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2013-07-14 9:01 AM

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Subject: Wheel help!
OK...I know this topic has been covered ad nauseum, but I'll ask again: Hubby and I are in the market for new wheels. We both have a Cervelo P2 and the standard wheels that come with them. Since we both need a new set we'd like to stay under 1K each. We've been looking at Flo and Sram, since they seem to be the most cost effective, but any other suggestions would be welcome.

A little info and background for us:
Hubby: 5'10-5'11 145lbs. One year of cycling experience. Racing IM Cozumel in 12/13.
Me: 5'9 125 lbs. One year of cycling. Racing IM Cozumel in 12/13.

So obviously we're on the lighter side, are fairly new to cycling, and are racing in some strong crosswinds this year. I (more so than my husband) am very nervous about the wind!


2013-07-14 10:06 AM
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You want a universal set of race wheels?

Whoever (HED, SRAM, FLO, ZIPP) 60 rear, 60 front
Then go here:
http://www.wheelbuilder.com/aero-disc-covers.html
and get a disc cover for the rear wheel.

The difference between 60mm and 90mm for most of us is something silly like 3-5 minutes in a HIM. The 60 will not pick up the wind as much and if you decide to get into pure cycling stuff, 60 is still legal.

2013-07-14 10:56 AM
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Originally posted by DanielG

You want a universal set of race wheels?

Whoever (HED, SRAM, FLO, ZIPP) 60 rear, 60 front
Then go here:
http://www.wheelbuilder.com/aero-disc-covers.html
and get a disc cover for the rear wheel.

The difference between 60mm and 90mm for most of us is something silly like 3-5 minutes in a HIM. The 60 will not pick up the wind as much and if you decide to get into pure cycling stuff, 60 is still legal.


Agreed with DanielG in terms of the wheelset; toroidal 60mm will give you a great wheelset for pretty much any triathlon when paired with a disc cover.

In terms of the bold, you aren't looking at 3-5 minutes over 90km with the switch from 60mm to 90mm; for most triathletes, due to their average speed and yaw conditions, the 60-90mm will only be a few seconds faster over 40km and may actually be slower. The best you could hope for would be a savings of 45s over a HIM bike leg as you go from 60mm to 90mm.

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2013-07-14 11:42 AM
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Is renting race wheels once/twice a year the most cost effective? A way to try out a potential purchase. If not, then pick up a pair of used race wheels that will likely cost 50% of the new retail price. Adding a rear disc cover is cost effective.
2013-07-14 12:01 PM
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Hard to beat the price on Flo wheels unless you buy used. Renting is a great option but sounds like you guys want to buy.
2013-07-14 12:12 PM
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I don't think that IM Cozumel, like Kona, allows rear discs.

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2013-07-14 12:27 PM
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I don't think that IM Cozumel, like Kona, allows rear discs.

Mark



This is correct; missed the Cozumel part of the first post. I would still go with the 60/60 wheelset, especially if bike racing may be something you would consider. If not, then I would go for a 60/90 set (as this will help handling in crosswinds) and get a cover for the 90 when racing at events where it is allowed.

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2013-07-14 3:32 PM
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Thanks for all the help!

DH is leaning toward 60/90 combo, whereas I'm leaning more toward 60/60. I like the idea of the cover, and we'll probably both do that eventually.

I appreciate the info about the time saving difference b/t the 60 and 90 on the real wheel. Do you think my frame can handle a 90 on the rear in wind? That's my biggest concern. Is there a big difference between the 60 and 90 in terms of control?
2013-07-14 3:45 PM
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I run S80s front and rear on my P2. Been very happy with them and they are priced pretty well.
2013-07-14 3:50 PM
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Originally posted by Sarah73

Thanks for all the help!

DH is leaning toward 60/90 combo, whereas I'm leaning more toward 60/60. I like the idea of the cover, and we'll probably both do that eventually.

I appreciate the info about the time saving difference b/t the 60 and 90 on the real wheel. Do you think my frame can handle a 90 on the rear in wind? That's my biggest concern. Is there a big difference between the 60 and 90 in terms of control?


Although it is counterintuitive, handling actually improves with a deeper rear wheel. So your 60/60 would be less stable in windy conditions than a f0/90 which in turn would be less stable than a 60/disc.

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2013-07-14 3:58 PM
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Originally posted by gsmacleod

Originally posted by Sarah73

Thanks for all the help!

DH is leaning toward 60/90 combo, whereas I'm leaning more toward 60/60. I like the idea of the cover, and we'll probably both do that eventually.

I appreciate the info about the time saving difference b/t the 60 and 90 on the real wheel. Do you think my frame can handle a 90 on the rear in wind? That's my biggest concern. Is there a big difference between the 60 and 90 in terms of control?


Although it is counterintuitive, handling actually improves with a deeper rear wheel. So your 60/60 would be less stable in windy conditions than a f0/90 which in turn would be less stable than a 60/disc.

Shane


Interesting!! So why are discs banned for high cross wind races?


2013-07-14 4:41 PM
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I just got my new Flo 60/90 combination in the mail a few days ago, and they got their first test out in a duathlon this morning. In the past I've rented wheels perhaps once per year for my main event of the year, but now I'll be able to have fancy wheels more often.

I like the Flo wheels so far. And I'm not willing to blame them for my poor bike performance in today's race. I'll blame the engine instead.
2013-07-14 7:04 PM
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Originally posted by colinphillips

I just got my new Flo 60/90 combination in the mail a few days ago, and they got their first test out in a duathlon this morning. In the past I've rented wheels perhaps once per year for my main event of the year, but now I'll be able to have fancy wheels more often.

I like the Flo wheels so far. And I'm not willing to blame them for my poor bike performance in today's race. I'll blame the engine instead.


Did you have to go through that Pre-order thing from the Flo website? They emailed me that they have one specific day to place an order, and that they usually sell out within 15 minutes. Is that the only way to get Flo wheels?
2013-07-14 7:12 PM
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Originally posted by Sarah73

Originally posted by colinphillips

I just got my new Flo 60/90 combination in the mail a few days ago, and they got their first test out in a duathlon this morning. In the past I've rented wheels perhaps once per year for my main event of the year, but now I'll be able to have fancy wheels more often.

I like the Flo wheels so far. And I'm not willing to blame them for my poor bike performance in today's race. I'll blame the engine instead.


Did you have to go through that Pre-order thing from the Flo website? They emailed me that they have one specific day to place an order, and that they usually sell out within 15 minutes. Is that the only way to get Flo wheels?


Yes, I'm afraid that's still the only way to get them, as they're still greatly oversubscribed. I tried in May, and had my order lined up, but while I was going back and forth in my mind about which specific wheels to get they sold out. So for the June order I was ready to go, and raced to get my information into the online form as soon as the store opened. It would be nice if the wheels were easier to get a hold of, but I'm sure that this type of sales approach is one of the things that helps to keep the prices down. The brothers who run the company have been super transparent in explaining why they're doing what they're doing, and very helpful in response to people's questions. And the wheels came within a couple of weeks of placing the order. Production appears to be ramping up, so the order days seem to be more frequent currently.
2013-07-18 8:56 PM
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Subject: RE: Wheel help!
Originally posted by Sarah73

Originally posted by colinphillips

I just got my new Flo 60/90 combination in the mail a few days ago, and they got their first test out in a duathlon this morning. In the past I've rented wheels perhaps once per year for my main event of the year, but now I'll be able to have fancy wheels more often.

I like the Flo wheels so far. And I'm not willing to blame them for my poor bike performance in today's race. I'll blame the engine instead.


Did you have to go through that Pre-order thing from the Flo website? They emailed me that they have one specific day to place an order, and that they usually sell out within 15 minutes. Is that the only way to get Flo wheels?


Right now yes. Our demand is much higher than our supply however, we are doing everything to grow as quickly as possible. Last year we imported and sold 1500 wheels, this year we are on track to sell between 3500 and 4500 wheels. Our next sale is this Thursday July 25th and if the number of sign ups are any indication, the order should sell out fairly quickly. The last three containers (400-600 wheels) have sold in about 12-15 minutes.

We realize this is a pain for some people and we are working hard to have a more steady supply of stock on hand. As others have said, we are a start up and growing a company (specifically at this rate) takes a fine balance of many variables. I wrote an article about our growth plans if you are interested. http://flocycling.blogspot.com/2013/06/flo-cycling-adjusting-to-gro...

Thanks for the interest. Let me know if you have any additional questions.

Take care,
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