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Subject: Could Sagan be a GC Contender?
He seems to be much more versatile than most sprinters. Could he evolve into a GC contender?


2013-07-05 12:01 PM
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Subject: RE: Could Sagan be a GC Contender?
Highly unlikely. He's a good power guy, and could be (is) a good 1-day and classics racer. He can't hang on the stages with super-steep and long hills, especially if there are a couple in a row. I love watching him race though.
2013-07-06 10:24 PM
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Subject: RE: Could Sagan be a GC Contender?
no way.

He has a lot of potential to be a great sprinter... he's a lot better set up to wear the green jersey than basically anyone else in the peloton, but he isn't even in the same ball park as the GC contenders.
2013-07-07 1:30 PM
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Subject: RE: Could Sagan be a GC Contender?
In a 7 day stage race he may have a slight chance, but a grand tour; no way.
2013-07-08 5:24 AM
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Subject: RE: Could Sagan be a GC Contender?
Not going to happen. Great sprinter, great rolleur, and not bad in the hills, but he's not a climber and he's not a time trial specialist. Like a typical sprinter, he's very competitive in the prologs, but longer TT's... not so much. Sagan can get over most climbs, but he can't attack them like a pure climber can. I bet if he really dedicated himself to it, he might be a top-25 rider, but that would mean to skinny down and probably lose most of the top end power than makes him what he is today...
2013-07-08 3:20 PM
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Subject: RE: Could Sagan be a GC Contender?
The automatic reflex is to respond 'no way!' - but I think there is more to it.

Consider Ryder Hesjedal. A former GC winner of the Giro, an ex-Mountain biker, very tall for a climber (188cm, 72kg). He's not a natural pure climber.
Peter Sagan is an ex-MTB and cyclocross rider. He's got a similar buld to Ryder, Chris Froome, Andy Schlek (i.e. Tall and lanky).

Right now he's focusing on his strength - sprinting, but I think If he was the GC Leader of a team and trained specifically for mountains, he might be a contender. Maybe.

p.s. He won the Tour of Poland in 2011 - a 7 stage race, with plenty of mountainous category 1 and 2 climbs.




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2013-07-09 1:57 AM
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Subject: RE: Could Sagan be a GC Contender?
I think it would be highly unlikely but if he trained for it and got a good team in front of him it could work. keep in mind that in almost every sprint you see Sagan contend in he's hanging onto the wheel during his lead-out of another sprinter. all the other sprinters already have a leg up on him because they are able to hang onto the wheel of one of their teammates. Cannondale isn't a good enough team to lead him forward to contend for a GC. But for sure if I were to say any sprinter has a chance at the yellow jersey it's Sagan. The reason he dominated the green jersey competition is because he performs the best out of the sprinters in the mountains and he can stay with the peloton consistently while the other sprinters can't. The man has a chance and I'd be the first to want to see him try. New team, much better in the mountains, better time trials, and maybe loose a little weight. But keep in mind if he tries to become a GC contender and can't make the transition well, you'll never hear the name Peter Sagan again.
2013-07-09 12:47 PM
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Subject: RE: Could Sagan be a GC Contender?
The first thought (which was confirmed by others), is that the high mountains will kill him.  He may be a better climber than other sprinters, but when we get to the high country, people like Contador, Schelck, and Evans will truly shine.
2013-07-09 8:20 PM
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It would never happen because Sagan would make more money as a sprinter/points racer.  His flare for winning and celebrations would be thrown out the window as a GC racer...severly crippling his marketability and sponsorship opportunities.  Prize money in bike racing is nothing...as all of it gets shared with the entire team anyway.  Pro riders make their money with their contracts and sponsorships. 

Ok...but even if he wanted to become a GC contender...could he do it.  Doubtful.  We watched Sagan "climb" and drop Cav/Greipel to make it to the finish on Stage 7, but it's not like his team was setting an ultra high pace through the two climbs of that stage...there were still about 60+ people left in the peloton at the finish.  Compare that to the pace team Sky set during Stage 8 where they completely ripped the peloton apart, and by the time they were done, there were only about 5 people left chasing.  Huge difference when you're talking about Sagan being able to "climb" as compared to the other sprinters, then trying to compare his climbing ability to the GC contenders.

Also throw in the fact that as a GC contender, you need to be on your game for all three weeks of a grand tour.  You can't pick your spots and focus on specific stages here and there like sprinters/points racers do.  There's also a huge difference between staying on your team's wheel during a climb and responding to an attack from a true climber like Quintana, Contador, or Rodriguez.

I am a huge Sagan fan, and I also love watching the points race just as much as the GC race.  To me, watching Sagan dominate the green jersey competition is more entertaining as watching a GC contender dominate.  I actually think that the GC is overrated.  I hate the fact that a guy like Evans can win the TdF without winning a single stage.  IMO, I rather watch guys put it all on the line trying to cross the finish line first, and sacrifice their strength on the next stage as compared to simply managing time gaps for 3 weeks.  Watching Wiggins win last year was extremely boring.  The best GC races are when the contenders are constantly throwing blows at each other...that didn't seem to happen at all last year but it looks a little more promising this year.



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2013-07-10 4:02 AM
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Subject: RE: Could Sagan be a GC Contender?
If Sagan has a baby with a Portuguese, Spanish, or Colombian, then Sagan Jr could be a great GC contender
2013-09-18 3:48 PM
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Originally posted by mgalanter The automatic reflex is to respond 'no way!' - but I think there is more to it. Consider Ryder Hesjedal. A former GC winner of the Giro, an ex-Mountain biker, very tall for a climber (188cm, 72kg). He's not a natural pure climber. Peter Sagan is an ex-MTB and cyclocross rider. He's got a similar buld to Ryder, Chris Froome, Andy Schlek (i.e. Tall and lanky). Right now he's focusing on his strength - sprinting, but I think If he was the GC Leader of a team and trained specifically for mountains, he might be a contender. Maybe. p.s. He won the Tour of Poland in 2011 - a 7 stage race, with plenty of mountainous category 1 and 2 climbs.

Maybe in person Sagan looks lankier but based on what I've seen of him over the years (on TV) he is nowhere near the body type of Froome.  Froome's upper body actually makes me shudder how skeleton-like it is... Schlek isn't far behind either...

Again on TV, it looks as though Sagan's legs are twice as thick as Froome and Schlek....I can't recall Hjedal's leg thickness but I'd bet he's not as thick as Sagan either..

As for what I think about Sagan's chances at a GC, I just don't see it... Thor Hushovd is a closer approximation in my mind to Sagan and he's pulled off some incredible stage victories but paid a price and faded over the course of the tour...

And while I'm on the subject, Thor is the coolest name of all time in cycling...



2013-09-25 8:55 PM
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Subject: RE: Could Sagan be a GC Contender?
Originally posted by TriMike

Originally posted by mgalanter The automatic reflex is to respond 'no way!' - but I think there is more to it. Consider Ryder Hesjedal. A former GC winner of the Giro, an ex-Mountain biker, very tall for a climber (188cm, 72kg). He's not a natural pure climber. Peter Sagan is an ex-MTB and cyclocross rider. He's got a similar buld to Ryder, Chris Froome, Andy Schlek (i.e. Tall and lanky). Right now he's focusing on his strength - sprinting, but I think If he was the GC Leader of a team and trained specifically for mountains, he might be a contender. Maybe. p.s. He won the Tour of Poland in 2011 - a 7 stage race, with plenty of mountainous category 1 and 2 climbs.

Maybe in person Sagan looks lankier but based on what I've seen of him over the years (on TV) he is nowhere near the body type of Froome.  Froome's upper body actually makes me shudder how skeleton-like it is... Schlek isn't far behind either...

Again on TV, it looks as though Sagan's legs are twice as thick as Froome and Schlek....I can't recall Hjedal's leg thickness but I'd bet he's not as thick as Sagan either..

As for what I think about Sagan's chances at a GC, I just don't see it... Thor Hushovd is a closer approximation in my mind to Sagan and he's pulled off some incredible stage victories but paid a price and faded over the course of the tour...

And while I'm on the subject, Thor is the coolest name of all time in cycling...




That Sagan probably doesn't have a future as a GC contender was definitely borne out by the remainder of the TdF. Not to mention that these days, the green jersey carries almost as much prestige as the yellow, so there's not much incentive for him to switch gears and go for the overall win.

Oh, and yes, Thor is a cool name, but everyone knows that the coolest name in cycling is Djamolidine Abdoujaparov.

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