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Nov 15-Dec 15 "Swim Speed Secrets" Book Club (Page 9)
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 2013-11-26 9:00 AM in reply to: ceilidh |
Extreme Veteran  1018 |  Subject: RE: Nov 15-Dec 15 "Swim Speed Secrets" Book ClubCan somebody clarify this drill set: 4× 0:30 standing scull drill @ 0:45 100 free build @ 1:40, 2:00, 2:15, or 2:30 Does it mean scull for 30 seconds, rest, and then start swimming at the 45th second? Or do you scull 4 times before you swim? Then swim 100 4 times? |
| 2013-11-26 9:04 AM in reply to: switch |
Extreme Veteran 2261    Ridgeland, Mississippi | Subject: RE: Nov 15-Dec 15 "Swim Speed Secrets" Book Club Originally posted by switch Originally posted by axteraa From what I can tell it's a challenge to see how many yds/meters you can swim in one hour sometime in the month of January.Originally posted by simpsonbo Maybe we need to start a T60 Challenge parallel to the USMS T60. How does that work? But I thought long, continuous swims were a waste of time?
I'll try anything once. I won't be someone competing in USMS for highest yardage, but it would be cool to do it once a year and see if I can improve over time.
The only time I swam an hour straight in the pool was part of a race sim workout for IMAZ. It was not a lot of fun. |
| 2013-11-26 9:05 AM in reply to: GAUG3 |
Elite 7783  PEI, Canada | Subject: RE: Nov 15-Dec 15 "Swim Speed Secrets" Book Club Originally posted by GAUG3 Can somebody clarify this drill set: 4× 0:30 standing scull drill @ 0:45 100 free build @ 1:40, 2:00, 2:15, or 2:30 Does it mean scull for 30 seconds, rest, and then start swimming at the 45th second? Or do you scull 4 times before you swim? Then swim 100 4 times? I would read that as scull for 30s, rest for 15 then do the set of 100s and repeat 4 times through. |
| 2013-11-26 9:14 AM in reply to: switch |
Master 1946 Bronze member | Subject: RE: Nov 15-Dec 15 "Swim Speed Secrets" Book Club Taking the plunge!! (couldn't help myself..lol) |
| 2013-11-26 9:17 AM in reply to: switch |
| Master 10208 Northern IL | Subject: RE: Nov 15-Dec 15 "Swim Speed Secrets" Book Club Originally posted by switch Originally posted by axteraa From what I can tell it's a challenge to see how many yds/meters you can swim in one hour sometime in the month of January.Originally posted by simpsonbo Maybe we need to start a T60 Challenge parallel to the USMS T60. How does that work? But I thought long, continuous swims were a waste of time?
I'll try anything once. I won't be someone competing in USMS for highest yardage, but it would be cool to do it once a year and see if I can improve over time.
Can we use a pull buoy? |
| 2013-11-26 9:30 AM in reply to: brigby1 |
Regular 5477 LHOTP | Subject: RE: Nov 15-Dec 15 "Swim Speed Secrets" Book Club Originally posted by brigby1 Are you making fun of me?Originally posted by switch Originally posted by axteraa From what I can tell it's a challenge to see how many yds/meters you can swim in one hour sometime in the month of January.Originally posted by simpsonbo Maybe we need to start a T60 Challenge parallel to the USMS T60. How does that work? But I thought long, continuous swims were a waste of time? :) I'll try anything once. I won't be someone competing in USMS for highest yardage, but it would be cool to do it once a year and see if I can improve over time.
Can we use a pull buoy? |
| 2013-11-26 9:31 AM in reply to: isis |
Regular 5477 LHOTP | Subject: RE: Nov 15-Dec 15 "Swim Speed Secrets" Book Club Originally posted by isis Welcome! Tell us about your swimming :)Taking the plunge!! (couldn't help myself..lol) |
| 2013-11-26 9:38 AM in reply to: axteraa |
Regular 5477 LHOTP | Subject: RE: Nov 15-Dec 15 "Swim Speed Secrets" Book Club Originally posted by axteraa I guess I read it as scull for 30, wait 15, then do 1 building 100 on one of the times listed. If you swim a 100 build in 1:45, then picking the 2:00 interval would give you 15 seconds rest before starting the next set of sculling followed by a building 100.Originally posted by GAUG3 Can somebody clarify this drill set: 4× 0:30 standing scull drill @ 0:45 100 free build @ 1:40, 2:00, 2:15, or 2:30 Does it mean scull for 30 seconds, rest, and then start swimming at the 45th second? Or do you scull 4 times before you swim? Then swim 100 4 times? I would read that as scull for 30s, rest for 15 then do the set of 100s and repeat 4 times through. So it would look like: 1) scull 30 sec 2) Rest 15 sec 3) swim a 100, building in speed as you go and have a brief rest 10-15 sec after (pick an interval time that allows for the rest) back to #1 and repeat 3 additional times through |
| 2013-11-26 9:41 AM in reply to: switch |
Elite 7783 PEI, Canada | Subject: RE: Nov 15-Dec 15 "Swim Speed Secrets" Book Club You are right, I didn't read that carefully enough. I thought there were 4 x 4 x 100 but that's not right. |
| 2013-11-26 9:47 AM in reply to: switch |
Extreme Veteran 1018 | Subject: RE: Nov 15-Dec 15 "Swim Speed Secrets" Book Club Thank you! This is the next work out. 3× 0:40 standing scull drill @ 1:00 4 × 25 one-arm drill @ 0:15 rest 70–75% Is this right: Scull for 40 seconds Rest for 20 seconds Swim 25 yards with right arm Rest for 15 seconds Swim 25 yards with left arm Rest for 15 seconds Swim 25 yards with right arm Rest for 15 seconds Swim 25 yards with left arm Rest for 15 seconds Repeat all that 2 more times |
| 2013-11-26 9:49 AM in reply to: GAUG3 |
Regular 5477 LHOTP | Subject: RE: Nov 15-Dec 15 "Swim Speed Secrets" Book Club |
| 2013-11-26 9:49 AM in reply to: axteraa |
Regular 5477 LHOTP | Subject: RE: Nov 15-Dec 15 "Swim Speed Secrets" Book Club Originally posted by axteraa This is probably because as written it's just too easy for you ;PYou are right, I didn't read that carefully enough. I thought there were 4 x 4 x 100 but that's not right. |
| 2013-11-26 9:54 AM in reply to: switch |
Elite 7783 PEI, Canada | Subject: RE: Nov 15-Dec 15 "Swim Speed Secrets" Book Club Originally posted by switch Originally posted by axteraa This is probably because as written it's just too easy for you ;PYou are right, I didn't read that carefully enough. I thought there were 4 x 4 x 100 but that's not right. I'm not used to having a choice of pace times so I just read it as 4 100s. It's usually, "do this pace and quit your whining!" |
| 2013-11-26 2:55 PM in reply to: crusevegas |
Veteran 378 The Cold North | Subject: RE: Nov 15-Dec 15 "Swim Speed Secrets" Book Club Originally posted by crusevegas Originally posted by GLC1968 Yes, thanks for starting this and thanks to Yanti for chiming in! I'm so going to spend some time on Sheila's site at lunch (if I can hold off that long!!). I finished the book over the weekend and started reviewing the workouts. I hope to get to the pool for the first time in MONTHS this week. I do have a question though and maybe someone here has a suggestion.... There is NO WAY that I can read these workout cards without glasses (I'm old, I wear reading glasses now). I don't think they make 'reading' goggles, do they? Any suggestions on how to go about doing this? At least in the beginning, I'm going to need to be able to read these drills and hints and all, poolside. Maybe I just need to take my glasses to the pool... Print them out on with really Big Font on plain white paper then take clear packing tape the wide stuff over it on both sides, take a scissors and trim off all but a quarter to half inch on each side. Or put your workout in a freezer size Ziploc bag and forget about the taping stuff. Then next swim, just stick your next workout on top, also in the bag. All your workouts will stay dry and stay together. |
| 2013-11-26 3:03 PM in reply to: erincs |
Veteran 378 The Cold North | Subject: RE: Nov 15-Dec 15 "Swim Speed Secrets" Book Club Lots of good questions and comments in here, most of which I have (or have thought of) but haven't asked. I have the SS workout package, but haven't started it yet. I made it through the first half of the book and like how it focuses on the catch. I really feel like that's where I'm losing a lot of time. It's really hard for me to think of the "over a barrel" analogy while I'm swimming, but I might have something that makes sense in my mind now. Heading to the pool tonight for my first swim since reading some of the book. |
| 2013-11-27 8:49 AM in reply to: erincs |
Elite 7783 PEI, Canada | Subject: RE: Nov 15-Dec 15 "Swim Speed Secrets" Book Club Ok, I've now been to the pool 3 times while focusing primarily on maintaining the high elbow catch as much as possible. I'm really feeling it in my lats, especially just below my shoulder blade and I think I'm seeing the results in my times. I can't say I'm going faster than I have in the past but relative to where I think my swim fitness would normally be given the little I've done in the last few months, I am putting up some decent times. I'm going to keep at it and as my fitness gets better, see where it takes me. I'm not getting the whole "tone" thing she keeps mentioning. I'm going to have to re-read that.... |
| 2013-11-27 9:37 AM in reply to: axteraa |
| Subject: RE: Nov 15-Dec 15 "Swim Speed Secrets" Book Club Originally posted by axteraa Ok, I've now been to the pool 3 times while focusing primarily on maintaining the high elbow catch as much as possible. I'm really feeling it in my lats, especially just below my shoulder blade and I think I'm seeing the results in my times. I can't say I'm going faster than I have in the past but relative to where I think my swim fitness would normally be given the little I've done in the last few months, I am putting up some decent times. I'm going to keep at it and as my fitness gets better, see where it takes me. I'm not getting the whole "tone" thing she keeps mentioning. I'm going to have to re-read that.... I interpreted it to mean the time when muscles are actively engaged, the beginning of and through the pull opposed to the relaxed nature of the arm in the recovery. That's my take on it anyway. |
| 2013-11-27 12:47 PM in reply to: crusevegas |
Veteran 378 The Cold North | Subject: RE: Nov 15-Dec 15 "Swim Speed Secrets" Book Club Originally posted by crusevegas Originally posted by axteraa Ok, I've now been to the pool 3 times while focusing primarily on maintaining the high elbow catch as much as possible. I'm really feeling it in my lats, especially just below my shoulder blade and I think I'm seeing the results in my times. I can't say I'm going faster than I have in the past but relative to where I think my swim fitness would normally be given the little I've done in the last few months, I am putting up some decent times. I'm going to keep at it and as my fitness gets better, see where it takes me. I'm not getting the whole "tone" thing she keeps mentioning. I'm going to have to re-read that.... I interpreted it to mean the time when muscles are actively engaged, the beginning of and through the pull opposed to the relaxed nature of the arm in the recovery. That's my take on it anyway. That is how I understood it as well. |
| 2013-11-27 12:47 PM in reply to: erincs |
Regular 5477 LHOTP | Subject: RE: Nov 15-Dec 15 "Swim Speed Secrets" Book Club Erin--how'd it go?!? |
| 2013-11-27 12:50 PM in reply to: erincs |
Veteran 378 The Cold North | Subject: RE: Nov 15-Dec 15 "Swim Speed Secrets" Book Club I'm not sure if something finally clicked for me last night at the pool, or what! I was doing my normal stroke, but trying to focus on setting up my arm for the pull. I've always felt like I just don't get the catch portion, because I don't feel the water on my arms while I swim. All of a sudden, I started getting farther and farther ahead of my swim buddy, and I could feel the water on my whole arm. I was so excited! I did a few timed 100's (SCM) after that, and I dropped from 1:55/100m endurance pace last week, to 1:46/100m endurance pace last night! I woke up this morning and felt like I sleepwalked to the gym and did 100 lat pulldowns during the night. Is this a normal feeling from swimming? |
| 2013-11-27 12:53 PM in reply to: erincs |
Elite 7783 PEI, Canada | Subject: RE: Nov 15-Dec 15 "Swim Speed Secrets" Book Club Originally posted by erincs I'm not sure if something finally clicked for me last night at the pool, or what! I was doing my normal stroke, but trying to focus on setting up my arm for the pull. I've always felt like I just don't get the catch portion, because I don't feel the water on my arms while I swim. All of a sudden, I started getting farther and farther ahead of my swim buddy, and I could feel the water on my whole arm. I was so excited! I did a few timed 100's (SCM) after that, and I dropped from 1:55/100m endurance pace last week, to 1:46/100m endurance pace last night! I woke up this morning and felt like I sleepwalked to the gym and did 100 lat pulldowns during the night. Is this a normal feeling from swimming? Oh yeah, you got it.
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| 2013-11-27 1:06 PM in reply to: axteraa |
Regular 5477 LHOTP | Subject: RE: Nov 15-Dec 15 "Swim Speed Secrets" Book Club Originally posted by axteraa THAT IS AWESOME! Originally posted by erincs I'm not sure if something finally clicked for me last night at the pool, or what! I was doing my normal stroke, but trying to focus on setting up my arm for the pull. I've always felt like I just don't get the catch portion, because I don't feel the water on my arms while I swim. All of a sudden, I started getting farther and farther ahead of my swim buddy, and I could feel the water on my whole arm. I was so excited! I did a few timed 100's (SCM) after that, and I dropped from 1:55/100m endurance pace last week, to 1:46/100m endurance pace last night! I woke up this morning and felt like I sleepwalked to the gym and did 100 lat pulldowns during the night. Is this a normal feeling from swimming? Oh yeah, you got it. :) Nice work!
That makes me want to go to the pool :) Really strong work Erin.
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| 2013-11-27 1:44 PM in reply to: switch |
Veteran 378 The Cold North | Subject: RE: Nov 15-Dec 15 "Swim Speed Secrets" Book Club Wow, awesome! Thanks, I'm really excited! I can't wait to go back and keep working at it. I don't want to lose it! I've never felt that before while I swim! |
| 2013-11-27 1:47 PM in reply to: erincs |
Champion 14677 Bronze member | Subject: RE: Nov 15-Dec 15 "Swim Speed Secrets" Book Club Originally posted by erincs I'm not sure if something finally clicked for me last night at the pool, or what! I was doing my normal stroke, but trying to focus on setting up my arm for the pull. I've always felt like I just don't get the catch portion, because I don't feel the water on my arms while I swim. All of a sudden, I started getting farther and farther ahead of my swim buddy, and I could feel the water on my whole arm. I was so excited! I did a few timed 100's (SCM) after that, and I dropped from 1:55/100m endurance pace last week, to 1:46/100m endurance pace last night! I woke up this morning and felt like I sleepwalked to the gym and did 100 lat pulldowns during the night. Is this a normal feeling from swimming? By George! I think she's got it ! Yeeee Ha! |
| 2013-11-27 2:20 PM in reply to: erincs |
Veteran 1677 Houston, Texas | Subject: RE: Nov 15-Dec 15 "Swim Speed Secrets" Book Club Originally posted by erincs I'm not sure if something finally clicked for me last night at the pool, or what! I was doing my normal stroke, but trying to focus on setting up my arm for the pull. I've always felt like I just don't get the catch portion, because I don't feel the water on my arms while I swim. All of a sudden, I started getting farther and farther ahead of my swim buddy, and I could feel the water on my whole arm. I was so excited! I did a few timed 100's (SCM) after that, and I dropped from 1:55/100m endurance pace last week, to 1:46/100m endurance pace last night! I woke up this morning and felt like I sleepwalked to the gym and did 100 lat pulldowns during the night. Is this a normal feeling from swimming? That is so, so awesome!! I've found improvements in swimming seem to come in big chunks like that for some reason (I suspect they slow down as you get faster, but whatever). Enjoy your new speed  |
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