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2013-08-19 4:38 PM
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Subject: RE: Cheaters at local race

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 I don't understand when I run past other racers who are having a conversation. Aren't we racing here?  

Ban talking during races.

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2013-08-19 4:43 PM
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Subject: RE: Cheaters at local race

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Originally posted by Chillin The other warning about wearing headphones during a race is that you'll miss out on a lot of the race excitement. You won't be able to listen to bands, hear people cheering, or talk to other runners.
This is the main reason I like wearing them. I hate talking to other runners. Also, I really don't want to hear some frat boy spectator yelling at me to "put on a shirt fattie*!" But like I said, if they were banned (not discouraged, BANNED, as they are in triathlons, then I would not wear them). *Yes, happened to me.*
LOL, well more the cheering and overall race excitement then socializing with other runners. I don't understand when I run past other racers who are having a conversation. Aren't we racing here? WTF? I've never seen spectators be anything but encouraging (Maybe because us Canadians are all so polite ). I hope he was told off by the other spectators.

no, lots of us aren't racing.  not everyone is out for a podium.  I love making chit chat with other racers, makes my 65 minute 10k go a lot quicker.

I fully plan to talk to lisac during my first marathon, even though i'm allowed headphones.  BOOM.

2013-08-19 4:44 PM
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Subject: RE: Cheaters at local race
Originally posted by lisac957

Originally posted by Chillin

 I don't understand when I run past other racers who are having a conversation. Aren't we racing here?  

Ban talking during races.

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I find that the discussions before and after are the most offensive.

2013-08-19 4:46 PM
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Subject: RE: Cheaters at local race
Originally posted by lisac957

Originally posted by Chillin

 I don't understand when I run past other racers who are having a conversation. Aren't we racing here?  

Ban talking during races.

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ban people that aren't racing during races.

2013-08-19 4:48 PM
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Subject: RE: Cheaters at local race
Originally posted by mehaner

Originally posted by lisac957

Originally posted by Chillin

 I don't understand when I run past other racers who are having a conversation. Aren't we racing here?  

Ban talking during races.

Laughing

ban people that aren't racing during races.




Or just ban people who can't finish in the top 3!!! Duh.
2013-08-19 4:49 PM
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Subject: RE: Cheaters at local race
Originally posted by mr2tony

Originally posted by mehaner

Originally posted by lisac957

Originally posted by Chillin

 I don't understand when I run past other racers who are having a conversation. Aren't we racing here?  

Ban talking during races.

Laughing

ban people that aren't racing during races.




Or just ban people who can't finish in the top 3!!! Duh.


Just ban people. Let the canines race!


2013-08-19 4:50 PM
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Subject: RE: Cheaters at local race
Originally posted by gotab
Originally posted by mr2tony
Originally posted by mehaner
Originally posted by lisac957

Originally posted by Chillin

 I don't understand when I run past other racers who are having a conversation. Aren't we racing here?  

Ban talking during races.

Laughing

ban people that aren't racing during races.

Or just ban people who can't finish in the top 3!!! Duh.
Just ban people. Let the canines race!

ban all dogs that bark at bicycles.

2013-08-19 4:57 PM
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Subject: RE: Cheaters at local race
Originally posted by mehaner

Originally posted by Chillin
Originally posted by gotab
Originally posted by Chillin The other warning about wearing headphones during a race is that you'll miss out on a lot of the race excitement. You won't be able to listen to bands, hear people cheering, or talk to other runners.
This is the main reason I like wearing them. I hate talking to other runners. Also, I really don't want to hear some frat boy spectator yelling at me to "put on a shirt fattie*!" But like I said, if they were banned (not discouraged, BANNED, as they are in triathlons, then I would not wear them). *Yes, happened to me.*
LOL, well more the cheering and overall race excitement then socializing with other runners. I don't understand when I run past other racers who are having a conversation. Aren't we racing here? WTF? I've never seen spectators be anything but encouraging (Maybe because us Canadians are all so polite ). I hope he was told off by the other spectators.

no, lots of us aren't racing.  not everyone is out for a podium.  I love making chit chat with other racers, makes my 65 minute 10k go a lot quicker.

I fully plan to talk to lisac during my first marathon, even though i'm allowed headphones.  BOOM.




Well if you are in a race... you Are racing. BOOM.

Has nothing to do with going for a podium, just about doing your best. Not challenging what you are saying I just don't understand it. Isn't that what training runs are for? Why are you in the race if not to do your best?
2013-08-19 4:57 PM
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Originally posted by happyscientist

I did a small triathlon this weekend (62 entrants) and was bothered that time penalties weren't being handed out for blatant rule violations. Not only were they letting people ride and run with earbuds, but they were letting people ride into and out of transition. I made sure to get off the bike before the dismount line, but a couple people just rode all the way to the racks. It makes me mad that people are allowed to cheat. It was even worse that it was a small race because there are fewer people between MOP and podium.


I don't have a big sample size, as I've only done four sprints this year, but the most blatant cheating I saw was in my smallest race (around 150 people). There was no one enforcing any rules and I saw 3 riders cut the bike course by around 3/4 of a mile, cutting across a loop course early. It was clearly marked, obviously not accidental. The ride was very spread out, so no need to be on top of anyone, yet they were riding together, pretty much in a pace line, so they were already drafting before they all cut the course. It bothered me but I wasn't going to play hall monitor and try to memorize their numbers. Had I done that, then I would be thinking about THEM the rest of my race instead of focusing on myself. I guess some people need to boost their egos by cheating to move up a place or two in a little local sprint tri. That's really, really pathetic, IMO.
2013-08-19 4:59 PM
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Subject: RE: Cheaters at local race
Originally posted by lisac957

Originally posted by Chillin

 I don't understand when I run past other racers who are having a conversation. Aren't we racing here?  

Ban talking during races.

Laughing




No way, the people that aren't taking it seriously help everyone else get better overall times. So I encourage talking.
2013-08-19 5:07 PM
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Subject: RE: Cheaters at local race
Originally posted by Chillin

Well if you are in a race... you Are racing. BOOM.

Has nothing to do with going for a podium, just about doing your best. Not challenging what you are saying I just don't understand it. Isn't that what training runs are for? Why are you in the race if not to do your best?


There are many different reasons that people participate in sport and while competition is certainly a driving factor for many, there are others who still enjoy sport but don't really care that much for the competitive side of things. Regardless of those who would tell them otherwise.

Shane


2013-08-19 5:15 PM
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Subject: RE: Cheaters at local race
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There are many different reasons that people participate in sport and while competition is certainly a driving factor for many, there are others who still enjoy sport but don't really care that much for the competitive side of things. Regardless of those who would tell them otherwise.

Shane


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2013-08-19 5:18 PM
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Subject: RE: Cheaters at local race
Originally posted by gsmacleod

Originally posted by Chillin

Well if you are in a race... you Are racing. BOOM.

Has nothing to do with going for a podium, just about doing your best. Not challenging what you are saying I just don't understand it. Isn't that what training runs are for? Why are you in the race if not to do your best?


There are many different reasons that people participate in sport and while competition is certainly a driving factor for many, there are others who still enjoy sport but don't really care that much for the competitive side of things. Regardless of those who would tell them otherwise.

Shane


Sport absolutely yes. Paying for a race and choosing to not do your best when you could just run the same course for free while not racing seems strange to me.
2013-08-19 5:23 PM
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Subject: RE: Cheaters at local race
Originally posted by Chillin

Sport absolutely yes. Paying for a race and choosing to not do your best when you could just run the same course for free while not racing seems strange to me.



Emphasis mine.

I agree as I don't enjoy racing unless I am trained and prepared to race as best I can; however that doesn't mean that others feel the same way.

Goose, Herman Edwards I am not

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2013-08-19 6:36 PM
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Subject: RE: Cheaters at local race

Originally posted by Chillin
Originally posted by gsmacleod
Originally posted by Chillin Well if you are in a race... you Are racing. BOOM. Has nothing to do with going for a podium, just about doing your best. Not challenging what you are saying I just don't understand it. Isn't that what training runs are for? Why are you in the race if not to do your best?
There are many different reasons that people participate in sport and while competition is certainly a driving factor for many, there are others who still enjoy sport but don't really care that much for the competitive side of things. Regardless of those who would tell them otherwise. Shane
Sport absolutely yes. Paying for a race and choosing to not do your best when you could just run the same course for free while not racing seems strange to me.

This may be shocking, but not everyone has the same goals and aspirations. 

Different strokes. No one is right or wrong. 

In my case I've been doing this for 8 or 9 years (?) and in October will be running a marathon for charity. I'm putting in the training, traveling many states away, paid the registration fee and am committed to raising a ton of money for a great organization ------- and yet I have no plans to stress my body any more than I need to in order to finish with a smile on my face. I will stop and walk to help my sister check her blood sugar during the race. I will unnecessarily stop at a porta potty with a friend if she needs to go, or take an extra walk break to stay with her. I will not push my limits. It will not be a PR. I will thoroughly enjoy it and feel good about my efforts. I don't think that's "strange."



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Subject: RE: Cheaters at local race
Originally posted by lisac957

Originally posted by Chillin
Originally posted by gsmacleod
Originally posted by Chillin Well if you are in a race... you Are racing. BOOM. Has nothing to do with going for a podium, just about doing your best. Not challenging what you are saying I just don't understand it. Isn't that what training runs are for? Why are you in the race if not to do your best?
There are many different reasons that people participate in sport and while competition is certainly a driving factor for many, there are others who still enjoy sport but don't really care that much for the competitive side of things. Regardless of those who would tell them otherwise. Shane
Sport absolutely yes. Paying for a race and choosing to not do your best when you could just run the same course for free while not racing seems strange to me.

This may be shocking, but not everyone has the same goals and aspirations. 

Different strokes. No one is right or wrong. 

In my case I've been doing this for 8 or 9 years (?) and in October will be running a marathon for charity. I'm putting in the training, traveling many states away, paid the registration fee and am committed to raising a ton of money for a great organization ------- and yet I have no plans to stress my body any more than I need to in order to finish with a smile on my face. It will not be a PR. I will thoroughly enjoy it and feel good about my efforts. I don't think that's "strange."




"This may be shocking, but not everyone has the same goals and aspirations." lol no really? Why the sarcasm?

"in October will be running a marathon for charity. I'm putting in the training, traveling many states away, paid the registration fee and am committed to raising a ton of money for a great organization ------- and yet I have no plans to stress my body any more than I need to in order to finish with a smile on my face. It will not be a PR. I will thoroughly enjoy it and feel good about my efforts." If the only reason you are doing it is for charity then that makes sense... Sort of. You still didn't mention why you would choose not to do your best, that is the part I don't understand.

"I don't think that's "strange." " No of course not, but you have to see how many people would see it as such.

EDIT : you edited your post to include that you will not be doing your best so you can support your friends and family (presumably to do their best? Or just to finish their first). That makes sense but I'd wager that most people that don't push themselves to do thier best aren't doing it to support others. But if that's the reason it is of course a good one.

Edited by Chillin 2013-08-19 6:52 PM


2013-08-19 8:24 PM
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Subject: RE: Cheaters at local race
Originally posted by Chillin
Originally posted by lisac957

Originally posted by Chillin
Originally posted by gsmacleod
Originally posted by Chillin Well if you are in a race... you Are racing. BOOM. Has nothing to do with going for a podium, just about doing your best. Not challenging what you are saying I just don't understand it. Isn't that what training runs are for? Why are you in the race if not to do your best?
There are many different reasons that people participate in sport and while competition is certainly a driving factor for many, there are others who still enjoy sport but don't really care that much for the competitive side of things. Regardless of those who would tell them otherwise. Shane
Sport absolutely yes. Paying for a race and choosing to not do your best when you could just run the same course for free while not racing seems strange to me.

This may be shocking, but not everyone has the same goals and aspirations. 

Different strokes. No one is right or wrong. 

In my case I've been doing this for 8 or 9 years (?) and in October will be running a marathon for charity. I'm putting in the training, traveling many states away, paid the registration fee and am committed to raising a ton of money for a great organization ------- and yet I have no plans to stress my body any more than I need to in order to finish with a smile on my face. It will not be a PR. I will thoroughly enjoy it and feel good about my efforts. I don't think that's "strange."

"This may be shocking, but not everyone has the same goals and aspirations." lol no really? Why the sarcasm? "in October will be running a marathon for charity. I'm putting in the training, traveling many states away, paid the registration fee and am committed to raising a ton of money for a great organization ------- and yet I have no plans to stress my body any more than I need to in order to finish with a smile on my face. It will not be a PR. I will thoroughly enjoy it and feel good about my efforts." If the only reason you are doing it is for charity then that makes sense... Sort of. You still didn't mention why you would choose not to do your best, that is the part I don't understand. "I don't think that's "strange." " No of course not, but you have to see how many people would see it as such. EDIT : you edited your post to include that you will not be doing your best so you can support your friends and family (presumably to do their best? Or just to finish their first). That makes sense but I'd wager that most people that don't push themselves to do thier best aren't doing it to support others. But if that's the reason it is of course a good one.

Can I ask why it matters to you why others race? Or at least, matters enough for you to go back and forth questioning my reasons and others?

2013-08-19 9:27 PM
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Wait what...wasn't this thread about cheating?

The recent conversation seems a bit strange.



Edited by Jason N 2013-08-19 9:28 PM
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Subject: RE: Cheaters at local race
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Originally posted by lisac957

Originally posted by Chillin

 I don't understand when I run past other racers who are having a conversation. Aren't we racing here?  

Ban talking during races.

Laughing

No way, the people that aren't taking it seriously help everyone else get better overall times. So I encourage talking.

I know some people who talk during a race who would destroy you...... just saying.  Laughing  

2013-08-19 9:29 PM
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Subject: RE: Cheaters at local race
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Wait what...wasn't this thread about cheating?

The recent conversation seems a bit strange.




DON'T JUDGE ME!

2013-08-19 9:32 PM
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Originally posted by Jason N

Wait what...wasn't this thread about cheating?

The recent conversation seems a bit strange.

DON'T JUDGE ME!

You're not supposed to respond to me as if we are talking to each other.  That should be against the rules...thus cheating.  See...now we're back on topic.



2013-08-19 9:40 PM
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Originally posted by Goosedog
Originally posted by Jason N

Wait what...wasn't this thread about cheating?

The recent conversation seems a bit strange.

DON'T JUDGE ME!

You're not supposed to respond to me as if we are talking to each other.  That should be against the rules...thus cheating.  See...now we're back on topic.




Wait . . . alright you win. I think. Under protest.






2013-08-19 9:57 PM
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Subject: RE: Cheaters at local race
Originally posted by lisac957

Originally posted by Chillin
Originally posted by lisac957

Originally posted by Chillin
Originally posted by gsmacleod
Originally posted by Chillin Well if you are in a race... you Are racing. BOOM. Has nothing to do with going for a podium, just about doing your best. Not challenging what you are saying I just don't understand it. Isn't that what training runs are for? Why are you in the race if not to do your best?
There are many different reasons that people participate in sport and while competition is certainly a driving factor for many, there are others who still enjoy sport but don't really care that much for the competitive side of things. Regardless of those who would tell them otherwise. Shane
Sport absolutely yes. Paying for a race and choosing to not do your best when you could just run the same course for free while not racing seems strange to me.

This may be shocking, but not everyone has the same goals and aspirations. 

Different strokes. No one is right or wrong. 

In my case I've been doing this for 8 or 9 years (?) and in October will be running a marathon for charity. I'm putting in the training, traveling many states away, paid the registration fee and am committed to raising a ton of money for a great organization ------- and yet I have no plans to stress my body any more than I need to in order to finish with a smile on my face. It will not be a PR. I will thoroughly enjoy it and feel good about my efforts. I don't think that's "strange."

"This may be shocking, but not everyone has the same goals and aspirations." lol no really? Why the sarcasm? "in October will be running a marathon for charity. I'm putting in the training, traveling many states away, paid the registration fee and am committed to raising a ton of money for a great organization ------- and yet I have no plans to stress my body any more than I need to in order to finish with a smile on my face. It will not be a PR. I will thoroughly enjoy it and feel good about my efforts." If the only reason you are doing it is for charity then that makes sense... Sort of. You still didn't mention why you would choose not to do your best, that is the part I don't understand. "I don't think that's "strange." " No of course not, but you have to see how many people would see it as such. EDIT : you edited your post to include that you will not be doing your best so you can support your friends and family (presumably to do their best? Or just to finish their first). That makes sense but I'd wager that most people that don't push themselves to do thier best aren't doing it to support others. But if that's the reason it is of course a good one.

Can I ask why it matters to you why others race? Or at least, matters enough for you to go back and forth questioning my reasons and others?




Save yourself the time and slam your head against a wall now to save yourself the headache you're walking in to.

That said, I'm signed up for a marathon for a GREAT cause in Feb I'll be doing for the 3rd year in a row and it's JUST FOR FUN! 100% proceeds go straight to breast cancer research and I could have just donated the money but why not run. I'm taking the run easy in hopes to PR my HIM time in March.

I agree with the consensus. I see a lot of talking and "group" running, in HM and Mary's esp, and while it's not for me I totally understand why people do it. I race my races but also take the time to high five friends and family racing also.
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Subject: RE: Cheaters at local race
Originally posted by lisac957

Can I ask why it matters to you why others race? Or at least, matters enough for you to go back and forth questioning my reasons and others?




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2013-08-19 10:11 PM
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Originally posted by lisac957

Originally posted by Chillin
Originally posted by lisac957

Originally posted by Chillin
Originally posted by gsmacleod
Originally posted by Chillin Well if you are in a race... you Are racing. BOOM. Has nothing to do with going for a podium, just about doing your best. Not challenging what you are saying I just don't understand it. Isn't that what training runs are for? Why are you in the race if not to do your best?
There are many different reasons that people participate in sport and while competition is certainly a driving factor for many, there are others who still enjoy sport but don't really care that much for the competitive side of things. Regardless of those who would tell them otherwise. Shane
Sport absolutely yes. Paying for a race and choosing to not do your best when you could just run the same course for free while not racing seems strange to me.

This may be shocking, but not everyone has the same goals and aspirations. 

Different strokes. No one is right or wrong. 

In my case I've been doing this for 8 or 9 years (?) and in October will be running a marathon for charity. I'm putting in the training, traveling many states away, paid the registration fee and am committed to raising a ton of money for a great organization ------- and yet I have no plans to stress my body any more than I need to in order to finish with a smile on my face. It will not be a PR. I will thoroughly enjoy it and feel good about my efforts. I don't think that's "strange."

"This may be shocking, but not everyone has the same goals and aspirations." lol no really? Why the sarcasm? "in October will be running a marathon for charity. I'm putting in the training, traveling many states away, paid the registration fee and am committed to raising a ton of money for a great organization ------- and yet I have no plans to stress my body any more than I need to in order to finish with a smile on my face. It will not be a PR. I will thoroughly enjoy it and feel good about my efforts." If the only reason you are doing it is for charity then that makes sense... Sort of. You still didn't mention why you would choose not to do your best, that is the part I don't understand. "I don't think that's "strange." " No of course not, but you have to see how many people would see it as such. EDIT : you edited your post to include that you will not be doing your best so you can support your friends and family (presumably to do their best? Or just to finish their first). That makes sense but I'd wager that most people that don't push themselves to do thier best aren't doing it to support others. But if that's the reason it is of course a good one.

Can I ask why it matters to you why others race? Or at least, matters enough for you to go back and forth questioning my reasons and others?




Curiosity.

We are simply having a discussion here, if you'd rather not share then please don't.

I simply made a comment (to someone else not you) that I didn't understand why people would not give 100% in a race, if people (like you) choose to directly reply to me then of course I'm going to reply. Why wouldn't I?
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