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2013-10-28 12:01 PM

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Subject: Endurance only training can break you
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JANhIevk-Ow

"In 1985, Chris Hinshaw finished the Ironman in second place, and at the peak of his career, he was one of the best triathletes in the world. But years of endurance training left him brittle and barely functional.

Today, at 50 years old, Hinshaw runs a 4:58 mile.

“The only thing that I’m doing differently is adding CrossFit. That’s it,” he says. “I’m not only functional, I can do things that I could never have imagined myself doing even back when I was a triathlete, back when I was one of the best in the world at it.”"



I'm not suggesting that Crossfit is the only way, but I can tell you that after a year of just endurance training for IMAZ, I felt weak, old, and frail. Contrast to my feeling superhuman before I began...I'm a big proponent of cross training with weights to stay healthy and injury free.


2013-10-28 12:10 PM
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Subject: RE: Endurance only training can break you
nope not going there.
2013-10-28 12:17 PM
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Subject: RE: Endurance only training can break you

Originally posted by Leegoocrap nope not going there.

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2013-10-28 3:00 PM
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Originally posted by Leegoocrap

nope not going there.


Me either, kinda got roasted last time!
2013-10-28 3:05 PM
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Subject: RE: Endurance only training can break you
Originally posted by Zero2Athlete

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JANhIevk-Ow

"In 1985, Chris Hinshaw finished the Ironman in second place, and at the peak of his career, he was one of the best triathletes in the world. But years of endurance training left him brittle and barely functional.

Today, at 50 years old, Hinshaw runs a 4:58 mile.

“The only thing that I’m doing differently is adding CrossFit. That’s it,” he says. “I’m not only functional, I can do things that I could never have imagined myself doing even back when I was a triathlete, back when I was one of the best in the world at it.”"



I'm not suggesting that Crossfit is the only way, but I can tell you that after a year of just endurance training for IMAZ, I felt weak, old, and frail. Contrast to my feeling superhuman before I began...I'm a big proponent of cross training with weights to stay healthy and injury free.


I'll bite.

Sounds like a veiled attempt at advertising...I think we would all agree that some strength training is beneficial for triathletes, especially as we age. I think most will bristle when it is alleged that crossfit is the better way to train for SBR.

Okay, here we go...

2013-10-28 3:06 PM
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... sigh

Edited by Dnn 2013-10-28 3:13 PM


2013-10-28 3:10 PM
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Let the decline continue!

2013-10-28 3:11 PM
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I actually see my triathlon training as cross training.  Before, I was just running.  Now, I've added cycling and swimming.  Much better.

Would be good to add some strength in, I suppose.  Really just don't want to take time from the other three (actually three plus - I throw spin in there and do lots of other types of activities, especially in the "off" season - like hiking/canoeing/kayaking while hunting and such).

Balance, Grasshopper. 

I'm in much better shape and condition now that I tri than when I "just" ran.

Not really disagreeing, just saying there are many paths to being "fit."  Do whatever works for you.

 

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2013-10-28 3:14 PM
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Originally posted by Left Brain

Let the decline continue!

 

2013-10-28 3:14 PM
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I thought only this guy can break you

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2013-10-28 3:16 PM
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Originally posted by Dnn ... sigh

i didn't think your post needed any editing tbh



2013-10-28 3:28 PM
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Originally posted by trisuppo
Originally posted by Zero2Athlete http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JANhIevk-Ow"In 1985, Chris Hinshaw finished the Ironman in second place, and at the peak of his career, he was one of the best triathletes in the world. But years of endurance training left him brittle and barely functional. Today, at 50 years old, Hinshaw runs a 4:58 mile. “The only thing that I’m doing differently is adding CrossFit. That’s it,” he says. “I’m not only functional, I can do things that I could never have imagined myself doing even back when I was a triathlete, back when I was one of the best in the world at it.”" I'm not suggesting that Crossfit is the only way, but I can tell you that after a year of just endurance training for IMAZ, I felt weak, old, and frail. Contrast to my feeling superhuman before I began...I'm a big proponent of cross training with weights to stay healthy and injury free.
I'll bite. Sounds like a veiled attempt at advertising...I think we would all agree that some strength training is beneficial for triathletes, especially as we age. I think most will bristle when it is alleged that crossfit is the better way to train for SBR. Okay, here we go...

I'll bite too. 

Functional strength training (read: not crossfit) is somewhat necessary for athletes, and the need generally increases with age.

The older athletes that I coach are doing strength training at least 2x weekly - but it is things like planks, lunges, squats, and a few specific exercises to address specific imbalances/weaknesses. Not deadlifts, pull-ups, box-jumps and snatches...

I do strength training - I mostly address my core because I believe it helps my form in all three disciplines of tri - and I do a short, targeted routine to address the specific causes of my IT band issue. 

2013-10-28 3:53 PM
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I prefer weight training...

Had to get my licks in too... LOL...

Not going there either, I'll let the dog licks its....

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2013-10-28 5:06 PM
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Originally posted by ratherbeswimming

Originally posted by trisuppo
Originally posted by Zero2Athlete http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JANhIevk-Ow"In 1985, Chris Hinshaw finished the Ironman in second place, and at the peak of his career, he was one of the best triathletes in the world. But years of endurance training left him brittle and barely functional. Today, at 50 years old, Hinshaw runs a 4:58 mile. “The only thing that I’m doing differently is adding CrossFit. That’s it,” he says. “I’m not only functional, I can do things that I could never have imagined myself doing even back when I was a triathlete, back when I was one of the best in the world at it.”" I'm not suggesting that Crossfit is the only way, but I can tell you that after a year of just endurance training for IMAZ, I felt weak, old, and frail. Contrast to my feeling superhuman before I began...I'm a big proponent of cross training with weights to stay healthy and injury free.
I'll bite. Sounds like a veiled attempt at advertising...I think we would all agree that some strength training is beneficial for triathletes, especially as we age. I think most will bristle when it is alleged that crossfit is the better way to train for SBR. Okay, here we go...

I'll bite too. 

Functional strength training (read: not crossfit) is somewhat necessary for athletes, and the need generally increases with age.

The older athletes that I coach are doing strength training at least 2x weekly - but it is things like planks, lunges, squats, and a few specific exercises to address specific imbalances/weaknesses. Not deadlifts, pull-ups, box-jumps and snatches...

I do strength training - I mostly address my core because I believe it helps my form in all three disciplines of tri - and I do a short, targeted routine to address the specific causes of my IT band issue. 




Do you think that deadlifts, pull-ups, box-jumps, and snatches don't address your core?
2013-10-28 5:32 PM
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Subject: RE: Endurance only training can break you
Originally posted by Leegoocrap

nope not going there.


yup.

eta: Ed Whitlock did an AMA on Runner's World. Oddly enough, no one asked him why he wasn't doing CrossFit.

Edited by jennifer_runs 2013-10-28 5:34 PM
2013-10-28 6:28 PM
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It's all good. I don't see what the rumpus is about.


2013-10-28 6:28 PM
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Darn! They took the video down before I could see it.
2013-10-28 6:41 PM
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Originally posted by Clempson

Originally posted by Dnn ... sigh

i didn't think your post needed any editing tbh




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2013-10-28 7:40 PM
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Came into this thread looking for a flip turn debate...never mind...carry on.
2013-10-28 8:01 PM
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Originally posted by Zero2Athlete http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JANhIevk-Ow"In 1985, Chris Hinshaw finished the Ironman in second place, and at the peak of his career, he was one of the best triathletes in the world. But years of endurance training left him brittle and barely functional. Today, at 50 years old, Hinshaw runs a 4:58 mile. “The only thing that I’m doing differently is adding CrossFit. That’s it,” he says. “I’m not only functional, I can do things that I could never have imagined myself doing even back when I was a triathlete, back when I was one of the best in the world at it.”" I'm not suggesting that Crossfit is the only way, but I can tell you that after a year of just endurance training for IMAZ, I felt weak, old, and frail. Contrast to my feeling superhuman before I began...I'm a big proponent of cross training with weights to stay healthy and injury free.

I feel old, weak, and frail reading this thread.

2013-10-28 8:03 PM
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XXXX only can break/kill you. Substitute XXXX with pretty much anything you want in life. Fat, alcohol, sugar...heck, even good things like too much water can kill you.

Too much crossfit can give you rhabdo...


2013-10-28 8:04 PM
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Originally posted by FELTGood Came into this thread looking for a flip turn debate...never mind...carry on.

Turn IMO

2013-10-29 10:14 AM
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Originally posted by bcagle25
Originally posted by ratherbeswimming

Originally posted by trisuppo
Originally posted by Zero2Athlete http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JANhIevk-Ow"In 1985, Chris Hinshaw finished the Ironman in second place, and at the peak of his career, he was one of the best triathletes in the world. But years of endurance training left him brittle and barely functional. Today, at 50 years old, Hinshaw runs a 4:58 mile. “The only thing that I’m doing differently is adding CrossFit. That’s it,” he says. “I’m not only functional, I can do things that I could never have imagined myself doing even back when I was a triathlete, back when I was one of the best in the world at it.”" I'm not suggesting that Crossfit is the only way, but I can tell you that after a year of just endurance training for IMAZ, I felt weak, old, and frail. Contrast to my feeling superhuman before I began...I'm a big proponent of cross training with weights to stay healthy and injury free.
I'll bite. Sounds like a veiled attempt at advertising...I think we would all agree that some strength training is beneficial for triathletes, especially as we age. I think most will bristle when it is alleged that crossfit is the better way to train for SBR. Okay, here we go...

I'll bite too. 

Functional strength training (read: not crossfit) is somewhat necessary for athletes, and the need generally increases with age.

The older athletes that I coach are doing strength training at least 2x weekly - but it is things like planks, lunges, squats, and a few specific exercises to address specific imbalances/weaknesses. Not deadlifts, pull-ups, box-jumps and snatches...

I do strength training - I mostly address my core because I believe it helps my form in all three disciplines of tri - and I do a short, targeted routine to address the specific causes of my IT band issue. 

Do you think that deadlifts, pull-ups, box-jumps, and snatches don't address your core?

No, I just think they're not necessarily the right intensity and focus for S/B/R - and they require additional equipment that athletes may not have. I do prefer to provide them with comprehensive routines that can be done at home without any additional equipment.

2013-10-29 10:20 AM
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Originally posted by trisuppo
Originally posted by Zero2Athlete http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JANhIevk-Ow"In 1985, Chris Hinshaw finished the Ironman in second place, and at the peak of his career, he was one of the best triathletes in the world. But years of endurance training left him brittle and barely functional. Today, at 50 years old, Hinshaw runs a 4:58 mile. “The only thing that I’m doing differently is adding CrossFit. That’s it,” he says. “I’m not only functional, I can do things that I could never have imagined myself doing even back when I was a triathlete, back when I was one of the best in the world at it.”" I'm not suggesting that Crossfit is the only way, but I can tell you that after a year of just endurance training for IMAZ, I felt weak, old, and frail. Contrast to my feeling superhuman before I began...I'm a big proponent of cross training with weights to stay healthy and injury free.
I'll bite. Sounds like a veiled attempt at advertising...I think we would all agree that some strength training is beneficial for triathletes, especially as we age. I think most will bristle when it is alleged that crossfit is the better way to train for SBR. Okay, here we go...

Veiled??? where is it veiled????

also, he is wrong.

2013-10-29 10:29 AM
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Originally posted by ratherbeswimming

Originally posted by bcagle25
Originally posted by ratherbeswimming

Originally posted by trisuppo
Originally posted by Zero2Athlete http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JANhIevk-Ow"In 1985, Chris Hinshaw finished the Ironman in second place, and at the peak of his career, he was one of the best triathletes in the world. But years of endurance training left him brittle and barely functional. Today, at 50 years old, Hinshaw runs a 4:58 mile. “The only thing that I’m doing differently is adding CrossFit. That’s it,” he says. “I’m not only functional, I can do things that I could never have imagined myself doing even back when I was a triathlete, back when I was one of the best in the world at it.”" I'm not suggesting that Crossfit is the only way, but I can tell you that after a year of just endurance training for IMAZ, I felt weak, old, and frail. Contrast to my feeling superhuman before I began...I'm a big proponent of cross training with weights to stay healthy and injury free.
I'll bite. Sounds like a veiled attempt at advertising...I think we would all agree that some strength training is beneficial for triathletes, especially as we age. I think most will bristle when it is alleged that crossfit is the better way to train for SBR. Okay, here we go...

I'll bite too. 

Functional strength training (read: not crossfit) is somewhat necessary for athletes, and the need generally increases with age.

The older athletes that I coach are doing strength training at least 2x weekly - but it is things like planks, lunges, squats, and a few specific exercises to address specific imbalances/weaknesses. Not deadlifts, pull-ups, box-jumps and snatches...

I do strength training - I mostly address my core because I believe it helps my form in all three disciplines of tri - and I do a short, targeted routine to address the specific causes of my IT band issue. 

Do you think that deadlifts, pull-ups, box-jumps, and snatches don't address your core?

No, I just think they're not necessarily the right intensity and focus for S/B/R - and they require additional equipment that athletes may not have. I do prefer to provide them with comprehensive routines that can be done at home without any additional equipment.

Ben, you know I agree with you on many of the principles regarding the application of strength training for triathletes, but I don't prescribe any of those exercises to triathletes either.  Not necessarily because they're not effective, but because they're more technical, and I'm not there to monitor their technique.  Prescribing simpler exercises that may not have the same benefits, but are less technical in nature is my preference if I'm not there to teach proper technique.

 

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