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2006-07-24 12:35 PM

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Subject: Brick Bonk - Biking Lessons Learned
I thought I would share my experience from my brick workout yesterday in case anyone else is in a similar situation. One thing is for sure, endurance workouts teach you ALMOST as much as lessons learned in a race.

I planned on a 50 mile bike and 10 mile run as I prepare for my first 1/2 IM. The bike went well and I averaged approximately 18.5 MPH on the first 25 miles. I felt good and thought that I would pick it up on the second 25 and averaged 19 MPH. I got off the bike and the legs felt pretty good. I took off on my run and ran a 7:45 first mile. Knowing that I could feasibly race at a 7:45 pace I neded to back off. I slowed down to about an 8:30 pace for the next 7 miles. We'll talk about the last 2 miles in a minute.

I know now that I needed to hydrate better on the ride. As everyone is already aware, the evaporation of sweat is something that us reformed runners have a hard time acknowledging. It was a relatively cool morning (as Atlanta weather goes) and, like I said, I felt good coming off the bike. I probably had 40 ounces of Gatorade during the ride but I was bone dry from a sweat perspective. I also brought two Clif bars for the ride but ate only one. I also had two gels during the ride. Also, when I took off on the run I failed to bring any water. There was a water fountain close to the turnaround point and I took advantage of that.

Well, back to the last two miles. I hit the wall at the beginning of mile 9. I struggled for most of this mile and managed a 9:30 mile. Mile 10 was worse. I did the unspeakable ... I walked! Yeah, yeah I know, walking during a long run is not a sin but it is something that I am not accustomed to. My last mile was well over 10 minutes. I had SERIOUSLY bonked and recognize the feeling that I had at mile 20 of my first marathon.

So, in summary, I learned (and would appreciate confirmation) that:

1 - I need to hydrate more on a 50 mile bike ride and 10 mile run
2 - I need to fuel more on the bike (at least 2 Clif Bars and another gel or two)
3 - Hydrating during the run after having biked 50 miles is also critical

These are probably lessons that most people already know but I thought I would share as I have a pretty good running resume but the whole bike thing is pretty new to me.

Chris


2006-07-24 1:09 PM
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Subject: RE: Brick Bonk - Biking Lessons Learned
Glad you survived. When I started to bonk on a ride, I got completely shaky, to the point I was worried about falling over. I definitely do not want to repeat that experience...
2006-07-24 1:18 PM
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Subject: RE: Brick Bonk - Biking Lessons Learned
Looks like you learned the hard way (as most of us do regarding bonking) but thats what trainings for and now you know what needs to be done in terms of nutrition for your HIM.
2006-07-24 1:49 PM
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Subject: RE: Brick Bonk - Biking Lessons Learned
Thanks for the story. I had a similar experience on a 20 mile run while training for a marathon. Because of this experience I always seem to bring too much food and have gatorade left over. It also kept me from hitting any wall during the 26.2 event.

I think of it to remind myself how bad it can be.

By the way, way to go on the bike ride though. I've just began serious bike training. I did a 41mi ride averaging 14mph. I can't wait until I get up to to 18mph range.
2006-07-24 1:56 PM
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Subject: RE: Brick Bonk - Biking Lessons Learned
You definately learned some valuable lessons but that's an awefully long Brick. When is your HIM? Hope you left ample time to recover.
2006-07-24 3:20 PM
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Subject: RE: Brick Bonk - Biking Lessons Learned
My HIM is August 20 (Timberman). I would agree that a 50/10 is pretty long but, for me, a 10 mile run is nothing. The 50 mile bike was probably a little long. I am doing an International Tri next weekend and then I will taper.

With that being said, I am a little sore today ... I typically am not sore from a 50 mile bike or a 10 mile run. Probably the two combined was a little too much.


2006-07-24 3:41 PM
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Yeah I'd call that more of a race simulation than a brick.  At least you learned from it and have plenty of time to recover. I guess that's what the International is for huh ? Smile

I'll see you at Timberman! Enjoy  the rest of your training. 

 

Tri-Atlanta - 2006-07-24 4:20 PM My HIM is August 20 (Timberman). I would agree that a 50/10 is pretty long but, for me, a 10 mile run is nothing. The 50 mile bike was probably a little long. I am doing an International Tri next weekend and then I will taper. With that being said, I am a little sore today ... I typically am not sore from a 50 mile bike or a 10 mile run. Probably the two combined was a little too much.

2006-07-24 7:08 PM
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Good observations and you may want to take a couple of goos along with you on the run as well.
2006-07-24 7:28 PM
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Subject: RE: Brick Bonk - Biking Lessons Learned
I had a similar exeperience this weekend doing my Olympic distance brick. Bike went well,18.6mph over hills at 6k ft in elevation. A PB for me on this course. Run started well (very flat fast course) and ended with me walking the last mile. Needles to say it was the slowest 6 mi. I have ran in a very long time. I had plenty of drink with me on the run so I walked it out and reflected on the days training.

My new training equation for multi hour endurance events is:

SlowDown (2) GoFast
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Distance


Have a good one, and may your next brick be a better one, I know mine will be.
2006-07-24 7:57 PM
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It's better to bonk in training than on the course. I bonked at mile 20 on a marathon. I did the first 20 miles in 3 hours and the last 10K in 1:20.
2006-07-24 8:34 PM
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Tri-Atlanta - 2006-07-24 3:20 PM My HIM is August 20 (Timberman). I would agree that a 50/10 is pretty long but, for me, a 10 mile run is nothing. The 50 mile bike was probably a little long. I am doing an International Tri next weekend and then I will taper. With that being said, I am a little sore today ... I typically am not sore from a 50 mile bike or a 10 mile run. Probably the two combined was a little too much.

Hey I am also getting ready for Tman! (less than a month to go ) I have to agree that that brick is VERY long. If running 10 miles is nothing for you why don’t you spend more time riding which seems to be a limiter and do a shorter run as it is a strength for you > i.e. 60-70 miles easy/steady ride follow by a 20-30 min transition run at HIM pace. Anyway, it is just a suggestion that might help you to get ready for that bike course



2006-07-25 12:15 AM
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Too me it sounded like you did many of the right things.  A bit light on the fluids on the bike.  I also thought that cliff bars were pretty slow digesting and that you would be better of with gues or blocks.

I did a mini version of what you did on Sunday.  33 mile bike, 5.2 mile run.  Biked around 20mph (prob more like 21 but a few lights that mess up the times).  It was 2 PM on a pretty hot humid day, probably in the 90s.  I really struggled on the run.  I had water available and my stomach was sloshing so that was not an issue.  I ate a little candy on the bike but nothing on the run.  I'm concerned about my ability to handle the heat.  I have a 1/2 IM in Iowa in August, which is likely to be hot with little shade.

I bought a fuel belt to help for hydration on runs.  In races I cant choke down anything from one of those bastard dixie cups.  In races I use blocks and gues, with my limining factor my avoidance of puking.

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