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2013-04-28 5:02 AM
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Mine consist of my brain, my bike computer, and my legs, and we definitely don't get along!


2013-04-28 5:09 AM
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i wish I could find some people to ride with... they could go closer to the cars and protect me! It might also be challenged a bit more.
2013-04-28 5:16 AM
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This is triathlon! We don't believe in group effort. It's a lonely sport.
2013-04-28 7:57 AM
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kmillanao - 2013-04-27 2:56 PM I tried a group ride once. On their website they claimed to be a friendly group whose goal wa to welcome newbies (like me) into the sport.....they also claimed to ride at an easy pace of 25km/hr. I decided to giving a go after riding solo for 9 months. Well! Not only were they not very friendly, they hammered from the get go and were averaging 33-35km/hr........when I obviously could not keep up they said not to worry "everyone sucks on their first ride"!!I will stay clear of group rides, having people around and behind me freaks me out!!

What you found was a very bad group.  Don't give up on group rides, but give up on that group

As someone who's only been riding since November last year, the bike is where I feel I need the greatest improvement. My average speeds are in the 17 to 19mph range, but that has been for Oly training. Now that I'm starting to train for HIM distance I was thinking group riding would be beneficial in learning efficiency. It's working great with my swimming. However, the above poster's experience is exactly what I'd be nervous about. As someone new to the sport, the groups are intimidating. To be honest, so are some of LBS. I have one that has a very friendly older staff, but another is full of bearded 20-something's that I perceive to be annoyed that I came in to the establishment.
2013-04-28 8:45 AM
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I do most of my training alone.

Group rides I have done the roadie pace line type rides as well as loose rides with tri friends. If you live in Boston and are a women, NEBC has great group rides once a week. They break down groups based on pace and usually have a newbie group to teach basics and practice paceline. They have two folks from the team with each group to make sure the ride goes smoothly. Quite a giving and great group of women. Some weeks they have over 50 women out for their group ride.

My favorite are riding with tri friends. We don't do pacelines, we chat at times, we sometimes draft but not often. We share our passion for our sport while riding same roads.

I do mostly train alone just because it is easiest time and logistically.

I wish I had more friends to ride with that lived closer to me.

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2013-04-28 8:40 PM
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I like group rides for the challenge, but I do most of my riding solo I have a weird training schedule.

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2013-04-28 8:44 PM
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KateTri1 - 2013-04-28 6:31 AM

My husband really likes organized group rides. He likes being in a paceline and the whole social, "group" effort. I really have no interest.  (I have tried paceline a couple of times with my husband and his friend) He's been bugging me to do one for a while, and it makes me feel like something is wrong with me that I'd prefer going out alone. 

I'll prolly try it, just so I can't be accused of being a total negative Nancy.

But it really wouldn't bother me if I never did a group ride. 

I'm in between.  I like to go out with one or two others and I like the protection they offer me from cars and this guy in particular goes ahead at stop signs to check if it's clear so I rarely have to stop!

I don't think I'm skilled enough for the group thing unless it were really close friends.

so other than that on my own.  The nice thing is with more than one when you get a flat etc and for safety.  On my own though no pressure to perform at a certain level!

2013-04-28 9:17 PM
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Would love to do a group ride but after years of riding the timing still doesn't work.  I am lucky I can ride from my house about a block and am on a road that lots of folks cycle on.  Occasionally I do ride with one other person. 

My one attempt at trying to meet up with a group ended before it started as either the group I was supposed to ride with never showed and was replaced with a bunch of irritated guys bent on me not riding with them or I missed them somehow.

2013-04-29 4:01 AM
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I love to do my long runs and rides by myself.  I can set the time, leave on time (pet peeve of mine), change my mind at the last minute, etc.  I have a swim group, strength is with a group, trainer ride with a group.  Pretty much the only things I get to do by myself are two runs and two rides and I enjoy it, over half of my tri training time is spent in a group.  It's a nice balance.  And there's a very popular place to run and bike where you will see tons of people, and a lot of those people you know. 

It's also the best for training.  Train with someone else and most of the time you will either hold them back or they will hold you back. 

2013-04-29 5:44 AM
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GaryRM - 2013-04-28 10:17 PM

My one attempt at trying to meet up with a group ended before it started as either the group I was supposed to ride with never showed and was replaced with a bunch of irritated guys bent on me not riding with them or I missed them somehow.

LOL!!!



2013-04-29 6:21 AM
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natethomas2000 - 2013-04-27 7:42 PM Unless you do a group ride with faster people, you don't really get that much of a workout. There's constant freewheeling and frequent stops to regroup. I like to hammer away, and not worry about others. Plus, there aren't many riders in my area that can hang with me when I ride.

This^^^^^ Otherwise it can become a social event fairly fast.

2013-04-29 7:32 AM
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GatorDeb - 2013-04-29 6:01 AM

It's also the best for training.


I am curious as to how you came to this conclusion.

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2013-04-29 7:42 AM
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gsmacleod - 2013-04-29 7:32 AM
GatorDeb - 2013-04-29 6:01 AM It's also the best for training.
I am curious as to how you came to this conclusion. Shane

Please don't bring GD into another thread with enticing questions!  Please.

2013-04-29 7:48 AM
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I'm very much a loner, in all aspects of sport. I seem to have bitten the fiancé with the cycling bug now though and he has been going out with me on weekends. I love it because it's just the two of us. Other than that I'm not too much of a social butterfly and if I am having a great day or a crap day I don't wanna pretend otherwise!

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2013-04-29 7:48 AM
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I'm very much a loner, in all aspects of sport. I seem to have bitten the fiancé with the cycling bug now though and he has been going out with me on weekends. I love it because it's just the two of us. Other than that I'm not too much of a social butterfly and if I am having a great day or a crap day I don't wanna pretend otherwise!

Patti


2013-04-29 7:58 AM
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I like going out on the tri bike solo and doing group rides on the road bike. Usually on the tri bike I'm doing the same flattish areas so I can practice being in aero. On the road bike I like to explore, and I find that in a group ride we pretty rarely do the same ride twice. Also people seem to know really cool routes I'd never find on my own - and all the hills. Amazing how hard you push when someone yells KOM and the chase is on.

Pluses for group rides: Learning good bike handling skills, social interaction, being pushed not to get dropped, safety, not getting lost and having to check Google maps.

No-drop rides can be start and stop, it depends on how well the ride is organized. The Bike Club of Philly (for example) grades their rides A-D and they are very good at keeping to their definitions of what the ride will entail. I had a blast with them this weekend - 50 miles of hills. Another group (no names) I stopped riding with because their goal seems to be to drop everyone who isn't a pure cyclist, and they never stick to the advertised ride level.



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2013-04-29 8:24 AM
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gsmacleod - 2013-04-29 5:32 AM
GatorDeb - 2013-04-29 6:01 AM It's also the best for training.
I am curious as to how you came to this conclusion. Shane

To ride alone vs. a group is better training wise because then you are going at your pace and not someone else's.  There are benefits to groups, i.e. pushing yourself more because you don't want to be dropped, bike handling skills, etc.  But if you're in a group that is staying together, chances are someone in that group is not going as fast as they can, and, if that is their goal, then it would not be as good as a training session as if they were by themselves.

It really all depends on what your goal for a session is. 

2013-04-29 8:31 AM
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BrianRunsPhilly - 2013-04-29 7:58 AM

I like going out on the tri bike solo and doing group rides on the road bike. Usually on the tri bike I'm doing the same flattish areas so I can practice being in aero. On the road bike I like to explore, and I find that in a group ride we pretty rarely do the same ride twice. Also people seem to know really cool routes I'd never find on my own - and all the hills. Amazing how hard you push when someone yells KOM and the chase is on.

Pluses for group rides: Learning good bike handling skills, social interaction, being pushed not to get dropped, safety, not getting lost and having to check Google maps.

No-drop rides can be start and stop, it depends on how well the ride is organized. The Bike Club of Philly (for example) grades their rides A-D and they are very good at keeping to their definitions of what the ride will entail. I had a blast with them this weekend - 50 miles of hills. Another group (no names) I stopped riding with because their goal seems to be to drop everyone who isn't a pure cyclist, and they never stick to the advertised ride level.

This is why I love group rides. Riding with the A pace group ensures that I will get a fantastic ride in, or risk being taunted mercilessly in the parking lot afterwords. Learn how to suffer in training so you can make others suffer in your race ~Someone (I can't remember whom)

2013-04-29 8:48 AM
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BrianRunsPhilly - 2013-04-29 7:58 AM

I like going out on the tri bike solo and doing group rides on the road bike. Usually on the tri bike I'm doing the same flattish areas so I can practice being in aero. On the road bike I like to explore, and I find that in a group ride we pretty rarely do the same ride twice. Also people seem to know really cool routes I'd never find on my own - and all the hills. Amazing how hard you push when someone yells KOM and the chase is on.

Pluses for group rides: Learning good bike handling skills, social interaction, being pushed not to get dropped, safety, not getting lost and having to check Google maps.

No-drop rides can be start and stop, it depends on how well the ride is organized. The Bike Club of Philly (for example) grades their rides A-D and they are very good at keeping to their definitions of what the ride will entail. I had a blast with them this weekend - 50 miles of hills. Another group (no names) I stopped riding with because their goal seems to be to drop everyone who isn't a pure cyclist, and they never stick to the advertised ride level.

This is why I love group rides. Riding with the A pace group ensures that I will get a fantastic ride in, or risk being taunted mercilessly in the parking lot afterwords. Learn how to suffer in training so you can make others suffer in your race ~Someone (I can't remember whom)

I'm not talking about being forced to ride hard, I'm talking about advertising a no-drop ride at a tough but manageable pace, and then having the cat-2 ride leader and his buddies take off and leave people 30 miles away from the start and leave the rest of the group stuck at a red light. Especially women. I stopped riding with them last year, but we had a situation a couple weeks ago where they did it to some female members of my tri club. That's not making people suffer during training, that's being a DB.

Getting dropped happens, but the role of a ride leader is to ensure a hard but safe ride. Even in a drop ride you call people to make sure they're OK.



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2013-04-29 9:07 AM
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GatorDeb - 2013-04-29 10:24 AM

To ride alone vs. a group is better training wise because then you are going at your pace and not someone else's.


This is not necessarily a benefit or detriment.

There are benefits to groups, i.e. pushing yourself more because you don't want to be dropped, bike handling skills, etc.


Could this not mean that group rides could be better than solo rides?

But if you're in a group that is staying together, chances are someone in that group is not going as fast as they can,...


If we remove speed and replace effort, there is very likely a point where on a group ride I will be riding much easier than solo but at other points I will be riding much harder. The goal is not always to ride as hard as you can for the duration.

[quotee]...and, if that is their goal, then it would not be as good as a training session as if they were by themselves.


Agree, if the goal of the workout is to ride steady at TT effort, then a group ride is probably not the best training. However, not every ride should revolve around just riding steady at TT effort so the group ride could be great for other training session.

It really all depends on what your goal for a session is. 



Precisely, which is vastly different than your first statement that riding solo is best for training.

Shane


2013-04-29 10:03 AM
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I'm a solo rider too, but mostly because of timing and logistics.  There are plenty of group rides near me that start at 7am or 8am on the weekends.  Because of family commitments, I tend to finish my long rides at 8am-ish, so the local group rides typically don't work for me.  If someone wanted to start at 5:30am or even earlier during the summer, then that might be a different story.

As for potential training benefits in groups or riding solo, I think it's different for everybody.  Perhaps there are some benefits to being pushed in a group setting, but I think the main point is to ride - getting time in the saddle is the most important part.  Riding solo works for me.

2013-04-29 10:28 AM
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lisac957 - 2013-04-27 1:45 PM

I feel the same way. I've been involved in a few group pace lines at charity events and just really didn't enjoy it. Probably because the roadies felt the need to bark out instructions left and right and it made me feel stupid.

I can't race in a paceline anyway, so even when I go out with a group I prefer to just ride in a loose pack and wait for each other at turns/intersections. That's more of my kind of "group" ride.

 

We do it all the time but it's for safety reasons.  When shouting on a bike it often sounds a bit more harsh than intended just to be heard.

 

Pacelines are fun but can get out of hand fast with competitive riders.  I think it all depends on the group.

 

I'd much rather ride in a group even if we aren't in a paceline but I don't like running with a group unless it's in a race.  Running is my alone time with whatever I want to think about or think about nothing. 

 

Riding in a group is just so much safer from a visibility to traffic standpoint.  That always makes me feel better and at ease.

2013-04-29 11:27 AM
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I ride alone, yeah
With nobody else
I ride alone, yeah
With nobody else
You know when I ride alone
I prefer to be by myself

Every morning just before breakfast
I don't want no coffee or tea
Just me and good Sir Velo
That's all I ever need
'Cause I ride alone, yeah
With nobody else
Yeah, you know when I ride alone
I prefer to be by myself

The other night I laid sleeping
And I woke from a terrible dream
So I called up my pal Gary Fischer
And his partner Scott Trek
And we rode alone, yeah
With nobody else
Yeah, you know when I ride alone
I prefer to be by myself

The other day I got invited to a group ride
But I stayed home instead
Just me and my race bike
With its colors Black and Red
And we rode alone, yeah
With nobody else
Yeah, you know when I ride alone
I prefer to be by myself

My whole family done give up on me
And it makes me feel oh so bad
The only one who will ride with me
Is my dear Old Lightspeed
And we rode alone, yeah
With nobody else
Yeah, you know when I ride alone
I prefer to be by myself

(with deference to Mr. Thorogood, of course)

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