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Used Zipp 808s vs new Flo
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 2014-02-17 12:05 PM |
Regular  206  Evansville, Indiana |  Subject: Used Zipp 808s vs new FloHey everyone I have done a little searching but haven't really found the answer I'm needing. I am wondering if I should go with a used set of Zipp 808s or new Flo wheels. Essentially they are going to be the same price so is there a benefit to either, both are about $1000? The zipps I'm looking at do come with a wheel cover for the rear. Is there any aero data comparing the two? Now that the Flos have been out for a little while how are they holding up? I know zipps are tested tried and true but what about the Flos? I'm leaning more towards the zipps but I'm still on the fence and want to make sure I make the right choice since I'm getting ready to drop a grand on wheelsl Thanks |
| 2014-02-17 2:44 PM in reply to: fubar44 |
Pro 6191   | Subject: RE: Used Zipp 808s vs new Flo I can't find any direct aero comparison data. A review on Tririg says: "They get you 90% of the big-name performance at 25% of the price". I'm not sure how accurate that 90% statement is... but it gets the point across. Here's an article that's somewhat helpful: http://aerogeeks.com/2013/01/17/aero-wheelsets-and-why-it-doesnt-matter-much-which-one-you-buy/ If you want it now, or you want ones that will resell for about what you paid, or you want a tested, reliable, set-up, I vote Zipp. If you can wait for a mid-March shipment, and want to support the "little guy", I'd vote FLO. Not that FLO's aren't reliable - their track record is awesome - but only 3 years deep If it were me? I'd go Zipp. |
| 2014-02-17 3:03 PM in reply to: fubar44 |
Expert 2355 Madison, Wisconsin | Subject: RE: Used Zipp 808s vs new Flo Originally posted by fubar44 Hey everyone I have done a little searching but haven't really found the answer I'm needing. I am wondering if I should go with a used set of Zipp 808s or new Flo wheels. Essentially they are going to be the same price so is there a benefit to either, both are about $1000? The zipps I'm looking at do come with a wheel cover for the rear. Is there any aero data comparing the two? Now that the Flos have been out for a little while how are they holding up? I know zipps are tested tried and true but what about the Flos? I'm leaning more towards the zipps but I'm still on the fence and want to make sure I make the right choice since I'm getting ready to drop a grand on wheelsl Thanks The difference is minimal in FLO vs Zipp and really when you put the cost versus the difference FLO wins. They have a bit heavier wheels but the theory of weight over aero has been debunked numerous times. Zipp has more long-term reliability, FLO has unbelievable customer service. You can basically by the entire FLO set for the cost of Zipp 808 FC's. What Zipps are you looking at? If they are 1k I would assume either used, or late model? I'll end with by what are you getting out of Zipps versus FLO's other then a the name brand on the side of your wheel. |
| 2014-02-17 3:14 PM in reply to: 0 |
Member 388 Miami | Subject: RE: Used Zipp 808s vs new Flo I had the same dilemma and I went with FLO, 60/90 set up. I never had Zipp wheels, so I can't compare them, but I couldn't be happier with my decision. I will start with the cons: a. FLO wheels are a little heavier than Zipp (if you don't race hilly courses, this shouldn't be a critical factor) b. You will most likely have to wait longer to get FLO wheels than if you go with Zipp Pros: a. Brand new product: When I was doing my research I realized that there were a lot of used Zipp wheels for sale. Every seller swore that their wheels were in mint condition, only were used for racing, and all of them had less than $500 miles. Not sure if that was true or not, but I wasn't able to inspect the wheels before purchasing them and didn't want to get scammed. b. Customer Service: AMAZING. The owners answer your emails and calls personally. c. You don't need to change your brake pads. Not a major cost, but I like how I can switch back and forth between racing and training wheels without having to change my brake pads too. I had my wheels for about 6 months now and they are holding very well. I not only race on them, but I also train on them sometimes, so I put quite a few miles and they look like brand new. In regards to aerodynamics, not sure how they compare though. Good luck! I am sure that you will be happy with whatever decision you make! Edited by davidfedez 2014-02-17 3:33 PM |
| 2014-02-17 3:36 PM in reply to: davidfedez |
Elite 5145 Cleveland | Subject: RE: Used Zipp 808s vs new Flo
Physically, the only real difference (aside from the aforementioned dimples) I've ever noticed on Zipps is that the spokes have a seal/nipple/whatever on the inside of the fiber dish - I assumed that it is to make truing easier. The FLO's simply have spoke holes. Unless you will be truing your own wheels, this shouldn't matter to you at all, I'd say.
On resale value - from what I've been seeing, FLO's have essentially been holding retail value when selling used. I assume that this is largely due to the need to wait for the next pre-order to get any. This will probably change a bit once FLO is able to get up to the point of having actual stock levels - something they have said they want to do in 2014.
In short, between the two at the same price - it's a coin toss. If anything, the difference maker might be the included disc cover on the Zipp's - it'll save you the $90 of ordering a new one for the FLO's. |
| 2014-02-17 4:35 PM in reply to: cgregg |
Regular 206 Evansville, Indiana | Subject: RE: Used Zipp 808s vs new Flo I would be interested in the 90/90 from FLO as it would be the most aero combo outside of a 90/disc. The Zipp wheels are 2007's so no telling how many miles are actually on them. The seller says that they were only used for racing, which I believe because I have not actually ever seen anyone train on 808's, doesn't mean it doesn't happen its just I have never seen it. |
| 2014-02-17 5:01 PM in reply to: fubar44 |
| Member 102 Indiana | Subject: RE: Used Zipp 808s vs new Flo Just as an FYI....Zipp claims and has provided data that the newer Firecrest rim is much more aero efficient than the old shape (which a 2007 808 would be the older shape). In fact Zipp claims the Firecrest 404 is equal to or better than the old 808. The Flo more closely mimic the newer Zipp Firecrest rim and are likely more aero than the older Zipps. That said I have no experience with any of the Flo wheels while I have ridden Zipp carbon tubulars in the older rim shape and currently have 404 carbon clinchers in the Firecrest shape. I have had absolutely no issues with any of my Zipp wheels. The durability has been great and I train on them (ride daily) and am 180lbs. They have basically been bomb proof which I can't say about some other wheels from the experiences of others I ride with. |
| 2014-02-21 9:00 AM in reply to: davidfedez |
Member 178 Sioux Falls, SD | Subject: RE: Used Zipp 808s vs new Flo Originally posted by davidfedez c. You don't need to change your brake pads. Not a major cost, but I like how I can switch back and forth between racing and training wheels without having to change my brake pads too. This is one thing that I liked. No changing brake pads. I've got a Flo 60/90 set up and love it. They are a little heavier wheel, so as David said, it could make a small difference on hillier courses (that's one reason I went with a 60 front instead of a 90 front). Also, I use mine for training all the time and the fact they are an aluminum wheel with a carbon flaring makes them very durable (and more heavy). Not sure if they are more durable than the all carbon Zipp, but I have had zero issues with mine and love them. Also, for what it's worth, you can customize the sticker on the Flo's, so you can match your wheel accents to your bike. Matching wheels adds "cool factor" I think. |
| 2014-02-21 9:51 AM in reply to: ratherbeswimming |
Member 231 | Subject: RE: Used Zipp 808s vs new Flo Originally posted by ratherbeswimming I can't find any direct aero comparison data. A review on Tririg says: "They get you 90% of the big-name performance at 25% of the price". I'm not sure how accurate that 90% statement is... but it gets the point across. Here's an article that's somewhat helpful: http://aerogeeks.com/2013/01/17/aero-wheelsets-and-why-it-doesnt-matter-much-which-one-you-buy/ If you want it now, or you want ones that will resell for about what you paid, or you want a tested, reliable, set-up, I vote Zipp. If you can wait for a mid-March shipment, and want to support the "little guy", I'd vote FLO. Not that FLO's aren't reliable - their track record is awesome - but only 3 years deep If it were me? I'd go Zipp. This is good information! I just posted a similar question under the Gear heading. Thank you! Patti |
| 2014-02-21 6:29 PM in reply to: fubar44 |
| 287 | Subject: RE: Used Zipp 808s vs new Flo As others have stated, the Flo is based upon a wider rim that "fits/mates" better with your 23mm clincher tire. The older Zipp 808 based upon the narrower rim is going to suffer aero wise from this older design. How much may be better stated as "it depends". The wider Flo is also inflated to a slightly lesser psi and in theory could provide a more comfortable ride. I have had a set of older design Zipp 404 that I had no issue with. However, I have made a move to Flo because of the above statements. |
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