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2013-03-04 2:46 PM in reply to: #4634940 |
Resident Curmudgeon 25290 The Road Back | Subject: RE: 2013 NFL Offseason Thread Does anyone outside Baltimore actually believe that Joe Flacco is more valuable than Drew Bree's? To either the team or the community? |
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2013-03-04 2:52 PM in reply to: #4645982 |
Elite 4564 Boise | Subject: RE: 2013 NFL Offseason Thread the bear - 2013-03-04 1:46 PM Does anyone outside Baltimore actually believe that Joe Flacco is more valuable than Drew Bree's? To either the team or the community?
That's another discussion I had this morning with my coworker. If the Ravens didn't pay him his money and say only offered hmi $15M/yr, would any other team have beaten their offer? I'm not sure they would have. |
2013-03-04 3:04 PM in reply to: #4645777 |
Veteran 1019 St. Louis | Subject: RE: 2013 NFL Offseason Thread jmk-brooklyn - 2013-03-04 1:11 PM scoobysdad - 2013-03-02 9:14 AM Baltimore just did the nearly impossible. They signed one player and made 31 teams better. Thing is, though: if you took a poll of NFL fans and asked them, “Would you take a SB victory even if it meant that you wouldn’t be competitive for the next 5 years?” a majority of them would say yes. If I’m a Ravens fan, I’d rather see a guy like Flacco get rewarded for bringing home a trophy than other guys getting huge contracts up front and not delivering, even if it means my team gets dismantled the following year. Even if you keep your SB-winning team largely intact, there’s still no guarantee that you’ll repeat. Other teams get better, your schedule is harder, and sometimes your star receiver shoots himself in the leg with an unlicensed handgun. People only say that before they win the Superbowl. Now that the hangovers are gone, I doubt you'll find too many Baltimorians (is that right?) willing to take that deal. St. Louis had not had a winning team since...well, ever. Then they win it in '99 and almost had another in '01. Within 5 years of that '01 season, the stadium was half empty and you could buy a ticket for $10. Games were getting blacked out, and the Rams are one of the first names that come up in any discussion of a new LA or London team. Of course, St. Louis is a horrible sports town for any sport other than baseball. But with that being said, I'd take 5 bad years for a Bears Superbowl. |
2013-03-04 3:57 PM in reply to: #4645992 |
Subject: RE: 2013 NFL Offseason Thread JoshR - 2013-03-04 10:52 AM the bear - 2013-03-04 1:46 PM Does anyone outside Baltimore actually believe that Joe Flacco is more valuable than Drew Bree's? To either the team or the community?
That's another discussion I had this morning with my coworker. If the Ravens didn't pay him his money and say only offered hmi $15M/yr, would any other team have beaten their offer? I'm not sure they would have. Hmmm...you know, it's not like there would be 31 other teams ready to sign Flacco for more than $12M per, but all it takes is one team...so you never know. But the key is the guaranteed money. $52 million is only 43% of the total contract. Not like the $60 million guaranteed that Brees got. Flacco gets the "prestige" of being the highest paid QB in the league (until Rodgers resigns), but he knows that if in 3 years he doesn't live up to that contract, he's going to either have to restructure, or get cut. Considering Flacco's young age, I'm guessing Baltimore is willing to gamble...but by no means are they "all in." Think of it similar to Sanchez's extension. It just so happens that Sanchez turned out to be a bigger bust than they thought...but the Jets are really on the hook till the end of 2013...and not 2016 like his contract implies.
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2013-03-04 4:13 PM in reply to: #4646014 |
Champion 7821 Brooklyn, NY | Subject: RE: 2013 NFL Offseason Thread kevin_trapp - 2013-03-04 3:04 PM jmk-brooklyn - 2013-03-04 1:11 PM scoobysdad - 2013-03-02 9:14 AM Baltimore just did the nearly impossible. They signed one player and made 31 teams better. Thing is, though: if you took a poll of NFL fans and asked them, “Would you take a SB victory even if it meant that you wouldn’t be competitive for the next 5 years?” a majority of them would say yes. If I’m a Ravens fan, I’d rather see a guy like Flacco get rewarded for bringing home a trophy than other guys getting huge contracts up front and not delivering, even if it means my team gets dismantled the following year. Even if you keep your SB-winning team largely intact, there’s still no guarantee that you’ll repeat. Other teams get better, your schedule is harder, and sometimes your star receiver shoots himself in the leg with an unlicensed handgun. People only say that before they win the Superbowl. Now that the hangovers are gone, I doubt you'll find too many Baltimorians (is that right?) willing to take that deal. St. Louis had not had a winning team since...well, ever. Then they win it in '99 and almost had another in '01. Within 5 years of that '01 season, the stadium was half empty and you could buy a ticket for $10. Games were getting blacked out, and the Rams are one of the first names that come up in any discussion of a new LA or London team. Knowing Baltimoreans like I do (I used to be one), I think you’d be surprised. They’re pretty devoted to both the Orioles and the Ravens through thick and thin. They’ve supported the Orioles pretty consistently (granted not in the way they did in the 80’s and ‘90’s, but can you blame them?), and I think they’ll continue to support the Ravens even if they fall out of contention for a few years. Baltimore is a great football town that went for an unconscionably long time without an NFL team, so I don’t see them being greedy for a dynasty, especially when they’ve won 2 titles in recent memory. |
2013-03-04 7:28 PM in reply to: #4646111 |
Subject: RE: 2013 NFL Offseason Thread tri808 - 2013-03-04 11:57 AM JoshR - 2013-03-04 10:52 AM the bear - 2013-03-04 1:46 PM Does anyone outside Baltimore actually believe that Joe Flacco is more valuable than Drew Bree's? To either the team or the community?
That's another discussion I had this morning with my coworker. If the Ravens didn't pay him his money and say only offered hmi $15M/yr, would any other team have beaten their offer? I'm not sure they would have. Hmmm...you know, it's not like there would be 31 other teams ready to sign Flacco for more than $12M per, but all it takes is one team...so you never know. But the key is the guaranteed money. $52 million is only 43% of the total contract. Not like the $60 million guaranteed that Brees got. Flacco gets the "prestige" of being the highest paid QB in the league (until Rodgers resigns), but he knows that if in 3 years he doesn't live up to that contract, he's going to either have to restructure, or get cut. Considering Flacco's young age, I'm guessing Baltimore is willing to gamble...but by no means are they "all in." Think of it similar to Sanchez's extension. It just so happens that Sanchez turned out to be a bigger bust than they thought...but the Jets are really on the hook till the end of 2013...and not 2016 like his contract implies.
Interesting breakdown of the contract details. As I suspected, it's structured to work for both parties. Flacco gets a crap load of up front money in bonuses in the early years while the Ravens get a break on his cap number. But after the first 3 years, his cap number gets crazy, and most likely indicates the contract will need to be restructured. That's still a lot of money to give one player that's been "average" for most of his career...but given how profitable all NFL teams are, the actual money was never the issue...it was all about the cap implications. |
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2013-03-11 12:42 PM in reply to: #4634940 |
Elite 4564 Boise | Subject: RE: 2013 NFL Offseason Thread http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9040142/minnesota-vikings-trade-percy-harvin-seattle-seahawks-sources Bam, Seahawks are going to crush everyone next year. |
2013-03-11 12:52 PM in reply to: #4655186 |
Pro 5761 Bartlett, TN | Subject: RE: 2013 NFL Offseason Thread JoshR - 2013-03-11 12:42 PM http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9040142/minnesota-vikings-trade-percy-harvin-seattle-seahawks-sources Bam, Seahawks are going to crush everyone next year.
Wow, story I read did not say what they got in return!
nevermind, story updated! 1st rd 25th in 2013! Edited by jford2309 2013-03-11 12:53 PM |
2013-03-11 12:59 PM in reply to: #4655209 |
Elite 4564 Boise | Subject: RE: 2013 NFL Offseason Thread jford2309 - 2013-03-11 11:52 AM JoshR - 2013-03-11 12:42 PM http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9040142/minnesota-vikings-trade-percy-harvin-seattle-seahawks-sources Bam, Seahawks are going to crush everyone next year.
Wow, story I read did not say what they got in return!
nevermind, story updated! 1st rd 25th in 2013!
Reported Seahawks give up #1, #7, mid-rounder next year for Harvin and the Vikings 2nd round pick, per KJR950. Seahawks have tons of picks this year so no biggy. The 2nd rounder is a good return. |
2013-03-11 1:29 PM in reply to: #4655186 |
Champion 6056 Menomonee Falls, WI | Subject: RE: 2013 NFL Offseason Thread JoshR - 2013-03-11 12:42 PM http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9040142/minnesota-vikings-trade-percy-harvin-seattle-seahawks-sources Bam, Seahawks are going to crush everyone next year. Somebody better check and see if Percy WANTS to play for the Seahawks. Seems he doesn't just suffer from headaches, he's also pretty good at causing them. |
2013-03-11 1:32 PM in reply to: #4655282 |
Elite 4564 Boise | Subject: RE: 2013 NFL Offseason Thread scoobysdad - 2013-03-11 12:29 PM JoshR - 2013-03-11 12:42 PM Somebody better check and see if Percy WANTS to play for the Seahawks. Seems he doesn't just suffer from headaches, he's also pretty good at causing them. http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9040142/minnesota-vikings-trade-percy-harvin-seattle-seahawks-sources Bam, Seahawks are going to crush everyone next year.
The deal is contingent upon him signing a new contract in the next 48 hours I believe. |
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2013-03-11 1:43 PM in reply to: #4634940 |
Elite 4564 Boise | Subject: RE: 2013 NFL Offseason Thread This trade has some huge implications. Most likely, we have to cut Leon Washington now, $2.8M for a KR is too much with Harvin on the team. Flynn and his $5.3M salary, most likely has to be traded as well. Sidney Rice/Zach Miller are going to have to restructure or might get cut, having $30M tied up in recievers isn't going to happen. I'm super excited about this though. Imagine the read option with Wilson/Lynch/Harvin. Endless possibilities. Edited by JoshR 2013-03-11 1:44 PM |
2013-03-11 1:58 PM in reply to: #4655316 |
Champion 6056 Menomonee Falls, WI | Subject: RE: 2013 NFL Offseason Thread JoshR - 2013-03-11 1:43 PM This trade has some huge implications. Most likely, we have to cut Leon Washington now, $2.8M for a KR is too much with Harvin on the team. Flynn and his $5.3M salary, most likely has to be traded as well. Sidney Rice/Zach Miller are going to have to restructure or might get cut, having $30M tied up in recievers isn't going to happen. I'm super excited about this though. Imagine the read option with Wilson/Lynch/Harvin. Endless possibilities. Seems like a great trade for Seattle, I have to admit. Harvin fits right in that Pete Carroll speed mold, and Harvin can be a real weapon. I'm also happy to have Harvin out of the NFC North. I'm not sure the Vikings wanted to do the deal but Harvin basically left them no choice. |
2013-03-11 2:06 PM in reply to: #4655337 |
Champion 34263 Chicago | Subject: RE: 2013 NFL Offseason Thread scoobysdad - 2013-03-11 1:58 PM JoshR - 2013-03-11 1:43 PM This trade has some huge implications. Most likely, we have to cut Leon Washington now, $2.8M for a KR is too much with Harvin on the team. Flynn and his $5.3M salary, most likely has to be traded as well. Sidney Rice/Zach Miller are going to have to restructure or might get cut, having $30M tied up in recievers isn't going to happen. I'm super excited about this though. Imagine the read option with Wilson/Lynch/Harvin. Endless possibilities. Seems like a great trade for Seattle, I have to admit. Harvin fits right in that Pete Carroll speed mold, and Harvin can be a real weapon. I'm also happy to have Harvin out of the NFC North. I'm not sure the Vikings wanted to do the deal but Harvin basically left them no choice. Agreed. Seattle might be scary good this year if Wilson can avoid the sophomore slump. |
2013-03-11 2:06 PM in reply to: #4655337 |
Elite 4564 Boise | Subject: RE: 2013 NFL Offseason Thread scoobysdad - 2013-03-11 12:58 PM JoshR - 2013-03-11 1:43 PM Seems like a great trade for Seattle, I have to admit. Harvin fits right in that Pete Carroll speed mold, and Harvin can be a real weapon. I'm also happy to have Harvin out of the NFC North. I'm not sure the Vikings wanted to do the deal but Harvin basically left them no choice. This trade has some huge implications. Most likely, we have to cut Leon Washington now, $2.8M for a KR is too much with Harvin on the team. Flynn and his $5.3M salary, most likely has to be traded as well. Sidney Rice/Zach Miller are going to have to restructure or might get cut, having $30M tied up in recievers isn't going to happen. I'm super excited about this though. Imagine the read option with Wilson/Lynch/Harvin. Endless possibilities.
I think the trade was a win for both sides. There is no way he was going to come back and now MN has a 2nd 1st rd pick in exchange for him. |
2013-03-11 2:17 PM in reply to: #4655351 |
Champion 6056 Menomonee Falls, WI | Subject: RE: 2013 NFL Offseason Thread My only fear is that this trade increases the chances of Greg Jennings putting on a purple jersey about 100%. First Favre, now likely Jennings. Yeesh, that's hard on a Packers' fan's heart. |
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2013-03-11 2:27 PM in reply to: #4655371 |
Elite 4564 Boise | Subject: RE: 2013 NFL Offseason Thread scoobysdad - 2013-03-11 1:17 PM My only fear is that this trade increases the chances of Greg Jennings putting on a purple jersey about 100%. First Favre, now likely Jennings. Yeesh, that's hard on a Packers' fan's heart.
They might go after Wallace though. I'm not sure how appealing Minnesota is with Ponder behind center. |
2013-03-11 3:39 PM in reply to: #4634940 |
Elite 4564 Boise | Subject: RE: 2013 NFL Offseason Thread Apparently SF felt left out. There is no way the superbowl isn't coming through the NFC West next year.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9040950/baltimore-ravens-trade-anquan-boldin-49ers-pick-sources |
2013-03-11 3:55 PM in reply to: #4655528 |
Champion 6056 Menomonee Falls, WI | Subject: RE: 2013 NFL Offseason Thread JoshR - 2013-03-11 3:39 PM Apparently SF felt left out. There is no way the superbowl isn't coming through the NFC West next year.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9040950/baltimore-ravens-trade-anquan-boldin-49ers-pick-sources Wow, for only a sixth rounder. Great deal for the 49ers. Also interesting with regard to the Ravens. Outside of Flacco, I'm not sure there's another Raven that performed better than Boldin in the playoffs. But they didn't want to pay him. I've come around on the Flacco contract being outrageous but all of a sudden there's a lot less money to go around to re-sign their own players. It looks like Paul Kruger is gone too. It's going to to be quite a showdown in the NFC West next season! |
2013-03-11 4:13 PM in reply to: #4655392 |
Elite 4547 | Subject: RE: 2013 NFL Offseason Thread JoshR - 2013-03-11 3:27 PM scoobysdad - 2013-03-11 1:17 PM My only fear is that this trade increases the chances of Greg Jennings putting on a purple jersey about 100%. First Favre, now likely Jennings. Yeesh, that's hard on a Packers' fan's heart.
They might go after Wallace though. I'm not sure how appealing Minnesota is with Ponder behind center. As a Vikes' fan, I'm not crazy about going out and grabbing Wallace. From what I've seen of him he seems to be a 1-trick pony (deep threat)...I will be interested to see what Percy's team pays Percy. I like Jarius Wright a lot...but he's not proven at wr. Ugh. I like Greg Jennings...but not for Greg Jennings money. |
2013-03-11 4:27 PM in reply to: #4634940 |
Subject: RE: 2013 NFL Offseason Thread I just wonder if Harvin can stay healthy. He's constantly battling migrane headaches which really isn't something that just heals. He's also had other injuries that have prevented him from playing a full season. Seattle paid very little for him as far as draft picks, but the bigger cost is the contract they will have to give him. It's a bit of a gamble, but if he can stay healthy, it should give them a dynamic weapon. Boldin to SF is crazy. SF has way too many draft picks as it is right now, so giving up a 6th round pick is actually a blessing for them because it's one less rookie they need to sign that probably won't even make the 53 man roster. |
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2013-03-11 4:59 PM in reply to: #4655585 |
Champion 16151 Checkin' out the podium girls | Subject: RE: 2013 NFL Offseason Thread ChineseDemocracy - 2013-03-11 5:13 PM JoshR - 2013-03-11 3:27 PM scoobysdad - 2013-03-11 1:17 PM My only fear is that this trade increases the chances of Greg Jennings putting on a purple jersey about 100%. First Favre, now likely Jennings. Yeesh, that's hard on a Packers' fan's heart.
They might go after Wallace though. I'm not sure how appealing Minnesota is with Ponder behind center. As a Vikes' fan, I'm not crazy about going out and grabbing Wallace. From what I've seen of him he seems to be a 1-trick pony (deep threat)...I will be interested to see what Percy's team pays Percy. I like Jarius Wright a lot...but he's not proven at wr. Ugh. I like Greg Jennings...but not for Greg Jennings money. Wallace: Feet of lightning; hands of stone. Guy can't catch a cold. |
2013-03-11 7:06 PM in reply to: #4655608 |
Elite 4564 Boise | Subject: RE: 2013 NFL Offseason Thread tri808 - 2013-03-11 3:27 PM I just wonder if Harvin can stay healthy. He's constantly battling migrane headaches which really isn't something that just heals. He's also had other injuries that have prevented him from playing a full season. Seattle paid very little for him as far as draft picks, but the bigger cost is the contract they will have to give him. It's a bit of a gamble, but if he can stay healthy, it should give them a dynamic weapon. Boldin to SF is crazy. SF has way too many draft picks as it is right now, so giving up a 6th round pick is actually a blessing for them because it's one less rookie they need to sign that probably won't even make the 53 man roster.
Aside from last year when the team put him on IR (partly for his attitude) he's only missed 3 games in 3 years. Not bad. |
2013-03-13 5:19 PM in reply to: #4634940 |
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2013-03-13 8:48 PM in reply to: #4658763 |
Elite 4547 | Subject: RE: 2013 NFL Offseason Thread JoshR - 2013-03-13 6:19 PM Wow.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9048556/wes-welker-agrees-terms-denver-broncos
I have to believe this was music to Danny Amendola's agent! Welker's departure made Amendola's acquisition imperative for the Patsies. |
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