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2006-07-10 4:49 PM

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Subject: Getting faster on the bike
I want to shave some time off of my bike and need some help. I'm curious to see what other people are doing to have such better times then me on their bike portion of the race. I typically rank in the top forth of my AG in the swim and run, but come in towards the last forth during the bike.

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I've got a good bike (2006 Trek 1500), clipless pedals and shoes, go to spin class once a week, and put in 2 18-25 mile rides a week. I typically avg 16-18 mph, ride at about a 88-95 cdc, and stay mainly in the big gear. My last tri was a 17.6 mile bike and I did in 57:01...27 out of 39 in my AG.

Should I increase my milage? Ride faster? Practice sprints? Increase my cadence? Increase my amount of rides? I'm stumped.


2006-07-10 4:57 PM
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50 miles a week plus a spin class. 2600 miles a year. That's not bad, but of course you could do more.

What would I recommend? More miles, smaller gears (I do not ride in the big chain ring unless I'm well over 20 mph), more miles, longer rides ........ and did I say more miles yet???

At least one ride a week should be over 2 hours, whether you are training for a sprint or a half iron. Nothing builds a solid base like getting out there and depleting the glycogen stores at a nice consistent pace.

To get "faster" as in sprinting and climbing ability, then you would incorporate more hilly routes and/or interval work (sprinting to signs and stoplights, etc.).

The mantra on the site is "ride lots" which is really the key.

Oh, and this is just me talking ..... I'd ditch the spin class as I am not a fan of them at all.
2006-07-10 5:08 PM
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Daremo - 2006-07-10 4:57 PM 50 miles a week plus a spin class. 2600 miles a year. That's not bad, but of course you could do more. What would I recommend? More miles, smaller gears (I do not ride in the big chain ring unless I'm well over 20 mph), more miles, longer rides ........ and did I say more miles yet??? At least one ride a week should be over 2 hours, whether you are training for a sprint or a half iron. Nothing builds a solid base like getting out there and depleting the glycogen stores at a nice consistent pace. To get "faster" as in sprinting and climbing ability, then you would incorporate more hilly routes and/or interval work (sprinting to signs and stoplights, etc.). The mantra on the site is "ride lots" which is really the key. Oh, and this is just me talking ..... I'd ditch the spin class as I am not a fan of them at all.
x2 in particular about the spinning classes. depending how many days you have available for riding you should have your long ride (2:00+ hrs) as Rick mentioned plus a goal pace/tempo/interval day which will be shorter in duration but higher in intensity, a moderate and/or recovery ride
2006-07-10 5:17 PM
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Subject: RE: Getting faster on the bike

THird everything that Rick said.  One long ride, one interval ride where you are working at a higher intensity ( near your LT) beginning with 8 or 10 min intervals and increasing the work interval as able with a few minutes recovery between intervals are great for increasing speed.  Hills at a lower cadence build strength,  "spinning" up hills at a higher cadence is good race strategy practice.  Recovery ride if you can fit one in and still get your run and swim training.

Do spin in the winter when you can't ride. 



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2006-07-10 5:21 PM
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Start working on ILT to help smooth you stroke.  Start doing reps, intervals, hills, ride more.

Something else to think about, is you don't know who all was at that race.  So 17-19 MPH could be fantastic.  But if you really want to get faster, it is likely going to take more miles.

Spin classes are great for areobic workouts, but not great for building speed.

How is your bike set up?  Do you have aero bars?  If not get some, that alone should cut some time off your ride (some posters say it is worth 2 MPH.)

2006-07-10 5:35 PM
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Subject: RE: Getting faster on the bike
What would be a example of a good interval workout?

That's interesting to hear about skipping the spin class. While waiting in the rain for a tri to get cancled earlier this season, me and a bunch of other guys were debating the usefulness of spin. And they all swore by it. Hmm. Funny to hear different peoples training experiences.


2006-07-10 5:43 PM
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A typical spin class has a lot of anaerobic intervals...short, hard bursts.  Those have thier place, don't get me wrong, but how often are you anaerobic during an Olympic distance race on the bike?  Hopefully not often, because if you do it too much you will blow up and run poorly.  Biking in a tri is more about being able to maintain a consistent (hopefully fast ) speed at a low intensity. 

I teach spin in the winter and it's a good calorie burner, breaks things up and makes my workouts less boring. It's also useful for strength workouts....low cadence high resistance "climbs".  LTs can be done on a spin bike as well, but aren't part of most spin instructor's plans because they're boring and they hurt...good way to lose customers   So I don't mess around with spinning in the summer when I can be out on my bike, other than subbing once in awhile to help out.  

2006-07-10 9:10 PM
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CindyK - 2006-07-10 5:43 PM

A typical spin class has a lot of anaerobic intervals...short, hard bursts.  Those have thier place, don't get me wrong, but how often are you anaerobic during an Olympic distance race on the bike?  Hopefully not often, because if you do it too much you will blow up and run poorly.  Biking in a tri is more about being able to maintain a consistent (hopefully fast ) speed at a low intensity. 

I teach spin in the winter and it's a good calorie burner, breaks things up and makes my workouts less boring. It's also useful for strength workouts....low cadence high resistance "climbs".  LTs can be done on a spin bike as well, but aren't part of most spin instructor's plans because they're boring and they hurt...good way to lose customers   So I don't mess around with spinning in the summer when I can be out on my bike, other than subbing once in awhile to help out.  

I don't mean to pick on you but I can avoid post if I see some misinformation. First of all, it will be VERY rare if we go anaerobic in any triathlon distance race unless it is the final sprint toward the finish line and you are going ALL out for seconds only. Otherwise 99.9% of the efforts we do on Tris are aerobic. 2nd with proper training an athlete CAN race a sprint or Oly distance at or above their LT for the entire race without blowing up. 3rd the reason why I am not a fan of spinning classes is because most instructor’s idea of a good workout is to make you push very hard for 45 min. That might feel good for many but for someone training for a triathlon it might very well be affecting his/her training goals. (BTW, I think it is great you don't teach that way but in most classes I've done it is been that way.) Doing HARD spinning classes on the wrong day or often will only limit your training potential but most important it might build unnecessary fatigue. I think spining might be a good alternative for training as long as it fit your training plan/phase. Last but not least, yes to ride fast you have to train fast BUT ONLY after you had built up your foundation (base). If not, you will be limiting your potential, you wil be faster in the short term, not in the long one and the risks are greater than the potential benefits.

For the OP, if you want to ride fast spend more time riding, ride long ride short, ride easy and very few days ride hard. First be sure you can ride your goal distance and longer with ease. Make sure you ride it at a steady pace and the next day you feel you can do it again. As Mike R says all the time: “Be consistent and work on the base” Once you accomplish that then you can start adding more variety/intensity to your training which will enhance it not limit it…

2006-07-10 9:18 PM
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Subject: RE: Getting faster on the bike

Rick and Jorge said it best.  Just also remember that "fast" is a relative term in cycling.  YOu can be fast over a 40k TT.  You can be fast up hill climbs.  You can be fast on breakaway sprints.  You can be fast over an entire race.  You can be a fast decender.  The list goes on.  Each form of fast requires different types of training.

 

2006-07-10 9:36 PM
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I like the way Matt sums this up, I also agree with Rick and Jorge. Get out ride lots, skip the spin classes, unless you are trying to pick up the good looking spin class participants. That is my 2 cents!!!
2006-07-11 9:35 AM
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Subject: RE: Getting faster on the bike
Thanks for the advice everyone! I think the common sentiment is that I need to start riding longer distances, which is kinda what I suspected all along. I've already made the goal of doing the MS150 next year in Houston, so I should have a much stonger base for next years tri season than I did for this year.

Thanks again!
-Casey


2006-07-11 10:26 AM
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Long story short, the key is ride lots. I don't think I've quite made it yet to "lots" and I've seen great improvement.


Here is my story. I'm still riding the high from my bike split at this past Sun's race (Disco).

Last year, I started running in March and "cycling" in May. Until after my first tri at the end of August, with the exception of about 12 rides, all of my cycling was on a gym stationary bike. My bike split was 17.2 mph over 14 miles.

After my first tri, I started commuting to work (25 mi round trip) and entered my second tri 1 month later. My bike split was 18 mph over 12.4 miles. Note that in both tris, my shoelaces got caught up in my cranks which probably added 30 secs or so to my time.

I continued to commute to work about 2 times a week though October. From November through February, I rode all low (lower than I could on the road) intensity rides on rollers (trainer) 2-3 times a week for about 3 hours a week with a couple 4+ hour weeks. I started commuting again in March, and have increased my commute to about 30 mi round trip. In June, I logged about 21 hours and 333 miles, and I've put in almost 100 hours from Jan through June. Pretty much all of my rides are short (only a handfull over 17 miles) and my longest distance to this day is 20 miles.

For the race this past weekend, I had a 20.6 mph bike split for that 17.6 miles on my 19 year old Schwinn road bike.
2006-07-11 10:28 AM
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Also, what is the "OP"?
2006-07-11 10:30 AM
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camy - 2006-07-11 10:28 AM Also, what is the "OP"?

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2006-07-11 10:31 AM
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2006-07-11 10:32 AM
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the bear - 2006-07-11 10:30 AM

camy - 2006-07-11 10:28 AM Also, what is the "OP"?

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DAM IT! you are too fast... jeezzzz


2006-07-11 11:41 AM
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Subject: RE: Getting faster on the bike

In addition to "ride lots" (credit Bear) I would suggest having your bike fit analyzed at your local bike shop.  I recently had my bike fit at a shop that specializes in tri bikes and it has made a huge difference for me in terms of overall comfort on the bike and my average speed.  My old setup was using my hamstrings too much whereas now my bike power is coming from my quads, as it should have been all along.  I also have a Trek 1500.  Hope this helps. 

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