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Tavon Austin is fast but he's also 5'8" and around 180. Sorry, that scares me at WR, not only for durability but just in presenting a target for a QB. Not sure I would risk a high pick on that, even if he could contribute as a PR/KR.

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I'm willing to take that risk (because I'm armchair quarterbacking of course). Steve Smith is about the same size, along with Desean Jackson. Austin is just a playmaker IMO. Look at the Oklahoma game. He filled in at RB and WR and had 80 yds receiving and over 300 yds rushing. The Seahawks also don't have anyone who is just lights out fast, so I think he would help. If they think they can trade back into the early 2nd and still pick him then that would be a good plan too I think.

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Rumors are Alex Smith is already a done deal to KC. I think it's a good move. No QB's worth their #1 pick.

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Rumors are Alex Smith is already a done deal to KC. I think it's a good move. No QB's worth their #1 pick.

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I am curious to see what the 49ers get for him. With the deal done this early, they have to be getting whatever they asked for. Hoping for the Chiefs first next year, more likely will be their second though.

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There's no way they give up a 1st. I'd guess a conditional pick with top end being a 2nd.

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JoshR - 2013-02-25 1:58 PM

There's no way they give up a 1st. I'd guess a conditional pick with top end being a 2nd.

33rd pick overall isn't a bad trade for Smith. That leaves KC with 1st overall and a second (albeit the very best second rounder possible) for Smith.

But, I'd guess that Reid wants Nick Foles from Philly. He always had a thing for him and that's his project.

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pitt83 - 2013-02-25 12:05 PM

JoshR - 2013-02-25 1:58 PM There's no way they give up a 1st. I'd guess a conditional pick with top end being a 2nd.

33rd pick overall isn't a bad trade for Smith. That leaves KC with 1st overall and a second (albeit the very best second rounder possible) for Smith. But, I'd guess that Reid wants Nick Foles from Philly. He always had a thing for him and that's his project.

That's way too high IMO for a guy who's best attribute is the ability to not screw up. If Bowe leaves, then he's going to struggle a lot I think.

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JoshR - 2013-02-25 2:07 PM

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JoshR - 2013-02-25 1:58 PM There's no way they give up a 1st. I'd guess a conditional pick with top end being a 2nd.

33rd pick overall isn't a bad trade for Smith. That leaves KC with 1st overall and a second (albeit the very best second rounder possible) for Smith. But, I'd guess that Reid wants Nick Foles from Philly. He always had a thing for him and that's his project.

That's way too high IMO for a guy who's best attribute is the ability to not screw up. If Bowe leaves, then he's going to struggle a lot I think.

I agree, but getting someone new is ALWAYS overpaying / reaching. Look no further than your beloved Seabags and their backup QB, Matt Flynn.

Seeing the deep need fro a QB in KC and the lack of better options, I'd take that chance that Smith would work. His fundamentals aren't bad as he's really only ever had the same system for a second season this very year. And he did very well with that consistiency.

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Cowboys to Win It All.....2013/2014 Champs.

Jerry Jones said so.....so we all believe it.

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Jerry Jones wouldn't know a good QB if he were hit in the head with a pass from one. I am a Cowboys fan, and Romo just doesn't have enough good leadership and play making ability to lead the Boys to the big dance. Of course, they are all a bunch of pre-madonnas. Romo is a better golfer than QB, period.

Glad to see there is some interest in Smith. I think he got a raw deal from Harbaugh. The guy had a great record when he went down with the concussion. I guess I can't argue too much as Kap lead SF to the SB, but come on. I don't know, maybe I am being too sensitive!

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pitt83 - 2013-02-25 12:12 PM

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JoshR - 2013-02-25 1:58 PM There's no way they give up a 1st. I'd guess a conditional pick with top end being a 2nd.

33rd pick overall isn't a bad trade for Smith. That leaves KC with 1st overall and a second (albeit the very best second rounder possible) for Smith. But, I'd guess that Reid wants Nick Foles from Philly. He always had a thing for him and that's his project.

That's way too high IMO for a guy who's best attribute is the ability to not screw up. If Bowe leaves, then he's going to struggle a lot I think.

I agree, but getting someone new is ALWAYS overpaying / reaching. Look no further than your beloved Seabags and their backup QB, Matt Flynn. Seeing the deep need fro a QB in KC and the lack of better options, I'd take that chance that Smith would work. His fundamentals aren't bad as he's really only ever had the same system for a second season this very year. And he did very well with that consistiency.

The Seahawks didn't overpay for Flynn. If someone else had stolen WIlson from us in the draft we'd have a starting QB for $6-9M/yr. Very reasonable. Now I'm not sold on Flynn from the little I've seen him in the preseason/blowout games but obviously the front office liked him. With their track record, I'd be inclined to believe them.

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JoshR - 2013-02-25 2:20 PM

pitt83 - 2013-02-25 12:12 PM

JoshR - 2013-02-25 2:07 PM

pitt83 - 2013-02-25 12:05 PM

JoshR - 2013-02-25 1:58 PM There's no way they give up a 1st. I'd guess a conditional pick with top end being a 2nd.

33rd pick overall isn't a bad trade for Smith. That leaves KC with 1st overall and a second (albeit the very best second rounder possible) for Smith. But, I'd guess that Reid wants Nick Foles from Philly. He always had a thing for him and that's his project.

That's way too high IMO for a guy who's best attribute is the ability to not screw up. If Bowe leaves, then he's going to struggle a lot I think.

I agree, but getting someone new is ALWAYS overpaying / reaching. Look no further than your beloved Seabags and their backup QB, Matt Flynn. Seeing the deep need fro a QB in KC and the lack of better options, I'd take that chance that Smith would work. His fundamentals aren't bad as he's really only ever had the same system for a second season this very year. And he did very well with that consistiency.

The Seahawks didn't overpay for Flynn. If someone else had stolen WIlson from us in the draft we'd have a starting QB for $6-9M/yr. Very reasonable. Now I'm not sold on Flynn from the little I've seen him in the preseason/blowout games but obviously the front office liked him. With their track record, I'd be inclined to believe them.

Maybe $6-9m is a relative OK risk, but they went hard after Flynn with a track record of <2 FULL GAMES. thinking he was their answer. Look at Castle, Kolb. Teams simply over-reach based on limited amounts of data when they want to fill holes. Especially at QB and cornerback (asagmuha). Smith has enough under him to at least make him worth that reach. A bigger body of work thatn the 3 above and Foles.

As for Wilson, he was taken late because he's short. Never m,ind he's a terrific athlete, a great leader and a fantastic player. He showed this in college and still he fell and fell in the draft. Seattle was fortunate he lasted and smart enough to take him.

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Alex Smith is the definition of an average NFL QB. Through the 2011 season, he had a career record of 31 - 34 and career passer rating rating of 79.1.

As San Fran and Harbaugh learned, when Smith is not asked to do much, he can be an acceptable game manager-type QB. Back in the days when he was asked to do more, he was a disaster on the verge of being released by the team that drafted him #1 overall. The parallels of Smith's career to Trent Dilfer's are striking, except of course that Dilfer got his ring. Any team that would pay more than a third rounder for the guy with the expectation that he is anything more than a placeholder/backup would have to be out of its gourd.

But this year is a weak year for QB's in the draft. A team like Arizona might be satisfied with a placeholder while they fill in other holes using the draft. I would be surprised if KC takes Smith, unless Andy Reid really thinks he can still develop him into something better. At this point, I just don't think that's possible.

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scoobysdad - 2013-02-25 11:55 AM Alex Smith is the definition of an average NFL QB. Through the 2011 season, he had a career record of 31 - 34 and career passer rating rating of 79.1. As San Fran and Harbaugh learned, when Smith is not asked to do much, he can be an acceptable game manager-type QB. Back in the days when he was asked to do more, he was a disaster on the verge of being released by the team that drafted him #1 overall. The parallels of Smith's career to Trent Dilfer's are striking, except of course that Dilfer got his ring. Any team that would pay more than a third rounder for the guy with the expectation that he is anything more than a placeholder/backup would have to be out of its gourd. But this year is a weak year for QB's in the draft. A team like Arizona might be satisfied with a placeholder while they fill in other holes using the draft. I would be surprised if KC takes Smith, unless Andy Reid really thinks he can still develop him into something better. At this point, I just don't think that's possible.

I'm not sure that career numbers are the best measure for Smith. He played on some TERRIBLE 49ers teams. I am not sure Rodgers would have had a successful career in SF either if draft fates had been reversed. Terrible line play and no front office vision killed the team for 10 years. Our draft record with receivers is dreadful prior to Crabtree and we have had little to no one for Smith to throw to for most of his career.

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scoobysdad - 2013-02-25 11:55 AM Alex Smith is the definition of an average NFL QB. Through the 2011 season, he had a career record of 31 - 34 and career passer rating rating of 79.1. As San Fran and Harbaugh learned, when Smith is not asked to do much, he can be an acceptable game manager-type QB. Back in the days when he was asked to do more, he was a disaster on the verge of being released by the team that drafted him #1 overall. The parallels of Smith's career to Trent Dilfer's are striking, except of course that Dilfer got his ring. Any team that would pay more than a third rounder for the guy with the expectation that he is anything more than a placeholder/backup would have to be out of its gourd. But this year is a weak year for QB's in the draft. A team like Arizona might be satisfied with a placeholder while they fill in other holes using the draft. I would be surprised if KC takes Smith, unless Andy Reid really thinks he can still develop him into something better. At this point, I just don't think that's possible.

I'm not sure that career numbers are the best measure for Smith. He played on some TERRIBLE 49ers teams. I am not sure Rodgers would have had a successful career in SF either if draft fates had been reversed. Terrible line play and no front office vision killed the team for 10 years. Our draft record with receivers is dreadful prior to Crabtree and we have had little to no one for Smith to throw to for most of his career.

Were those 49ers teams terrible despite Smith or BECAUSE of him? Of course, it's likely partly both. But a GREAT QB, even a young one, can usually elevate an otherwise poor team, especially after a few years. As recent evidence alone, I point to to what Andrew Luck, RGIII and (maybe) Andy Dalton and Cam Newton did for their teams. To a lesser extent, you could even add Russell Wilson, although I think the Seahawks had a better core than any of the other teams I mentioned. Smith had several seasons to show whether he could carry a team-- the answer was an obvious "no".

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Cowboys are going to win the super bowl next year. You just wait and see!!!

Obviously Dallas needs an offensive line. And a defense. And an impact running back. And a QB who doesn't fold like a lawn chair every time a gust of wind breezes through.

But otherwise, they're solid.

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mr2tony - 2013-02-25 4:11 PM

Cowboys are going to win the super bowl next year. You just wait and see!!!

Obviously Dallas needs an offensive line. And a defense. And an impact running back. And a QB who doesn't fold like a lawn chair every time a gust of wind breezes through.

But otherwise, they're solid.

The equipment staff is solid.....been together since the 90's and the SB champ seasons. Those guys really know their stuff.

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Brady just signed a very team friendly 3 yr $27M extension. I bet he did while holding up a big middle finger to Flacco.

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scoobysdad - 2013-02-25 11:55 AM Alex Smith is the definition of an average NFL QB. Through the 2011 season, he had a career record of 31 - 34 and career passer rating rating of 79.1. As San Fran and Harbaugh learned, when Smith is not asked to do much, he can be an acceptable game manager-type QB. Back in the days when he was asked to do more, he was a disaster on the verge of being released by the team that drafted him #1 overall. The parallels of Smith's career to Trent Dilfer's are striking, except of course that Dilfer got his ring. Any team that would pay more than a third rounder for the guy with the expectation that he is anything more than a placeholder/backup would have to be out of its gourd. But this year is a weak year for QB's in the draft. A team like Arizona might be satisfied with a placeholder while they fill in other holes using the draft. I would be surprised if KC takes Smith, unless Andy Reid really thinks he can still develop him into something better. At this point, I just don't think that's possible.

I'm not sure that career numbers are the best measure for Smith. He played on some TERRIBLE 49ers teams. I am not sure Rodgers would have had a successful career in SF either if draft fates had been reversed. Terrible line play and no front office vision killed the team for 10 years. Our draft record with receivers is dreadful prior to Crabtree and we have had little to no one for Smith to throw to for most of his career.

Were those 49ers teams terrible despite Smith or BECAUSE of him? Of course, it's likely partly both. But a GREAT QB, even a young one, can usually elevate an otherwise poor team, especially after a few years. As recent evidence alone, I point to to what Andrew Luck, RGIII and (maybe) Andy Dalton and Cam Newton did for their teams. To a lesser extent, you could even add Russell Wilson, although I think the Seahawks had a better core than any of the other teams I mentioned. Smith had several seasons to show whether he could carry a team-- the answer was an obvious "no".

I'm with Scoob on this one. Alex Smith is an average quarterback...slightly above average at best. Honestly, the highest pick a team should give for him in my opinion, is a 3rd rounder. Personally, I wouldn't do it though.

Now how 'bout my Vikes? Yeah, we're not looking too good...but that's what everybody thought prior to 2012, and they made the playoffs. If Ponder can progress, and AP stays healthy, and we address our secondary, and we add a quality receiver, and we don't lose Percy Harvin...hmmm...yeah, I'd peg us at 8-8 if I worked in Vegas.

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scoobysdad - 2013-02-25 5:08 PM

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scoobysdad - 2013-02-25 11:55 AM Alex Smith is the definition of an average NFL QB. Through the 2011 season, he had a career record of 31 - 34 and career passer rating rating of 79.1. As San Fran and Harbaugh learned, when Smith is not asked to do much, he can be an acceptable game manager-type QB. Back in the days when he was asked to do more, he was a disaster on the verge of being released by the team that drafted him #1 overall. The parallels of Smith's career to Trent Dilfer's are striking, except of course that Dilfer got his ring. Any team that would pay more than a third rounder for the guy with the expectation that he is anything more than a placeholder/backup would have to be out of its gourd. But this year is a weak year for QB's in the draft. A team like Arizona might be satisfied with a placeholder while they fill in other holes using the draft. I would be surprised if KC takes Smith, unless Andy Reid really thinks he can still develop him into something better. At this point, I just don't think that's possible.

I'm not sure that career numbers are the best measure for Smith. He played on some TERRIBLE 49ers teams. I am not sure Rodgers would have had a successful career in SF either if draft fates had been reversed. Terrible line play and no front office vision killed the team for 10 years. Our draft record with receivers is dreadful prior to Crabtree and we have had little to no one for Smith to throw to for most of his career.

Were those 49ers teams terrible despite Smith or BECAUSE of him? Of course, it's likely partly both. But a GREAT QB, even a young one, can usually elevate an otherwise poor team, especially after a few years. As recent evidence alone, I point to to what Andrew Luck, RGIII and (maybe) Andy Dalton and Cam Newton did for their teams. To a lesser extent, you could even add Russell Wilson, although I think the Seahawks had a better core than any of the other teams I mentioned. Smith had several seasons to show whether he could carry a team-- the answer was an obvious "no".

I'm with Scoob on this one. Alex Smith is an average quarterback...slightly above average at best. Honestly, the highest pick a team should give for him in my opinion, is a 3rd rounder. Personally, I wouldn't do it though.

Now how 'bout my Vikes? Yeah, we're not looking too good...but that's what everybody thought prior to 2012, and they made the playoffs. If Ponder can progress, and AP stays healthy, and we address our secondary, and we add a quality receiver, and we don't lose Percy Harvin...hmmm...yeah, I'd peg us at 8-8 if I worked in Vegas.

Vikings have very little to worry about. Detroit and Chicago aren't threatening. Green Bay is beatable if they get injured. They have the luxury of thinking long term instead of win now.

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I also think that Alex Smith is an average at best NFL QB. I don't think he's worth more than a 3rd rounder...but it's all about supply and demand. If this Alex Smith scenario was being played out last year, SF would be lucky to get a 7th rounder for him. Again, Smith could be a stable QB given the right pieces around him, but I think everyone can agree that he has little to no "upside". We've likely seen the very best of his abilities the past 2 years in SF...and it's nothing to sell the farm over.

As far as the Brady contract, I think it's a very smart move on both parts. Brady is a winner, and wants to win. He knows he can't do it by himself, and at the same time, I'm sure he wants to play for 5 more years. When you sign a huge contract that extends into the years past your prime, you force owners and GM to make "business decisions." Just look at what happened to Peyton Manning. He signed a huge extension with Indy that was supposed to be his last contract and let him retire a Colt, but it ended up backfiring and got him released. Of course having Luck available in the draft helped, but if Manning was only set to make $9M instead of $28M...Peyton would still be in Indy. Neither Peyton nor Brady need to worry too much about money due to their huge endorsement deals outside of football...so I think Brady is just protecting his ability to win more championships, and avoid a messy breakup with NE.

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To be fair, I should have stated that I don't think Alex Smith is or ever will be a great NFL QB. I just think he is a better QB than his record would reflect. I think he has a number of years as an above average QB left in him, a guy who won't win you many games but won't lose you many either. A number of teams would take that in a QB.

He came into the league very young and is still only 28. If he ends up going to the Browns, which is very possible, he will be younger than the 2nd year QB he would be replacing... Brandon Weeden.

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