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2013-11-25 2:55 PM

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Subject: 10 speed vs 11 speed- What would you do
I've been looking at a new bike. The problem I am running into is 10 speed 105 vs 11 speed Ultegra. . The difference in over all purchase price is only $300. So The other concern is I have a set of 50mm Bontrager wheels that are 9/10 speed hub that I would have to look at replacing the free hub to a 11 speed.

I've read issues about converting a 9-10 speed wheel to 11 speed. Should I just stick with the conventional 10 speed and save a few bucks and potential headaches?




2013-11-25 3:50 PM
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I would focus on Ultegra vs. 105 more than 11 vs 10 speed. I think 10 speed Ultegra would be my first choice, but that's not an option. Nothing wrong with keeping it simple if you're already set up for 10 speed, maybe that's the way to go unless you're looking to upgrade to 11 speed. I wouldn't think you would have to replace the hub, just the cassette, which shouldn't be that expensive;
2013-11-25 3:55 PM
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Subject: RE: 10 speed vs 11 speed- What would you do
Everything is going 11 speed. In a few years, that's what everything will be - until 12 speed comes out. I didn't have any issues switching my powertap wheels to 11-speed and they are working great. I like Ultegra way better than 105 (although I just bought a 10-speed CX bike with 105...).

All that said, you should be able to buy 10-speed cassettes for many years. If it's not going to break the bank, go with Ultegra. Otherwise, get the 105 and be happy.
2013-11-25 3:56 PM
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the problem is 11 speed cassette does not fit on 10 speed hub
2013-11-25 4:03 PM
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I'm finishing my new bike build, were I went 11-spd.   I was hanging out on the other site classifieds and found a brand new FLO hub+11 spd freewheel for $85 and am having my wheel changed out.  I didn't have the option of a 11spd free-wheel change so had to get a new hub.  No headaches other than spending a few more bucks!

If your hub is 11-spd freewheel compatible then its a swap and redish.

2013-11-25 4:10 PM
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Originally posted by DLR1 the problem is 11 speed cassette does not fit on 10 speed hub

per darkspeedworks, it does if you remove one of the cogs and setup the RD high & low limiters as a quasi 10 speed!  That way you can change out the rear wheel whenever your ready. 

 

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2013-11-25 6:02 PM
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Originally posted by MonkeyClaw Everything is going 11 speed. In a few years, that's what everything will be - until 12 speed comes out. I didn't have any issues switching my powertap wheels to 11-speed and they are working great. I like Ultegra way better than 105 (although I just bought a 10-speed CX bike with 105...). All that said, you should be able to buy 10-speed cassettes for many years. If it's not going to break the bank, go with Ultegra. Otherwise, get the 105 and be happy.

You can see Shimano's progression from 7 and 8 speed all the way up to 11 speed across all their groupsets here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shimano

If history is any indicator, we can probably expect Shimano 105 11 speed in a year or two.  Once that happens, pretty much every brand new race worthy bike on the market will be decked out with 11 speed by 2016.  Assuming SRAM will adopt a similar progression (they have so far) to stay on a level playing field marketing wise.  So the change is coming eventually.  There really isn't any "need" to change to 11 speed if you don't want to...but the market will change to 11 speed regardless of if you need it or not.

So if you aren't fully invested in 10 speed at the moment, I would strongly consider moving to 11 speed now.  I don't plan to make the jump for another couple of years...simply because I already have a lot of 10 speed stuff and I don't plan to buy another road/tri bike for a couple of years.

2013-11-25 6:43 PM
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I picked up a '12 model year version of a bike a few months ago w/ Ultegra 10-speed, and could have grabbed a '13 with 11-speed if I wanted.  I liked the paint scheme on the '12 much better, and 1 extra gear didn't really matter to me that much.  My old frame was shot so I couldn't really wait around to see what the '14 series with 11-speed would look like.

I'm happy with the 10-speed Ultegra.  I'm sure I would have been happy with 11-speed, too.  I was happy with my 9-speed DA that it replaced.  I think the 9-speed DA had a  slightly higher shifting/tunability quality than the Ultegra 10-speed does.  So as someone else pointed out, if I were in your shoes I'd contemplate the 105 vs. Ultegra question more than the 10 vs 11 speed question.  If you can afford the Ultegra, it's probably worth the extra $ over the 105.  I could have afforded DA on the new bike, but the price differential from the Ultegra to DA was just way too high to justify any quality difference in my mind.  I don't recall the price differential being so high between those two when I purchased the DA a decade ago.

2013-11-26 6:11 AM
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Subject: RE: 10 speed vs 11 speed- What would you do
From my limited experience, the 11 speed Dura Ace shifters smoother than the 10 speed Dura Ace, so I bet going from a 105 10-speed to the new 11 speed Ultegra, you should have a very nice upgrade. For $400 ($300 for the Ultegra and another $100 for the free hub body), I would get the Ultegra. BUT, it's your money and if $400 means no Christmas gifts for the kids or SO, then 105 will work perfectly well. :-)

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2013-12-04 11:57 AM
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Originally posted by audiojan From my limited experience, the 11 speed Dura Ace shifters smoother than the 10 speed Dura Ace, so I bet going from a 105 10-speed to the new 11 speed Ultegra, you should have a very nice upgrade. For $400 ($300 for the Ultegra and another $100 for the free hub body), I would get the Ultegra. BUT, it's your money and if $400 means no Christmas gifts for the kids or SO, then 105 will work perfectly well. :-)
Yesterday I spoke with the master mechanic that put my bike together and asked him what he thought about the 11-sdpd Ultegra 6800 after the test ride.  He said the RD shifts very smooth, better than 10-spd DA RD and the improvement with the front derailleur shifting is vastly better than any of the 10 speed FD.  He said it may also be part of the new 6800 crank design, said the chain simply snaps onto the rings. Sat is my fitting and I'm already glad I decided to spend the extra $ on the Ultegra 6800 parts.

2013-12-04 5:30 PM
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Subject: RE: 10 speed vs 11 speed- What would you do
So, how does it work with existing wheels? Do you simply need to change the free hub? Re-dish? Complete rebuild? New hubs?

To swap out my wheels would be beyond expensive.


2013-12-04 7:45 PM
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Originally posted by pitt83 So, how does it work with existing wheels? Do you simply need to change the free hub? Re-dish? Complete rebuild? New hubs? To swap out my wheels would be beyond expensive.

In my case I had to get a new hub to replace my existing, I found a new FLO Cycling hub on the other site and bought the 11-spd freehub for it from FLO.  The LBS was able to use my existing spokes and redished it, so I avoided the $ for new spokes. This route was 1/3rd the cost of a new FLO 90, that'll have to wait!

If I could have gone the freehub replacement route then only a redish would have been needed with it.

If your wheel/hub is already 11-spd compatible nothing changes.

2013-12-04 8:01 PM
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I read somewhere that you can use a Campi 11-speed cassette on older 8/9/10 speed zipp wheels. It might be worth looking into using a Campi cassette on your Bontrager race wheels. Campi cassettes are compatible with Shimano/SRAM drivetrains but Shimano/SRAM cassettes aren't compatible with Campi.
2013-12-05 1:27 PM
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Campy 11 fits the 9/10 speed hub, but it has to be a Campy hub, you can't fit it on a Shimano hub.
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