Looked like a snorkel? - Ironman Louisville swim start
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2013-12-27 3:38 PM |
24 | Subject: Looked like a snorkel? - Ironman Louisville swim start Sorry new to triathlon - quick question. i have just watched a you tube video of the start of Ironman Louisville. As I watched the swimmers going into the water I saw a lady with what looked like a snorkel? is this allowed? |
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2013-12-27 3:39 PM in reply to: axelle |
Pro 6191 | Subject: RE: Looked like a snorkel? - Ironman Louisville swim start Totally legal. |
2013-12-27 3:40 PM in reply to: ratherbeswimming |
Elite 3060 N Carolina | Subject: RE: Looked like a snorkel? - Ironman Louisville swim start Originally posted by ratherbeswimming Totally legal. x2. |
2013-12-27 3:45 PM in reply to: japarker24 |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: Looked like a snorkel? - Ironman Louisville swim start She's prolly still out there swimming in a circle. |
2013-12-27 3:46 PM in reply to: axelle |
Chicago, IL | Subject: RE: Looked like a snorkel? - Ironman Louisville swim start Originally posted by axelle Sorry new to triathlon - quick question. i have just watched a you tube video of the start of Ironman Louisville. As I watched the swimmers going into the water I saw a lady with what looked like a snorkel? is this allowed? From the athlete guide: Swim goggles, snorkels, or facemasks may be worn. Any athlete using a snorkel will not be eligible for Age Group awards, including IRONMAN Wold Championship slots and Rolldown slots. |
2013-12-27 5:53 PM in reply to: Brit Abroad |
Veteran 2297 Great White North | Subject: RE: Looked like a snorkel? - Ironman Louisville swim start Originally posted by Brit Abroad Originally posted by axelle Sorry new to triathlon - quick question. i have just watched a you tube video of the start of Ironman Louisville. As I watched the swimmers going into the water I saw a lady with what looked like a snorkel? is this allowed? From the athlete guide: Swim goggles, snorkels, or facemasks may be worn. Any athlete using a snorkel or any monster scuba style face mask, googles must be FINA approved will not be eligible for Age Group awards, including IRONMAN Wold Championship slots and Rolldown slots. Wish this was true. |
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2013-12-28 4:38 AM in reply to: simpsonbo |
Master 2406 Bellevue, WA | Subject: RE: Looked like a snorkel? - Ironman Louisville swim start Originally posted by simpsonbo Originally posted by Brit Abroad Wish this was true. Originally posted by axelle Sorry new to triathlon - quick question. i have just watched a you tube video of the start of Ironman Louisville. As I watched the swimmers going into the water I saw a lady with what looked like a snorkel? is this allowed? From the athlete guide: Swim goggles, snorkels, or facemasks may be worn. Any athlete using a snorkel or any monster scuba style face mask, googles must be FINA approved will not be eligible for Age Group awards, including IRONMAN Wold Championship slots and Rolldown slots. Snorkels have been legal for a few years now. I saw one in use at the IM Arizona start this last November. It seems to me that if someone "needs" a snorkel to swim, then the IM swim is not a good idea, certainly not the deep water start of IMAZ. But I suppose to each their own. I've read a few threads where people say they are faster/smoother with a snorkel, so maybe that's why these people use them. |
2013-12-28 7:21 AM in reply to: brucemorgan |
Veteran 2297 Great White North | Subject: RE: Looked like a snorkel? - Ironman Louisville swim start Relying on a tool to breathe is dangerous in a crowded OW swim in my opinion. |
2013-12-28 8:15 AM in reply to: simpsonbo |
Master 2642 Bloomington, MN | Subject: RE: Looked like a snorkel? - Ironman Louisville swim start couldn't agree more. |
2013-12-28 8:21 AM in reply to: simpsonbo |
Extreme Veteran 1986 Cypress, TX | Subject: RE: Looked like a snorkel? - Ironman Louisville swim start I think many people that use them in races do so because they have limited mobility with their neck and can't turn to breathe for an extended period of time. |
2013-12-28 10:12 AM in reply to: GMAN 19030 |
Pro 6011 Camp Hill, Pennsylvania | Subject: RE: Looked like a snorkel? - Ironman Louisville swim start Originally posted by GMAN 19030 I think many people that use them in races do so because they have limited mobility with their neck and can't turn to breathe for an extended period of time. ^^^This^^^ I train with a guy sometimes who is a stronger than average swimmer (usually top 15%-25%) who uses one for oly and longer because he has some neck issues from past injuries that will result in debilitating pain for days if he pushes through a longer distance turning to breathe. In his case, using the snorkel has nothing to do with swimming ability, and ironically, it probably slows him down a little, because he can't get as much air. I also just started coaching a woman who has a fusion in her neck from birth that limits her neck mobility. She's done a few HIM's, and is training for her first IM in 2014. The use of a snorkel is one of the things that we'll consider for her in the coming months. IMO, whenever these discussions arise, too many people only view the issue from their personal situation, and don't consider that everyone is unique. It's like the threads about not toeing the line of an IM unless you can swim, bike, or run x pace, or know that you can finish in 12 hours. Not everyone is in the M30-34 AG and fully healthy. For example, I have another new athlete who is a woman turning 50 this year, has an artificial hip as a result of a stress fracture from marathon training about 6-8 years ago, and is training for her first IM. Our plan is for her to walk the marathon, and if she can do any running, it will be a bonus. She was a D1 swimmer for Pitt, does the Chesapeake Bay Swim almost every year, and is a stronger than average biker, so there are a lot of people in every age group (including some pros) who will be chasing her out of the water, but she knows that her real challenge will begin at mile 114.4 when the run begins. Just finishing under the finish cutoff will be a huge victory considering her medical history. IMHO, the people who race in spite of these challenges are BA and deserve a lot more respect than they tend to be given in online forums.
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2013-12-28 11:16 AM in reply to: TriMyBest |
Alpharetta, Georgia | Subject: RE: Looked like a snorkel? - Ironman Louisville swim start Originally posted by TriMyBest IMO, whenever these discussions arise, too many people only view the issue from their personal situation, and don't consider that everyone is unique. Amen. Great post. |
2013-12-28 11:26 AM in reply to: TriMyBest |
Iron Donkey 38643 , Wisconsin | Subject: RE: Looked like a snorkel? - Ironman Louisville swim start Originally posted by TriMyBest . Much respect and understanding from this post. Thank you. Now maybe some arrogant (or perhaps intellectually-challenged or narrow-minded?) people will be a little less arrogant and more tolerant/understanding?Originally posted by GMAN 19030 I think many people that use them in races do so because they have limited mobility with their neck and can't turn to breathe for an extended period of time. ^^^This^^^ I train with a guy sometimes who is a stronger than average swimmer (usually top 15%-25%) who uses one for oly and longer because he has some neck issues from past injuries that will result in debilitating pain for days if he pushes through a longer distance turning to breathe. In his case, using the snorkel has nothing to do with swimming ability, and ironically, it probably slows him down a little, because he can't get as much air. I also just started coaching a woman who has a fusion in her neck from birth that limits her neck mobility. She's done a few HIM's, and is training for her first IM in 2014. The use of a snorkel is one of the things that we'll consider for her in the coming months. IMO, whenever these discussions arise, too many people only view the issue from their personal situation, and don't consider that everyone is unique. It's like the threads about not toeing the line of an IM unless you can swim, bike, or run x pace, or know that you can finish in 12 hours. Not everyone is in the M30-34 AG and fully healthy. For example, I have another new athlete who is a woman turning 50 this year, has an artificial hip as a result of a stress fracture from marathon training about 6-8 years ago, and is training for her first IM. Our plan is for her to walk the marathon, and if she can do any running, it will be a bonus. She was a D1 swimmer for Pitt, does the Chesapeake Bay Swim almost every year, and is a stronger than average biker, so there are a lot of people in every age group (including some pros) who will be chasing her out of the water, but she knows that her real challenge will begin at mile 114.4 when the run begins. Just finishing under the finish cutoff will be a huge victory considering her medical history. IMHO, the people who race in spite of these challenges are BA and deserve a lot more respect than they tend to be given in online forums.
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2013-12-28 1:36 PM in reply to: brucemorgan |
Master 2406 Bellevue, WA | Subject: RE: Looked like a snorkel? - Ironman Louisville swim start Originally posted by brucemorgan Snorkels have been legal for a few years now. I saw one in use at the IM Arizona start this last November. It seems to me that if someone "needs" a snorkel to swim, then the IM swim is not a good idea, certainly not the deep water start of IMAZ. But I suppose to each their own. I've read a few threads where people say they are faster/smoother with a snorkel, so maybe that's why these people use them. Using a snorkel because of neck mobility issues never occurred to me, nor have I heard that before in online forums. I've only heard of them as training aids. Anyway, I'm happy this rule change from a few years ago allows more people to complete who couldn't before. |
2013-12-30 12:01 PM in reply to: brucemorgan |
15 | Subject: RE: Looked like a snorkel? - Ironman Louisville swim start Nice, I like where this thread is heading. We don't know everyone's background or circumstances so we shouldn't assume what's best for them. Chances are they have already looked at their options. |
2013-12-30 12:14 PM in reply to: brucemorgan |
Extreme Veteran 1018 | Subject: RE: Looked like a snorkel? - Ironman Louisville swim start Guy at my pool uses one because his neck is fused. Pretty strong swimmer considering he is breathing through a key hole. |
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2013-12-30 2:03 PM in reply to: GAUG3 |
Champion 7704 Williamston, Michigan | Subject: RE: Looked like a snorkel? - Ironman Louisville swim start Exactly. You never know the journey the person next to you took to get to the start line. Sport is not just for the people who are the best at it it is for EVERYONE to enjoy |
2013-12-31 8:35 AM in reply to: Socks |
Extreme Veteran 1986 Cypress, TX | Subject: RE: Looked like a snorkel? - Ironman Louisville swim start The snorkel threads crack me up because there's some kind of implied cheating that goes on if someone swims with a snorkel. 1. I already brought up the neck issue which I would think covers 99% of the people using a snorkel in races. 2. While using a snorkel does indeed make for a more efficient stroke as your not interrupting your stroke with breathing but it's really freakin' hard to breathe with a snorkel. So any "advantage" with stroke efficiency is way offset by inefficient breathing. Way offset. It would be advantageous over short distances (maybe 100-200m) but the reduced amount of oxygen would certainly prove disadvantageous over any significant distance. No way I'd want to swim 2.4 miles with a snorkel. |
2013-12-31 8:50 AM in reply to: #4919148 |
Champion 10154 Alabama | Subject: RE: Looked like a snorkel? - Ironman Louisville swim start For you swim pros, what is the "proper" amount of head rotation with respect to the upper body? I try to rotate my upper body every stroke and find the head rotation is very minimal. |
2013-12-31 9:20 AM in reply to: Socks |
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2013-12-31 1:18 PM in reply to: GMAN 19030 |
Expert 2355 Madison, Wisconsin | Subject: RE: Looked like a snorkel? - Ironman Louisville swim start Originally posted by GMAN 19030 I think many people that use them in races do so because they have limited mobility with their neck and can't turn to breathe for an extended period of time. I think so as well and I believe you have to show a medical reason for it as well. |
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