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2013-06-24 9:42 AM

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Subject: GI issues using gels and gatorade
I have on and off used hammer gels and some gatorade drinks while doing events. Not using anything I have no issues, in races I have I get the "girgle" that starts almost right away after the race and then feel like I need to sit on the toilet for the next day. This last race I drank maybe about 20 oz of the G2 "fit" series (low calorie) gatorade on the bike and then about 1 mile in the run I opened and took a small amount of raspberry hammer gel in and sure enough, the same thing. So.......Is there any other alternatives/other brands to look at or are we talking just some trial and error until I find something that works? I rarely if ever eat sugar so maybe it's my body reacting to "ANY" type of sugar in my system that it's not used to. The gel has maltodextrin as the first ingredient. Woul something more natural maybe with honey be a better choice? I have no issues with some experimenting but don't want to aimlessly go out and start buying everything if someone has had a similar issue and found something that works. At least it would be a starting point.


2013-06-24 9:56 AM
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This is one of those things that basically ends up "try stuff until you find something that works"

How do you handle solids? A lot of people have success just drinking water and getting their nutrition from chomps/bars/realfood
2013-06-24 9:57 AM
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Check out CarboPro, works great. I'm a convert.
2013-06-24 10:17 AM
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x2 for trying different products. But whatever you try, try it on your long ride or run, not at your race. Burning any type of calories during long, strenuous effort can take some getting used to.
2013-06-24 10:17 AM
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Originally posted by Leegoocrap

This is one of those things that basically ends up "try stuff until you find something that works"

How do you handle solids? A lot of people have success just drinking water and getting their nutrition from chomps/bars/realfood


Haven't tried solids yet but not a bad idea. I make a protein bar with oatflour, protein whey, almonds, peanut butter, almond milk that tastes great! I could always use some honey in place of the xylitol and stevia and see how that goes!
2013-06-24 10:37 AM
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I don't eat much sugar either.  I could never tolerate gels.  Solids never work for me either.  I've stuck to strictly G2 for shorter distances and CarboPro for longer distances and that has worked for my very sensitive tummy.


2013-06-24 11:00 AM
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I don't eat much sugar either.  I could never tolerate gels.  Solids never work for me either.  I've stuck to strictly G2 for shorter distances and CarboPro for longer distances and that has worked for my very sensitive tummy.


Might have to give the carbopro a try!

Thinking of brainstorming on some type of solid bar that I can make.

2013-06-24 11:28 AM
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Subject: RE: GI issues using gels and gatorade
Just FYI, CarboPro is maltodextrin. Can be bought much cheaper without the brand name if you want to use it.
2013-06-24 11:34 AM
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I had the same issue with the Powerbar gels. I switch to GU and the GU gummies and they work like a charm...
2013-06-24 11:34 AM
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Just FYI, CarboPro is maltodextrin. Can be bought much cheaper without the brand name if you want to use it.


Thanks......guess I may keep looking then. Can't remember who (maybe Dave Scott?) who said Dextrose is what you want, not sucrose or similar.
2013-06-24 11:43 AM
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The only gels my sensitve tummy can handle while running are gus, and I have tried everything. I have better luck with gummies, I can handle cliff shots, gu chomps, sharkies, sports beans. For drinks - both Gatorade and eload work for me. You have to try a bunch of different stuff and see what works for you. Also, what works on the bike, might not work on the run - I can handle hammer gels on the bike, but not on the run.


2013-06-24 12:38 PM
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Subject: RE: GI issues using gels and gatorade
Originally posted by lakelandsledder

Originally posted by JohnnyKay

Just FYI, CarboPro is maltodextrin. Can be bought much cheaper without the brand name if you want to use it.


Thanks......guess I may keep looking then. Can't remember who (maybe Dave Scott?) who said Dextrose is what you want, not sucrose or similar.


You want carbs. Pick a type/source that agrees with you well enough. A mixture is often considered best for absorbtion/digestion, though fructose is most often related to GI issues (thus why some people who have problems with pre-mixed Gatorade are fine with powder-mixed). It does not sound like your issues are being driven by fructose, though that would be the first source I would look to cut as you test things.
2013-06-24 12:53 PM
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Originally posted by lakelandsledder

Originally posted by JohnnyKay

Just FYI, CarboPro is maltodextrin. Can be bought much cheaper without the brand name if you want to use it.


Thanks......guess I may keep looking then. Can't remember who (maybe Dave Scott?) who said Dextrose is what you want, not sucrose or similar.


You want carbs. Pick a type/source that agrees with you well enough. A mixture is often considered best for absorbtion/digestion, though fructose is most often related to GI issues (thus why some people who have problems with pre-mixed Gatorade are fine with powder-mixed). It does not sound like your issues are being driven by fructose, though that would be the first source I would look to cut as you test things.


It may just be the gel. What I may do is pick up some powdered gatorade and try that by itself to see if I have an issue first. If I do then I can move on to the next.
2013-06-24 1:39 PM
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Subject: RE: GI issues using gels and gatorade
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Originally posted by JohnnyKay

Originally posted by lakelandsledder

Originally posted by JohnnyKay

Just FYI, CarboPro is maltodextrin. Can be bought much cheaper without the brand name if you want to use it.


Thanks......guess I may keep looking then. Can't remember who (maybe Dave Scott?) who said Dextrose is what you want, not sucrose or similar.


You want carbs. Pick a type/source that agrees with you well enough. A mixture is often considered best for absorbtion/digestion, though fructose is most often related to GI issues (thus why some people who have problems with pre-mixed Gatorade are fine with powder-mixed). It does not sound like your issues are being driven by fructose, though that would be the first source I would look to cut as you test things.


It may just be the gel. What I may do is pick up some powdered gatorade and try that by itself to see if I have an issue first. If I do then I can move on to the next.


Possible. I would think the amount is small but, since Hammer uses real fruit, you probably are getting some fructose in the mix. Trying something that is plain malto might be worthwhile, as well. Good luck.
2013-06-24 2:35 PM
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What did you, do you, take with gels, water or G?

As was stated you should try some other brands.  My wife and I both I found Hammer to be the best for us.

 

2013-06-24 2:49 PM
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What did you, do you, take with gels, water or G?

As was stated you should try some other brands.  My wife and I both I found Hammer to be the best for us.

 




Drank about 20oz of 20 oz of the G2 "fit" series (low calorie) gatorade on the bike then about 1 mile into the run I had just a little bit of the hammer Gel. I'll see if I can find out what was in the G2.


2013-06-24 9:37 PM
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Originally posted by Donto

What did you, do you, take with gels, water or G?

As was stated you should try some other brands.  My wife and I both I found Hammer to be the best for us.

 

Drank about 20oz of 20 oz of the G2 "fit" series (low calorie) gatorade on the bike then about 1 mile into the run I had just a little bit of the hammer Gel. I'll see if I can find out what was in the G2.
20oz over how long of a period of time?

A gel needs to be taken with water, ~6-8 oz otherwise bad things will happened.  Taking a gel with some G in you stomach will likely lead to GI issues.  The Hammer Nutrition Handbook on page 110 talks about simple carb (sugar) consumption issues.

2013-06-25 7:55 AM
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I can't use Gatorade in any form... makes me throw up... same thing goes for anything with artificial sweeteners...

You basically need to test out different things and find something that works for you. Personally, Nuun is the only one that works well for me, plus I love tha fact that it's super portable (a couple of tablets in a small zip lock and just pop them into the water). In terms of gel, GU works really well for me. Find a gel that works for you and a flavor you can stand even when you're completely exhausted.
2013-06-25 12:46 PM
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Try UCAN. http://www.generationucan.com/home.html

It is a slow burning complex carb drink. Worth a shot.

2013-06-25 4:45 PM
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Originally posted by JohnnyKay

Originally posted by lakelandsledder

Originally posted by JohnnyKay

Just FYI, CarboPro is maltodextrin. Can be bought much cheaper without the brand name if you want to use it.


Thanks......guess I may keep looking then. Can't remember who (maybe Dave Scott?) who said Dextrose is what you want, not sucrose or similar.


You want carbs. Pick a type/source that agrees with you well enough. A mixture is often considered best for absorbtion/digestion, though fructose is most often related to GI issues (thus why some people who have problems with pre-mixed Gatorade are fine with powder-mixed). It does not sound like your issues are being driven by fructose, though that would be the first source I would look to cut as you test things.


Interesting- I use the powdered gatorade and go with a more dilute mix than directed. It works great for me. I don't like the pre-mixed at all though- it makes me sick. The powdered is way more convenient as well. They sell a massive tub of it at Costco.
2013-06-25 9:27 PM
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The opinions on this will be endless. Bottom line for me is all gels need to be diluted with water or drink plain water right after consuming the gel. I use Hammer gels diluted in a flask.


2013-06-25 10:24 PM
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Originally posted by lakelandsledder
Originally posted by Donto

What did you, do you, take with gels, water or G?

As was stated you should try some other brands.  My wife and I both I found Hammer to be the best for us.

 

Drank about 20oz of 20 oz of the G2 "fit" series (low calorie) gatorade on the bike then about 1 mile into the run I had just a little bit of the hammer Gel. I'll see if I can find out what was in the G2.
20oz over how long of a period of time?

A gel needs to be taken with water, ~6-8 oz otherwise bad things will happened.  Taking a gel with some G in you stomach will likely lead to GI issues.  The Hammer Nutrition Handbook on page 110 talks about simple carb (sugar) consumption issues.




Drank the 20oz on the bike over a 45 min period. The gel is the little packet you rip the top off and suck on. As others said, I think I will not consume both so I can see which one has the bad effcts than try a few brands to see which is the best.
2013-06-26 2:06 AM
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X2 on the UCAN.

For me it's a type AND quantity issue.  I did my last Ironman at about 150-175 cals/hr.  More than that and I get a personal tour of every porta potty on the course.

So I stick to really gentle stuff like UCAN, sharkies, and bonk breaker bars...and keep the quantity LOW.

Too much food will shut down your digestive system and lead to GI issues just as much as "the wrong kind of sugar" will.

2013-06-26 11:45 AM
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I've started using Island Boost (www.islandboost.com). It's coconut water based, gluten free, vegan, and non-GMO (if any of those are important to you). No GI issues and I don't feel bad about taking it in! Honey Stingers (www.honeystinger.com) have been another good alternative for me. Good luck finding what works for you!
2013-06-26 2:35 PM
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I get a bad GI reaction if I use a gel with Maltodextrin in it. Try to find one that is as natrual as those things can get within reason.
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