. Anyone else do the finger-pricking routine to determine your ketosis level?

~~ kate
2014-04-03 2:47 PM
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Originally posted by GotBackup

Originally posted by BigDH

Originally posted by TheCuse

sounds like something off "Fear Factor" : )


When on the diet I eat very few things. Two of them I am sure no one would eat. One is my daily green smoothie, kale, spinach, ginger, garlic, turmeric, celery. That is breakfast. The other is lunch/snack which is chick broth with coconut oil and cream. Neither tastes especially good but both are quite satisfying and provide me with energy.




I was in a pinch last week and didn't emulsify my coconut oil into my coffee and heavy cream. needless to say it floats. And I still drank it.


I never emulsify. Just give it a good hard mix .
2014-04-03 4:40 PM
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i finger stick for blood glucose levels and use the pee strips for ketones...im sure the meter is 1000x better though!
2014-04-04 8:37 AM
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Here's a question for you. After I eat, my blood glucose levels are always 120 or so (finger method). And my blood ketone levels are almost always 0.2 or 0.3. I track my food on myfitnesspal and invariably stay below 50 g of net carb. (I exclude fiber and sugar alcohols from the calculation.)
Attia et al say that a minimum ketosis level is 0.5. The only times I surpass 0.5 is when I have a vodka/soda/lime. (Alcohol, apparently, induces ketosis?)

Feeling great, mood is great, I can go forever at a slow trot, no cravings ... not so sure about the overall fat loss, however. I understand the dynamics of moderate protein (gluconeogenesis) and, like Mitzi, am a little confused about how eating dietary fat encourages burning your own fat. I do fat bombs from time to time (heavy cream, full test yogurt, mixed with a few walnuts sauteed in butter with a little xylitol and sugar free maple syrup). Try to keep my total Kcals at around 2400/day. Lunch is usually a big "foundation vegetable" salad w/ blue cheese dressing and either beef or chicken. Breakfast is a couple of strips of bacon. Supper is a meat and hot vegetable. Late night snack, maybe a couple of ounces of cheese. Pork rinds occasionally (have you tried Lawrey's microwave pork rinds? OMG.

Who ARE these people who burn a pound of fat a day?? I'm not gaining weight, but the body fat certainly isn't pouring off of me. If I've been doing this for a month or so, how is my blood glucose rising to 120 after I eat a meal of high fat, moderate protein, minimal carb? And why isn't my blood ketone level any higher than 0.3?

Any observations as to how to stoke the oven? I like this way of eating and intend to continue it, but would like to fast track the fat loss a little more.

~~ kate


2014-04-04 12:33 PM
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I found a lot of the weight loss is water in the beginning, I try to keep well hydrated, as for carbs, I stick to the 50g not the net or anything, if it says carb its a carb. I know people who can stay in ketosis eating 100g a day. I know when I Bike and run I keep in touch usually with the HRM and try to stay in Z2, maybe Z3, and will occasionally do interval stuff, but find I lose high end output in ketosis. HRM might be the best tool to train with, you can do one of the field tests, Joe Friel has one, but well worth knowing where you can perform and do a little math, but I don't think you can burn ketones in an anaerobic state, you shift to glycogen stores if I am not mistaken.

For the Glucose hitting 120, what are you eating, are you consuming hidden carbs? Starchy veggies, root veggies, legumes? Do you only eat when you're hungry? There is a shift there, and the induction phase is a beast for a lot of people, the headache and brain fog are nasty. You might want to drop the total carbs to a atkins induction model or maybe an AIP (auto immune protocol) diet and slowly add things back in.

Ketosis is a in or out type thing for the most part, you are either using ketones or not. You body loves ketones, but will be lazy and consume glucose if present, if you are consuming food that have carbs, keep to the low Glycemic foods as they keep the sugar from surging.

I have been hearing and reading more and more that weight loss if that's your goal is better achieved through HITT work, the cardio won't hurt it, but I think you need the body to replenish the Glycogen stores via gluconeogenesis preferably for the fat stores, it has been a long time since biochem. this would lead to the next question of protein and amount, I keep mine to ~ 100g. Its a self experiment type thing, the last thing is the vodka soda, once a week might knock you out of ketosis, even though you produce ketones, its how you feel that ultimately says how you're doing.
2014-04-04 5:39 PM
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How long after you eat are BG levels 120? and is 50g for the whole day? 120 is pretty high for a non diabetic on 50g/day and a lot of exercise. Check Your BG in the morning before you eat and let me know what it is.
2014-04-09 10:05 PM
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Kate, sounds to me like you are on a maintenance diet. 50 gms carbs and 2400 cals seem high to me. Is this a decrease from you regular cals?

I'm keeping my net carbs at 20-24 gms/day and cals under 1100. Comes out to 15% carbs, with fat and protein at about 40% each (some days my protein is higher.
I'm losing about 2lbs a week. It's amazing I have never been able to control my food and eat this low amount. Don't have hunger (nothing I can't handle) and no cravings. If I'm hungry I'll have a cheese stick, 8 almonds, or a 100 cal EAS low carb drink (2.5gms fat, 1 or 2gms carbs and 17 gms. protein). Have been able to run 20-25 mins on treadmill and do 45 mins. on stationary bike.

This is obviously not maintainable, but have been doing it for 2 months - down 17 lbs., 10 more to go to be in the normal weight range. I'll slowly add in some carbs, never back to what I ate before. I'll slowly add some oatmeal, fruit, low carb breads, muffins (found Solom's Low-Carb Baking and Dessert Cookbook).

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2014-04-10 6:47 AM
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No weight loss this week. I know the argument that you have to eat enough calories to lose, but people do starve to death (not making light of it) so at some point the body just can't hold onto it's reserves. Not moving my body burns 1400 and I'm up and moving around. Lots of people worry about not getting enough calories and I don't see them losing weight, so I'm going to hang in there and hope that the weight will start coming off next week, the week after? I'll have to reevaluate then.
I do give myself up to 1250 on days I'm working out, which I haven't been doing enough of considering my training plan was to start this month.
I'm disappointed - I've been so strict.

Kate, another trick that worked for me (ignoring this weeks disappointment) is an evening snack of a cup of diet Tropical Splash (10cals.) with a teaspoon of melted coconut oil - 50 calories and it keeps the hunger away.
2014-04-11 4:45 PM
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Originally posted by Irnwmn

Here's a question for you. After I eat, my blood glucose levels are always 120 or so (finger method). And my blood ketone levels are almost always 0.2 or 0.3. I track my food on myfitnesspal and invariably stay below 50 g of net carb. (I exclude fiber and sugar alcohols from the calculation.)
Attia et al say that a minimum ketosis level is 0.5. The only times I surpass 0.5 is when I have a vodka/soda/lime. (Alcohol, apparently, induces ketosis?)

Feeling great, mood is great, I can go forever at a slow trot, no cravings ... not so sure about the overall fat loss, however. I understand the dynamics of moderate protein (gluconeogenesis) and, like Mitzi, am a little confused about how eating dietary fat encourages burning your own fat. I do fat bombs from time to time (heavy cream, full test yogurt, mixed with a few walnuts sauteed in butter with a little xylitol and sugar free maple syrup). Try to keep my total Kcals at around 2400/day. Lunch is usually a big "foundation vegetable" salad w/ blue cheese dressing and either beef or chicken. Breakfast is a couple of strips of bacon. Supper is a meat and hot vegetable. Late night snack, maybe a couple of ounces of cheese. Pork rinds occasionally (have you tried Lawrey's microwave pork rinds? OMG.

Who ARE these people who burn a pound of fat a day?? I'm not gaining weight, but the body fat certainly isn't pouring off of me. If I've been doing this for a month or so, how is my blood glucose rising to 120 after I eat a meal of high fat, moderate protein, minimal carb? And why isn't my blood ketone level any higher than 0.3?

Any observations as to how to stoke the oven? I like this way of eating and intend to continue it, but would like to fast track the fat loss a little more.

~~ kate


I think the big foundation vegetable salad with blue cheese salad dressing and beef or chicken is a mistake. True, Attia eats a salad as big as his head, but the guy works out like a beast and it is his first meal of the day. That salad has very little fat in relation to protein, I would guess. I will have a big salad for lunch here and there and I immediately feel an energy boost. I don't have a blood monitor but I am sure that salad pushes me a bit out of ketosis, or prevents me from staying deep. Also, a big salad for lunch leads to slight hunger pains that I do not get if I stick to just lettuce, or better yet nothing. If you want to eat that salad best do it near your workout and you probably will find minimal effects.

I don't know how to stoke the oven. I haven't seen huge weight loss. But I am lifting. Are you lifting weights, that might help actually. Lift something heavy.


2014-04-11 5:34 PM
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Kate - the idea is to get carbs so low that your body depletes them and has to turn to fat for fuel - ketosis. I used strips from the drug store that you pee on and it changes color depending on whether you have ketones in your urine, by product of fat burning. I'm happy that I'm not in a crazy hungry from crazy carb spikes, guessing I'm not too hungry as I've got lbs and lbs of fat to use for fuel.

Your body will also convert protein to a fuel source so you have to eat enough not to lose muscle, still not sure when the body goes for the fat vs. the protein.

How is it going?
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