Survivor, Brains Brawn Beauty - will be spoilers (Page 3)

They have said before they arrange and read the vote for dramatic effect.

The show has to stay out of the game as much as possible, in order to protect themselves from "favoritism" law suits.. loosers saying it was rigged. Obviously Tony and LJ worked it out prior to going. WE had not been shown that either of them told anyone they had the idol... but obviously they did.

Ya, as soon as Tony said he had the idol... well, no votes for him... but then when one alliance turned around and played two idols... I don't know... that ssemed like a big loss. I need to watch it again, but both their names were being thrown around and possible for one of them to go home. they both had an idol, they were both in danger, and they both stayed. So not entirely a "loss".

The way I see it.  If you KNOW, 100% they are going to vote for you, then keep it a secret and get one them out when they vote for you.  If you are only half certain, announce you have it, get no votes, then keep it.  I might be able to keep that up for a while.

If they know you have one, would they ever risk you playing it and getting them out?  (unless they have such strong numbers, they can split it).  It's a gamble to hope they don't play it and vote for them anyway.  If I had one, and then everyone told me it was going to be someone else and was trying to make me feel safe?  THAT'S when you need to be on your toes!

I think the best way to play it (we have the luxury of hindsight).  Both announce they will be playing it prior to the vote then give one (or both) to the 3rd and 4th pick.

There plan wasn't too bad though.  They probably assumed with Tony's announcement, the would go with RJ and send the votes his way.  He keeps his secret and hopefully turns the tables.  HOWEVER, you assume that they would know RJ was the second choice and Tony COULD give it to him, pick a 3rd or 4th, which they did - so very smart of them.  However, Cass screwed it up so all the moves and counter moves were for naught with a surprise flip.

Can't wait to see the hostility in camp next episode.

BUT, watching enough of this show, every time you avoid elimination, is a good thing.  Even when it seems hopeless, and clearly outnumbered?  There is always hope.  Even of they "wasted" two idols?  They are still in, and that's all that matters.

Ya, I know in the game they know more than is shown on TV... and you would have to be paranoid... and with tribal council coming up... the only important thing is not going home that night.

I don't really care much for Cass anymore. She though Spencer was out of line? WTF? And karma... seriously. She is a bit psycho. And no, she is in no place of power. And no, I would not vote for her.

I like Spencer more now. Glad he found the idol. Can't blame Woo...but glad Spencer found it. He did good in that challenge too. I'm rooting for him.

Yeah, he rocked the challenge in order to stick around, even after finding the idol. He appears to be more driven than many. I love that he found the idol right there under Cass's nose and she had no clue.

I thought it was pretty telling when Kass mentioned that how she acts in the courtroom is also not the standard - she's an outcast in every aspect of her life.  Completely cuckoo I think!

Ya, and not for Coco Puffs.

And Monica... errrr I can't stand girls like that. No she wasn't any sort of threat... but obviously everyone had enough of her. I'm actually glad Spencer didn't play his idol... they all looked at him so I don't think it is much of a secret.... but that would have meant saving Monica for getting Tony. Good strategic move... but he also knows Cass didn't flop. I would right her off. Yes she might vote your way in the future if it suits here...but you can't count on it, and I would never bother going to her again. She is toast in this game. She might be able to argue a case, but she will not win.... especially since I do not see much immunity necklaces for her in the future.

I didn't see Cass's move as a "big" move. She simply flipped for petty reasons.. certainly not strategic ones. It was hair brained. she didn't improve her position with it, and she certainly damaged it... that is a lose lose move. I get what you are saying that she is "playing" the game... but she is "playing" poorly.

I agree... LJ and other LJ are not doing anything... but they don't have to right now. Let all the crazy people sort it out. Tony and yoga lady are irritating. Jefra... eh. Other brain lady isn't burning anything up... well other than nearly winning immunity.

Also sort of comical...

Yeah, I'm just talking a walk.  Decided to take of my shoes, shirt and pants to do it.  Just taking a stroll...  Ho hum...  Seriously?  And walk away from your clue? 

90 minutes on your toes makes my claves cramp thinking about it.  Ouch.  I always feel bad the person who came second.  Go through all of that for nothing.  At least Kass got to sit down after what?  3 seconds?

Cass knew she stood no chance, so why bother hurting yourself? Spencer has a good amount of skepticism and paranoia right now. Even holding the idol wasn't enough for him. He wanted more. He seems hungry/determined now. Some of the people such as Cass and Tony want to "play the game". Spencer wants to win the game.  Everyone talks about the big move and such, yet he stepped it up when he had to. You want a "big move", try winning every challenge, while you have an idol in your pocket. At this point in the game you have to play the challenges hard. Win those and nothing else matters.

I get it. At some point you have to make a case... and she can make a case... I "myself" don't see it as a winning case at this point.... but there is still time in the game. she absolutely did change the game when the brains voted out dufus with the idol. and she did "change" the game when she flipped. The first move was good actually...f or her, but the second, we'll see how it plays out.

She did not win position with the other tribe, and she burnt a bridge with her tribe. And she wants to keep playing that "free agent" card... that isn't going to end well for her. It is a strategy that might very well get her to the end of the game, I just don't see it as one to win. 

Woo I suppose was staying "loyal" to his tribe... but I thought the same thing... information is power in the game... you don't just give it away. when it gets to the end, he is going to be a threat, and he is going to get his throat cut. He needs to start working on how he is going to stay.... unless of course he is just sand bagging in the challenges and will go on a tear. I mean he is really built for physical stuff... he "should" be doing really well. 

I am so sick of Tony. He acts as if he is giving a replay on how he won the game. I do not think Tony will get to the end. It would not surprise me to see two of the three left are from the brains camp.

And 'Construction" if anyone on the jury could have seen his face when he answered, I am sure they would have known he was lying, such a weak answer

Sure Tony might be edited as a bad guy... but where there is smoke... he's a crack head. And he might get over for a while, but he won't get over forever. He is just really shady. You know people talk off camera. You know everyone knows he is a cop because one person talked to another. He actually is "playing hard"... but so did Russel Hantz... and look what that got him. Seeing a cop act so shady so easily...without any remorse... even thought it's a game...ya, it calls his integrity as an officer into question. I would be willing to bet his behavior is not a surprise to those that know him.

I'm not sure what to think. He is playing, he is making moves... but historically we have seen the WAY he is doing it has not been a winning strategy for most. By the end of the game, I'm sure most on the jury will have him figured out, and he does not win.

Woo is just riding along, and he is rather laid back, and I think he is counting on playing the "Ya, but I'm nt Tony" card. He needs to do something besides be Natalie to Hantz.... except Natalie went home with a million dollars.

Originally posted by ChineseDemocracy Woo. He cracks me up. Every time he screws up in a reward or challenge I laugh and think, "He's a martial artist?" How did Jefra end up on a "beauty" tribe? Just not seein' it. Morgan, I could understand. Very cute on the outside...but even uglier on the inside. Tony...just too much. That said, he sure stirs the pot well. Great season so far. A lot of blindsides. Good action. No rock-solid alliances. It all leads to crazy, unpredictable tribal councils.

You're right... it has been a good season so far. Interesting as usual. No returning players. Win.

Originally posted by ChineseDemocracy Woo. He cracks me up. Every time he screws up in a reward or challenge I laugh and think, "He's a martial artist?" How did Jefra end up on a "beauty" tribe? Just not seein' it. Morgan, I could understand. Very cute on the outside...but even uglier on the inside. Tony...just too much. That said, he sure stirs the pot well. Great season so far. A lot of blindsides. Good action. No rock-solid alliances. It all leads to crazy, unpredictable tribal councils.

This, this and this.

I like Tony for the show (he's sort of a d bag) but like Boston Rob, he's playing it hard, and I predict a huge fall.

Okay, I watched a bunch of episodes this week to catch up.  It has at least been an interesting season.  It is really boring when one alliance just steamrolls everyone.

I wish someone would find that dang idol with special powers!!!!  I want to know what the powers ARE!!!!  They aren't even TALKING about it...or at least not showing anyone looking. :-(

I think Tony is the type that HAS to feel in control, and if he doesn't feel that, starts to go to extremes or panics...  Probably a typical characteristic in cops who do have to take control of many situations on the job.

I think in this game you have to take subtle control, but also realize you need to bend and flow with the situation.  I think he wants to sort force control with a bit of an iron fist.  That's not going to work in this game.

Someone catch me up.  Did he SHOW his special idol then say it was "fake"????  Why even show it, if he did.  The point of that one is to play it AFTER the vote.  That's one IMPORTANT idol.  It's one guaranteed get of out jail free card.  He can play relaxed and go vote to vote without a worry and when his name DOES get out there?  Play it.  That's tough to beat.