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2013-12-28 7:03 AM
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Originally posted by trigal38

I'm not 50 yet but even at 41 I am really noticing my body pretty much rejecting running. I'll be happy if I can make it to 50 at this rate. Never any major injuries but always something, to the point that I just don't care that much anymore. I'm sitting here with my foot in a bucket of ice water while I'm typing this!

Sorry your foot is sore. Ice water is good. May I ask what is wrong? I messed my metatarsals from a combo of things in the fall of 2012. High mileage, box jumps and low recovery. BrotherTri’s - Triathlon Training Support Group

Well, I think I probably have posterior tibial tendonitis. I have not been to the doctor this time. I've been to the podiatrist for so many other foot issues that I kind of already know the protocol. I have custom orthotics, I have a stability boot, I have a prescription NASID and I have ice. The only other thing he could tell me is that I've screwed it up so bad I need surgery and I don't really want to hear that . Thanks for asking. It forced me to go look it up. I've been wearing floppy sandals around the house and that is no no for this issue so back to my orthotics all day.

I had metatarsal issues a couple of years ago - not fun! Glad you resolved your issues.



2013-12-28 6:20 PM
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I'm 51 and have been doing triathlons for around four years. Prior to that I was fairly active - mountain biking, cross country skiing and squash with a running phase thrown in for a couple of year starting back in 2002.

2012 was a great year for me with personal bests in just about all of the running and triathlon distances that I entered. 2013 wasn't as good, so I guess I'll find out in the next couple of years whether my peak years are behind me.

My running and biking are about equal and are much stronger than my swimming, which basically sucks. Physically I have felt really good the last two or three years - none the disciplines leave me feeling particularly sore or tired afterwards. I know that a lot of athletes use ice baths, and rollers, and stretching and massage (and etc) to aid their recovery, but I don't do any of these things because I generally don't feel like I have pain or discomfort that needs the attention. (I haven't been racing longer than 10km running and Oly tris so I'm sure that some of the other posters are putting in more volume than I do.)

In order to improve my triathlon times I guess that swimming is the low hanging fruit for me - I really haven't put in the work that's needed to improve.
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2013-12-29 6:24 AM
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Originally posted by donw

I'm 51 and have been doing triathlons for around four years. Prior to that I was fairly active - mountain biking, cross country skiing and squash with a running phase thrown in for a couple of year starting back in 2002.

2012 was a great year for me with personal bests in just about all of the running and triathlon distances that I entered. 2013 wasn't as good, so I guess I'll find out in the next couple of years whether my peak years are behind me.

My running and biking are about equal and are much stronger than my swimming, which basically sucks. Physically I have felt really good the last two or three years - none the disciplines leave me feeling particularly sore or tired afterwards. I know that a lot of athletes use ice baths, and rollers, and stretching and massage (and etc) to aid their recovery, but I don't do any of these things because I generally don't feel like I have pain or discomfort that needs the attention. (I haven't been racing longer than 10km running and Oly tris so I'm sure that some of the other posters are putting in more volume than I do.)

In order to improve my triathlon times I guess that swimming is the low hanging fruit for me - I really haven't put in the work that's needed to improve.
Don


Don, keep it up man, looks like you are a doing great in the sport. I would not worry so much about how things are going to go in the future.

Dang……I was going to look at your logs to see what kind of swimming volume you had, but not’a. O’well, so what kind of yardage are you doing in the pool?
2013-12-29 11:40 AM
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I started triathlons this year at 58. I feel years younger because of it.
2013-12-29 2:55 PM
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I turn 55 this year and will be doing my first Ironman in Boulder on August 3rd. I have slowed down some but still can handle the training volume and speed workouts. The main thing that is different now that I am older is that I take longer to recover. Years ago I used to be able to incorporate two hard days in a row, now I have to take a rest / recovery day the day after a hard effort.



WOW nice first Ironman! You must like hills like me.

Yep, recovery really drives my training and is a fine balance for me. I paid for it last year by doing 2 HIM and a Ironman all in 3 months time frame. The first HIM was a brutal run for me and I never recovered well enough.




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Yes, I do like playing in the hills. I live in the South Denver Metro Area, most of my training rides have more hills and elevation than the Boulder IM course has. I did the Boulder 70.3 last year and thought that it was an easy course. The only factor that slowed me down was the 90+ degree heat on the run, the run course along Boulder Creek for the IM will have some shade and be cooler than the treeless run around the reservoir in the 70.3.

Of the three disciplines I think that running is the hardest when you begin to age. Since I came from a running background I am not seeing my running performance drop off as quickly as some people that weren't runners to start with. Since I am fairly new to S & B (mainly swimming since I did a lot of long charity rides in the 80s.) I am still getting faster in both of them due to improved form and training.

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2013-12-29 3:30 PM
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So the years are rolling by, and yet I am still going. I race at age 52 this year, as always I am hopeful for a good year. I am thankful I can still swim, bike and run.

I find triathlon training more and more interesting and challenging. I think and regrettable my running is taken the hit the hardest. My swim and bike seam ok, just the run seams harder to recovery as well as the most effort.

What seams to be your weaker event as the years tick by?


yep same, it's a 52 year for me too.

trying to rehab my running...which got really bad near the end of this season due to PF, & heel pain. So running is my "achilles heel", next is swimming with shoulder and elbow issues.

Biking a lot now in off season....looking for my first race in March.


2013-12-29 7:04 PM
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I started triathlons this year at 58. I feel years younger because of it.


Hey welcome to the sport!

I saw you posted in the other 8 year thread. I was not going post to that thread.....

Really start slow and enjoy.
2013-12-29 8:38 PM
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The obvious just dawned on me - I need to mention my role model, Bill Bell, who some of you have probably met. Bill started running in his early 50s when the doctor said to to help a heart problem. So Bill soon ran marathons, and then was one of the early Ironman finishers. He made the Wide World of Sports because his age was impressive then, and he podiumed even after breaking a chain.

Bill has gone on to finish a bunch of IMs and a total of 300+ tris so far! He still races, and at the Oceanside 70.3 this year, he was in the water at swim-out unzipping wetsuits. Bill is 91. He's a local hero in our circles here on the desert, and still flirts with the girls on Facebook. I want to be Bill Bell when I grow up



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on edit: I have to add that you should come to the Desert tris in La Quinta in a few weeks. Bill and his buddy Pam Galbraith give the beginners clinic every year, and it's hugely entertaining, probably more so for veteran triathletes than for newbs, who universally love the clinics too. Bill usually races too.


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2013-12-30 2:51 AM
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Cutting to the chase this aging thing is tricky. The common themes here seem to be:
1- Injury. As unwelcome as they are at some point they're probably inevitable. I find the older I get consessions have to be made in time ie go slower and or distance ie go shorter. Staying within ones limits helps a lot on the injury front. Yeah.... Duh. We learn this usually the hard way.
2- Recovery. The older I get recovery seems to take longer. Yeah I know, Duh again. I like to try to fit in 4 or 5 workouts over the course of a week ranging from 40 minutes to 1.5 hours (Mostly running and biking, Swimming in the summers only). About a year ago I started taking supplements geared towards recovery (a lot of stuff that ends in -ine). I was skeptical but a guy told me try them for a month, see if I notice anything, then stop and see if there's a difference/reversion. For me there's a noticeable difference. Not to intentionally redirect the discussion but I'd be interested to hear others thoughts on recovery geared supplements.

A couple other random thoughts.
- I've noticed drop offs around the 5 year marks ie 35, 45 rather than round numbers 40, 50.
- As mechanics change with age I found changing shoes has helped me a lot to adapt to the changes in stride and strike.
2014-01-01 11:59 AM
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Subject: RE: Over 50 Triathletes
Originally posted by Pacific John

The obvious just dawned on me - I need to mention my role model, Bill Bell, who some of you have probably met. Bill started running in his early 50s when the doctor said to to help a heart problem. So Bill soon ran marathons, and then was one of the early Ironman finishers. He made the Wide World of Sports because his age was impressive then, and he podiumed even after breaking a chain.

Bill has gone on to finish a bunch of IMs and a total of 300+ tris so far! He still races, and at the Oceanside 70.3 this year, he was in the water at swim-out unzipping wetsuits. Bill is 91. He's a local hero in our circles here on the desert, and still flirts with the girls on Facebook. I want to be Bill Bell when I grow up



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on edit: I have to add that you should come to the Desert tris in La Quinta in a few weeks. Bill and his buddy Pam Galbraith give the beginners clinic every year, and it's hugely entertaining, probably more so for veteran triathletes than for newbs, who universally love the clinics too. Bill usually races too.



I remember Bill. I believe I meet him on Oahu in 83' (I think). I believe he setup the non-sanctioned iron distance fun race the year before I did it on I Oahu. He may have been one of the organizers if i remember correctly.



2014-01-01 12:29 PM
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Cutting to the chase this aging thing is tricky. The common themes here seem to be:
1- Injury. As unwelcome as they are at some point they're probably inevitable. I find the older I get consessions have to be made in time ie go slower and or distance ie go shorter. Staying within ones limits helps a lot on the injury front. Yeah.... Duh. We learn this usually the hard way.
2- Recovery. The older I get recovery seems to take longer. Yeah I know, Duh again. I like to try to fit in 4 or 5 workouts over the course of a week ranging from 40 minutes to 1.5 hours (Mostly running and biking, Swimming in the summers only). About a year ago I started taking supplements geared towards recovery (a lot of stuff that ends in -ine). I was skeptical but a guy told me try them for a month, see if I notice anything, then stop and see if there's a difference/reversion. For me there's a noticeable difference. Not to intentionally redirect the discussion but I'd be interested to hear others thoughts on recovery geared supplements.

A couple other random thoughts.
- I've noticed drop offs around the 5 year marks ie 35, 45 rather than round numbers 40, 50.
- As mechanics change with age I found changing shoes has helped me a lot to adapt to the changes in stride and strike.



I think my biggest challenge is JUST the readjusting of my training and racing strategy to the aging thing. It seams to happen is spurts. I mean I sure did wake up a my body said you are not doing this.

I guess like you have noticed it in increments, just with me it seams 51 is when I really noticed things. I am just learning that changing things up helps a lot more now.


2014-01-01 1:41 PM
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I started triathlons this year at 58. I feel years younger because of it.


Hey welcome to the sport!

I saw you posted in the other 8 year thread. I was not going post to that thread.....

Really start slow and enjoy.


Yea, I should have read the original. I'm blaming my ADD.
2014-01-02 7:51 AM
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I'm 63, 1st Tri in 1995 at 55. I was a runner but running is still the toughest on the body. I find that biking and swimming is a good alternative to running, health wise. I hope to keep going and improving into the next age group, that's my goal.
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Cycling really chaps my arse
2014-01-04 7:10 AM
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I'm 63, 1st Tri in 1995 at 55. I was a runner but running is still the toughest on the body. I find that biking and swimming is a good alternative to running, health wise. I hope to keep going and improving into the next age group, that's my goal.


Why to go Mike! Keep it up......

I am interested to know how was running hard on your body. Did you suffer from feet or knee injuries? Also what type of footwear did you wear in your early running career?

Thank you.

2014-01-04 7:11 AM
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Cycling really chaps my arse


They make a cream for that.......



2014-01-04 7:47 AM
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I'm 55 and my first tri was in 2008. I've been running since I was 15 and my race pace for 10K now is the same as my easy long runs of 20 years ago. In 2013 I signed up for online coaching and utilized defined training plans and ended up with my PR for the Olympic distance. For a race I've done for the last 5 years, below are my bike and run paces. Note that in 2012 the run course changed and was made more difficult. The bike courses were the same.
year bike run
2009 18.96 8:24
2010 18.86 8:26
2011 18.87 8:55
2012 20.39 9:05
2013 20.14 8:16

From an injury perspective, I've learned that I need to listen to by body more. A tight calf muscle in the past I could just run through. Now a tight calf muscle means I need to take a break or end up with a strain that could keep me from running for several weeks or more.

Last fall I changed my swim stroke to try and get more efficient to improve my swim times. I pushed too hard and ended up with tendonitis in my elbow that has kept me from swimming for 2 months.

To answer the original question, biking has been my weakest event, but is the event I've been improving on. I have neck issues and can't get as aero as most people which affects my bike pace. Running I'll never get back to where I was years ago, but I've been improving in the run relative to others in my age group. In the Olympic age group nationals last summer, in my age group I was 63rd in swimming, 76th on the bike, and 45th for the run.
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Originally posted by donw

I'm 51 and have been doing triathlons for around four years. Prior to that I was fairly active - mountain biking, cross country skiing and squash with a running phase thrown in for a couple of year starting back in 2002.

2012 was a great year for me with personal bests in just about all of the running and triathlon distances that I entered. 2013 wasn't as good, so I guess I'll find out in the next couple of years whether my peak years are behind me.

My running and biking are about equal and are much stronger than my swimming, which basically sucks. Physically I have felt really good the last two or three years - none the disciplines leave me feeling particularly sore or tired afterwards. I know that a lot of athletes use ice baths, and rollers, and stretching and massage (and etc) to aid their recovery, but I don't do any of these things because I generally don't feel like I have pain or discomfort that needs the attention. (I haven't been racing longer than 10km running and Oly tris so I'm sure that some of the other posters are putting in more volume than I do.)

In order to improve my triathlon times I guess that swimming is the low hanging fruit for me - I really haven't put in the work that's needed to improve.
Don


Don, keep it up man, looks like you are a doing great in the sport. I would not worry so much about how things are going to go in the future.

Dang……I was going to look at your logs to see what kind of swimming volume you had, but not’a. O’well, so what kind of yardage are you doing in the pool?


I just checked my totals for 2013.
Swimming 81.65 km, 36.5 hours (37 visits to the pool)
Running 1126km, 98.5 hours
Biking 1364km, 183 hours (includes a lot of commuting)

The swimming comes in spurts. I did a weekly class in October / November which motivated me to get out for one or two additional swims per week. But I haven't been to the pool since the end of November. I'll get back to the pool again as the tri season gets closer and the end result will likely be a race pace that's a little slower than 2:00 per 100m - just like in other years. In winter, cross country skiing tends to bump swimming off of my activity list.
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2014-01-05 8:23 AM
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I agree with the injury/recovery theme. I'll be 52 in a few weeks, been running since HS. Never been injured running until last year, and it took forever to heal. Crashed my bike in August 2012 and still have nerve pain. I never needed a foam roller, ice, tape, sports massage, etc. just to get through the week. It's frustrating to think I've suddenly become mortal.

That being said, I am a late comer to triathlon, and didn't swim prior to 2011. No that I really swim now, but at least I'm on the surface more than under, and I've come to terms with never being a good swimmer. On the other hand, I found out how much fun cycling could be, and there is a lot of pleasure in being able to go spend a sunny Saturday or Sunday cycling with friends. To me, racing is just the icing on the cake. I'm not winning, but that doesn't mean I don't still enjoy competition.

2011 was a great year, first year of tri, and I managed 3 marathons and a BQ. 2012 was off to a great start, signed up for 2 HIM's but then the bike crash in August killed that idea. 2013 was off to a good start, ran Boston, but got injured, did a HIM three weeks later and it was nothing but pain. Season over. 2014 I am going to do a lot of sprints and a half, and focus more on biking and swimming. Sad to say, but all those years of high mileage running are finally catching up with me, so it's evolve or perish

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1st triathlon in 1985. Older means slower running and reduced frequency per week. Running is the hardest item to recover from and to avoid injury. Lots of treadmill running now which is easier on the body than on the road. Need to use a two week work and third week easy routine to minimize chance of going too hard, too slow. Use cross country skiing in winter months to provide variety and prevent burnout. Much harder to maintain weight as one gets older.
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Been following this thread since I'm  currently 51. Played tennis competitively as a junior and for a couple of years in college. Played tennis off and on over the years and ran fairly regulary. Lifted weights, played basketball, softball and stayed pretty active. Decided to do a triathlon to get in some cross training since every time I ramped up the running I ended up with an injury. Did 2 races in 2009 and been much more active 2010 through 2013. Did 11 races in 2013: 2 HIM, 2 oly and 7 sprints. Have steadily improved each year gaining USAT All American status this year...WOOHOO!

I actually think guys like me that get into it later have an advantage over some of the guys that have been doing it for 20+ years. Our bodies don't have all that acculmulated fatigue from training 3 sports for 20+ years. Sure that can also be a disadvantage but realistically once you reach around 45 the training is going to gradually wear on your joints. Sure we are more fit and the engine may be stronger but the chassis has more wear and tear. I had 2 surgeries on my right knee 20 years ago and it gives me problems off and on but actually is better now that I do triathlons than it was when I was just running.

Biggest problem I have is my right calf. Seems that every year when I build up my run in the Winter I end up with a calf strain. I roll and stretch and ART but it always seems to pop up and I'll lose a few weeks of running. One of my resolutions for 2014 is to incorporate more functional strength exercises in my training to try to help with muscle imbalance and core stability. Don't know if it will help but certainly can't hurt.....although it does right now

The thing that has helped me improve is being consistent. Working out consistently every week. I have not really taken an off season the last few years. The volume and intensity may drop off a little during the Winter months but not substantially. Its too hard to build back up with prolonged time away. Plus with living on the Gulf Coast race season runs from late March/early April through the end of October. I also have used a coach the last couple of years and that has helped immensely. I figure I have another 1-2 years of improvement. Then 2-3 years flat or maybe losing a bit then what will hopefully be only a gradual decline.....can't wait to age up to 55+ then 60.   

I averaged a little over 10 hours a week s/b/r last year. I truly enjoy training.....swimming still up for debate. No interest in IM distance as I don't know that my body would hold up to the type of training I would need to do to race well. So, I stay motivated racing alot and meeting lots of great people along the way.     



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