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 2013-09-29 8:43 AM |
Melon Presser  52116   |  Subject: New Marathon World Record at Berlin MarathonWilson Kipsang does it in 2:03:23!!! I think I could keep up with him for 100m at my dash pace for that ... |
| 2013-09-29 8:48 AM in reply to: TriAya |
Royal(PITA) 14270  West Chester, Ohio | Subject: RE: New Marathon World Record at Berlin Marathon That is ridiculously fast. How the heck can someone do 26.2 miles that fast? Geez, that's like my best half marathon!! |
| 2013-09-29 4:05 PM in reply to: TriAya |
Pro 5361 | Subject: RE: New Marathon World Record at Berlin Marathon Originally posted by TriAya Wilson Kipsang does it in 2:03:23!!! I think I could keep up with him for 100m at my dash pace for that ... Just to do the math: That's a 4:42.5/mi pace. 1:10 for a 400m 17.5 sec per 100m. For those that use VDOT. It's an 83. Apparently Mr. Kipsang's mom mated with a gazelle. |
| 2013-09-29 5:39 PM in reply to: morey000 |
Member 1004 | Subject: RE: New Marathon World Record at Berlin Marathon Any bets on whether there will be a sub 2 hour marathon one day? Any predictions on how many years before we get a sub 2 hour marathon? |
| 2013-09-29 5:59 PM in reply to: b2run |
Pro 6011 Camp Hill, Pennsylvania | Subject: RE: New Marathon World Record at Berlin Marathon Originally posted by b2run Any bets on whether there will be a sub 2 hour marathon one day? Any predictions on how many years before we get a sub 2 hour marathon? The debate over if/when it will ever happen seems to revive every time the record is broken. Here's an interesting article about it from 2 1/2 years ago: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/22/sports/22iht-ARENA22.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0 |
| 2013-09-29 6:15 PM in reply to: b2run |
Champion 9407 Montague Gold Mines, Nova Scotia | Subject: RE: New Marathon World Record at Berlin Marathon Originally posted by b2run Any bets on whether there will be a sub 2 hour marathon one day? Any predictions on how many years before we get a sub 2 hour marathon? I think there will be but it's going to be at least a generation and more than likely two before we see a sub 2:00. Of course, it could be much sooner but I think the odds are stacked against it happening in the next little while. I suspect Bekele is going to set the WR in the next couple of years and it is going to stand for quite a while (unless he continually lowers it). Shane |
| 2013-09-29 8:41 PM in reply to: TriAya |
Regular 673 SF Bay area | Subject: RE: New Marathon World Record at Berlin Marathon Originally posted by TriAya Awesome!! But how did he do in the swim and the run?Wilson Kipsang does it in 2:03:23!!! I think I could keep up with him for 100m at my dash pace for that ...  |
| 2013-09-30 8:35 AM in reply to: TTom |
Pro 5169 Burbs | Subject: RE: New Marathon World Record at Berlin Marathon unbelievable ! that's so, so freaking fast |
| 2013-09-30 8:47 AM in reply to: gsmacleod |
Champion 7136 Knoxville area | Subject: RE: New Marathon World Record at Berlin Marathon Wonder what kind of weight training program he was on. |
| 2013-09-30 9:02 AM in reply to: Leegoocrap |
Master 1858 Salt Lake City | Subject: RE: New Marathon World Record at Berlin Marathon Originally posted by Leegoocrap Wonder what kind of weight training program he was on. Crossfit. |
| 2013-09-30 9:02 AM in reply to: Leegoocrap |
Pro 5169 Burbs | Subject: RE: New Marathon World Record at Berlin Marathon Originally posted by Leegoocrap Wonder what kind of weight training program he was on. crossfit |
| 2013-09-30 9:18 AM in reply to: trishie |
Master 1858 Salt Lake City | Subject: RE: New Marathon World Record at Berlin Marathon Beat you  |
| 2013-09-30 10:19 AM in reply to: TriAya |
Expert 1394 Wilmington, NC | Subject: RE: New Marathon World Record at Berlin Marathon Stirring the pot. Hmm oddly enough in the last 9-10wk of training he did multiple 20 - 25 milers with large parts of those between 98% and 103% of race pace. He also did a couple of..........wait for it...................28 milers at 90% of race pace. |
| 2013-09-30 10:58 AM in reply to: Leegoocrap |
| Iron Donkey 38643 , Wisconsin | Subject: RE: New Marathon World Record at Berlin Marathon Originally posted by Leegoocrap Wonder what kind of weight training program he was on. I'd like to see him do an Iron Distance race, then we'll see how good he really is. |
| 2013-09-30 11:38 AM in reply to: morey000 |
| 81 | Subject: RE: New Marathon World Record at Berlin Marathon Originally posted by morey000 Originally posted by TriAya Wilson Kipsang does it in 2:03:23!!! I think I could keep up with him for 100m at my dash pace for that ... Just to do the math: That's a 4:42.5/mi pace. 1:10 for a 400m 17.5 sec per 100m. For those that use VDOT. It's an 83. Apparently Mr. Kipsang's mom mated with a gazelle. That is so friggin' fast! I do sprints regularly (love them). 15 seconds for a 100 meter. A 17.5 second hundred meters? Just try it. All you on BT, Just try it. It's certainly doable but you'll be panting at the end of it. Now, doing it for 26.2 miles? Wow!!! |
| 2013-09-30 11:41 AM in reply to: qrkid |
Pro 6011 Camp Hill, Pennsylvania | Subject: RE: New Marathon World Record at Berlin Marathon Originally posted by qrkidStirring the pot.Hmm oddly enough in the last 9-10wk of training he did multiple 20 - 25 milers with large parts of those between 98% and 103% of race pace. He also did a couple of..........wait for it...................28 milers at 90% of race pace. . ???How is that stirring the pot??? |
| 2013-09-30 12:58 PM in reply to: Leegoocrap |
Pro 5361 | Subject: RE: New Marathon World Record at Berlin Marathon Originally posted by Leegoocrap Wonder what kind of weight training program he was on. well, he's 6' tall and weighs 137 lbs. Not a lot of extra bulk going on there. |
| 2013-09-30 1:10 PM in reply to: TriMyBest |
| 18 | Subject: RE: New Marathon World Record at Berlin Marathon Originally posted by TriMyBest Originally posted by b2run Any bets on whether there will be a sub 2 hour marathon one day? Any predictions on how many years before we get a sub 2 hour marathon? The debate over if/when it will ever happen seems to revive every time the record is broken. Here's an interesting article about it from 2 1/2 years ago: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/22/sports/22iht-ARENA22.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0 In the NY Times article they talk about using a "rabbit" to pace and block the wind. I know in bike racing there is a huge advantage riding in the draft, I wonder how much it helps in running. It seems to me you could get three or four guys to pace you with each of them taking turns at the front for as long as they could last and then you finish off the end of the race much fresher. I would think the guy that just broke the record could go under 2 hours right now with that approach. |
| 2013-09-30 2:01 PM in reply to: rkestep |
Pro 5361 | Subject: RE: New Marathon World Record at Berlin Marathon Originally posted by rkestep ... I know in bike racing there is a huge advantage riding in the draft, I wonder how much it helps in running. It seems to me you could get three or four guys to pace you with each of them taking turns at the front for as long as they could last and then you finish off the end of the race much fresher. I would think the guy that just broke the record could go under 2 hours right now with that approach.
yes- it matters! And, since the impact of the wind goes up with the square of the velocity, and these guys are running nearly twice as fast as a 4hr marathoner- it makes 4x the difference. A light headwind can easily add ~10sec/mi on to your pace, and drafting will reduce 80% of that. With no wind, it might only be a couple seconds per mile- but stretch that over 26 miles and it's a minute or more. |
| 2013-09-30 2:37 PM in reply to: b2run |
Master 2372 | Subject: RE: New Marathon World Record at Berlin Marathon Originally posted by b2run Any bets on whether there will be a sub 2 hour marathon one day? Any predictions on how many years before we get a sub 2 hour marathon? Don't hold your breath: http://www.sportsscientists.com/2013/09/the-sub-2-hour-marathon-don... |
| 2013-09-30 2:46 PM in reply to: 0 |
| Seattle | Subject: RE: New Marathon World Record at Berlin Marathon Additionally, Irina Mikitenko set a worlds masters' best (she's 41) at 2:24:54 getting 3rd female. I especially love reading that kind of stuff. Amazing! Edited by Asalzwed 2013-09-30 2:47 PM |
| 2013-09-30 3:19 PM in reply to: rkestep |
| 754 | Subject: RE: New Marathon World Record at Berlin Marathon Originally posted by rkestep Originally posted by TriMyBest Originally posted by b2run Any bets on whether there will be a sub 2 hour marathon one day? Any predictions on how many years before we get a sub 2 hour marathon? The debate over if/when it will ever happen seems to revive every time the record is broken. Here's an interesting article about it from 2 1/2 years ago: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/22/sports/22iht-ARENA22.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0 In the NY Times article they talk about using a "rabbit" to pace and block the wind. I know in bike racing there is a huge advantage riding in the draft, I wonder how much it helps in running. It seems to me you could get three or four guys to pace you with each of them taking turns at the front for as long as they could last and then you finish off the end of the race much fresher. I would think the guy that just broke the record could go under 2 hours right now with that approach. Have you ever watched elites race? They do draft. They call it pacing, but they are completely blocked from the wind with runners surrounding them on all sides, only a couple feet away. The first time I saw it, I wondered how they could all run so closely together without stepping on each other's heels. But yeah, drafting or no, that is freakishly fast. Two more minutes, and they will be down to my HM time. |
| 2013-09-30 4:28 PM in reply to: TriMyBest |
| Subject: RE: New Marathon World Record at Berlin Marathon Originally posted by TriMyBest Originally posted by qrkidStirring the pot.Hmm oddly enough in the last 9-10wk of training he did multiple 20 - 25 milers with large parts of those between 98% and 103% of race pace. He also did a couple of..........wait for it...................28 milers at 90% of race pace. . ???How is that stirring the pot??? I suppose because there is a common belief that you don't need to run 22+ miles for marathon training. But when you do the math, it makes sense. Elite marathoner who's marathon pace is 4:50 mm. 90% of race pace is roughly 5:22 miles. So a 28 mile run at that pace takes him 2 hours and 31 minutes to finish. So now lets take the average age group marathoner who's in great shape. Say his marathon pace is 8:00 mm. 90% of race pace is roughly 8:54 mm. If he were to run at that pace for 2 hours and 31 minutes, that would get him to 17 miles. So while a 28 mile long run at 90% of race pace may sound like a lot...it's creating significantly less training stress to an elite marathoner as it does to a pretty good age grouper. So just because elite marathoners are doing them, it doesn't mean you should be doing them too. |
| 2013-09-30 4:33 PM in reply to: Jason N |
Pro 5361 | Subject: RE: New Marathon World Record at Berlin Marathon Originally posted by Jason N I suppose because there is a common belief that you don't need to run 22+ miles for marathon training. But when you do the math, it makes sense. Elite marathoner who's marathon pace is 4:50 mm. 90% of race pace is roughly 5:22 miles. So a 28 mile run at that pace takes him 2 hours and 31 minutes to finish. So now lets take the average age group marathoner who's in great shape. Say his marathon pace is 8:00 mm. 90% of race pace is roughly 8:54 mm. If he were to run at that pace for 2 hours and 31 minutes, that would get him to 17 miles. So while a 28 mile long run at 90% of race pace may sound like a lot...it's creating significantly less training stress to an elite marathoner as it does to a pretty good age grouper. So just because elite marathoners are doing them, it doesn't mean you should be doing them too.
^^^ well stated. |
| 2013-09-30 4:51 PM in reply to: 0 |
| Seattle | Subject: RE: New Marathon World Record at Berlin Marathon Originally posted by morey000 Originally posted by Jason N I suppose because there is a common belief that you don't need to run 22+ miles for marathon training. But when you do the math, it makes sense. Elite marathoner who's marathon pace is 4:50 mm. 90% of race pace is roughly 5:22 miles. So a 28 mile run at that pace takes him 2 hours and 31 minutes to finish. So now lets take the average age group marathoner who's in great shape. Say his marathon pace is 8:00 mm. 90% of race pace is roughly 8:54 mm. If he were to run at that pace for 2 hours and 31 minutes, that would get him to 17 miles. So while a 28 mile long run at 90% of race pace may sound like a lot...it's creating significantly less training stress to an elite marathoner as it does to a pretty good age grouper. So just because elite marathoners are doing them, it doesn't mean you should be doing them too.
^^^ well stated. Yeah, and additionally having the amount of weekly mileage (and consistency, and experience and, and and... And the bolded part is extremely important. Edited by Asalzwed 2013-09-30 5:05 PM |
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