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Subject: RE: Run training question - Zone 2 vs. getting faster

Originally posted by jennifer_runs I don't really want to quote the whole thing again, but I'll just say that there are different types of speed work, all with different purposes. If your workout only has 7 minutes of fast running (perhaps 1 minute fast, 2 min recovery x 7) then it's likely some form of strides which is great for running form/turnover training/etc. but not usually enough on their own to stimulate an increase in speed response. You also need to be doing the stamina workouts (tempo, lactate threshold, etc.) and VO2max workouts (which are longer intervals of around 3-4 minutes each). ANY of these workouts can be injury-inducing if done with too high frequency, so it's incorrect to say that 7 minutes at high intensity is less damaging than 20-30 minutes of tempo. It's all about balance and the RIGHT type of stimulation.

No, not strides......go back and look at the intervals of the workout I posted.  And your comment about "not enough to stimulate an increase in speed response" is just not understanding what the work does.  You also don't give credit to the VO2max workouts that can come from swimming and biking that absolutely do stress those systems with MUCH less stress on the legs.  The longer run intervals come as the season gets closer, but the speed work from what is being done now carries into those and allows for faster work.(but almost none will come close to 3-4 minutes, they will all be 400's and 800's on 60-70 seconds and 2:05-2:15......but those times can ne adjusted for running level)  The coaches working with him look at the whole picture.....it IS triathlon, and although the disciplines are different, the idea is to build a very fast race, and there are definite crossover benefits when building that race.  And the idea that the same principles can't apply to slower runners is just flat wrong.

I understand completely that there are many people who don't have an interest in this kind of work and can't see an application in it for their own training.....but there are plenty who are interested and can benefit from it.  My only beef is with folks who think there is only one way to get fast running......it's just not true, especially for people with god run genetics and aptitude.



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Subject: RE: Run training question - Zone 2 vs. getting faster
Originally posted by DannyII

I have looked at the BarryP training plan in depth, and liked it, but wondered how to incorporate it and keep cycling, swimming, a job and a happy wife all at the same time.



I found that starting it in the ``off season``, when you can afford to reduce swim and bike help a lot
If you find a way to better incorporate into your daily routine, like the short runs before morning shower, or run from work or....that really helps a lot.
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My only beef is with folks who think there is only one way to get fast running......it's just not true, especially for people with god run genetics and aptitude.




It seems to me that YOU think there is only one way to get faster, don't you?

I never said there was only one way. I just said that for MOST people who start running later in life, they will make more gains from building their aerobic base and doing only a small percentage of their running at higher intensities. And not every day. How you divide up the faster running depends on the individual, but there are ways that work well for many people.

I know I'll get injured if I do your teenage son's plan or even a version of it. Since I can't get much faster when I'm injured, I'll stick to my plan.

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Subject: RE: Run training question - Zone 2 vs. getting faster

Originally posted by jennifer_runs
My only beef is with folks who think there is only one way to get fast running......it's just not true, especially for people with god run genetics and aptitude.
It seems to me that YOU think there is only one way to get faster, don't you? I never said there was only one way. I just said that for MOST people who start running later in life, they will make more gains from building their aerobic base and doing only a small percentage of their running at higher intensities. And not every day. How you divide up the faster running depends on the individual, but there are ways that work well for many people. I know I'll get injured if I do your teenage son's plan or even a version of it. Since I can't get much faster when I'm injured, I'll stick to my plan.

That's ridiculous.  If you will look at the thread you will see that I have said you can get "faster" by running more.  In fact, only 3 or 4 posts ago I respond to a poster that he will absolutely be faster by doubling his mileage.  I don't think you read all of the posts.....and that's cool, but then you can't make sweeping comments like you do, because they don't hold up.

Now I will say again........it is NOT just my teenage son's plan.  He is extremely well coached and monitored by his coaches.....but they also coach older, slower runners, and the basic principles are the same.  You may not even recognize that we are actually having the same discussion we had a few months ago about run "strength" training......that's all this is.  You can't get wrapped up in "intensity" and "frequency" or you will miss the really good stuff.  If you want to run fast, you have to train fast and become a stronger runner. 

If you like your way and your plan then by all means stay the course........but there are other ways.....it's not arguable.

 



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