Advice for skinny guy
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2014-03-01 3:11 PM |
10 | Subject: Advice for skinny guy Hello. I'm training for first triathlon, did duathlon last year everything is great but would want some advice on strength exercises. I have a nice training plan but not sure about strength stuff that I took from another program. 2 days a week I have leg curl/leg ext./leg press/squats/seated row (tri stuff). Recently I got another 'core' program for myself with chin ups/bench press/leg raises/upright row. I'm 22, 70kg, 183-184cm want to get some extra 5-7. Should I not do tri stuff (leg curl etc.) and focus on core and do Chin-ups, Bench press, Leg raises, Upright row and Squats? Thanks. |
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2014-03-03 12:16 PM in reply to: Yuriy |
99 | Subject: RE: Advice for skinny guy I'm much in the same boat. I'm 29, skinny and lean and have been researching this topic a lot too. Is the 5-7 (kg?) you describe muscle you're looking to add, or just weight in general? To get 5-7kg of muscle mass you're going to need to eat a lot more, period. And you're going to need to lift heavy to build mass. That's quite a bit of weight to add. The "tri" exercises you mentioned are great for conditioning but they will not add mass if that's what your after. The last exercised you mentioned are more the right direction..."Chin-ups, Bench press, Leg raises, Upright row and Squats." I'd mix in some military press, barbell curls, overhand wide-grip pull-ups, push-ups, etc. I still swim and bike and run a lot, but I mix in a couple days of strength training in a week (2-3 days) and started seeing some increased weight and muscle. I've been eating a lot of fresh veggies, lean meats, whole grains, and a respectable amount of protein all throughout the day. I'm ALWAYS eating though. I have a whole wheat bagel with peanut butter, an apple, a huge bowl of oatmeal with cranberries and chia seeds for breakfast every morning. Hope this helps some. Just throwing my experience into the mix as this has been working for me. Best of luck. |
2014-03-04 1:17 AM in reply to: Yuriy |
5 | Subject: RE: Advice for skinny guy I can't comment on the tri specific stuff as I have only recently decided to start training for them, but the last couple of years have been primarily strength training. Im trying to do the opposite to you, weighing 110kg @ 195cm, trying to drop, while maintaining as much strength. I found the best addition to mass was a simple linear progression program, see Starting Strength, Strong Lifts or the likes, focusing on the main Squat, Deadlift, Bench Press, Military Press and Rows. Once those done, feel free to add in some accessory lifts (leg ext, curls, pull ups etc) Probably wont be able to progress as quick with the cardio, but should see some steady gains none the less. There are other options as well, maybe a lower body and upper body session? Working it around your tri schedule. Have a look at Alex Viada's Blog - So, you want to Run and be Strong. Gives you an idea of setting out a schedule As mentioned, you will need to eat more than you are if you are currently maintaing weight, otherwise going to have a hard time gaining. |
2014-03-06 7:28 AM in reply to: b.andrews3911 |
Pro 4723 CyFair | Subject: RE: Advice for skinny guy So the basics of gaining weight is to add calories. Find out what your approx. BMR is and add a few hundred QUALITY calories.
For triathlons I advocate lifting for power. 3-5 sets of 3-5 reps. You can look at schemes like Starting Strength, 5 x 5, or 5/3/1 and modify them to fit your schedule. Personally I have squat day, deadlift day, and upper body day (usually revolves around power cleans and Standing OHP/Bench).
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2014-03-08 11:26 AM in reply to: 0 |
Regular 5477 LHOTP | Subject: RE: Advice for skinny guy Originally posted by uhcoog Could you say a little more about why you think power cleans and OHP are good weight lifting exercises for triathletes? So the basics of gaining weight is to add calories. Find out what your approx. BMR is and add a few hundred QUALITY calories.
For triathlons I advocate lifting for power. 3-5 sets of 3-5 reps. You can look at schemes like Starting Strength, 5 x 5, or 5/3/1 and modify them to fit your schedule. Personally I have squat day, deadlift day, and upper body day (usually revolves around power cleans and Standing OHP/Bench).
Edited by switch 2014-03-08 11:26 AM |
2014-03-08 8:17 PM in reply to: switch |
Pro 4723 CyFair | Subject: RE: Advice for skinny guy Originally posted by switch Originally posted by uhcoog Could you say a little more about why you think power cleans and OHP are good weight lifting exercises for triathletes? So the basics of gaining weight is to add calories. Find out what your approx. BMR is and add a few hundred QUALITY calories.
For triathlons I advocate lifting for power. 3-5 sets of 3-5 reps. You can look at schemes like Starting Strength, 5 x 5, or 5/3/1 and modify them to fit your schedule. Personally I have squat day, deadlift day, and upper body day (usually revolves around power cleans and Standing OHP/Bench).
Well power cleans are a total body exercise that recruits glutes, hams, quads, calves, back, and shoulders. It's also a very explosive movement and IMO recruiting motor units to work in explosive/powerful contractions is needed for most triathletes. You could switch out standing OHP for a number of things. I like to have exercises in for shoulders. OHPs hit the muscle group in a fairly comprehensive manner. |
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2014-03-09 3:44 PM in reply to: uhcoog |
Regular 5477 LHOTP | Subject: RE: Advice for skinny guy Originally posted by uhcoog Originally posted by switch Originally posted by uhcoog Could you say a little more about why you think power cleans and OHP are good weight lifting exercises for triathletes? So the basics of gaining weight is to add calories. Find out what your approx. BMR is and add a few hundred QUALITY calories.
For triathlons I advocate lifting for power. 3-5 sets of 3-5 reps. You can look at schemes like Starting Strength, 5 x 5, or 5/3/1 and modify them to fit your schedule. Personally I have squat day, deadlift day, and upper body day (usually revolves around power cleans and Standing OHP/Bench).
Well power cleans are a total body exercise that recruits glutes, hams, quads, calves, back, and shoulders. It's also a very explosive movement and IMO recruiting motor units to work in explosive/powerful contractions is needed for most triathletes. You could switch out standing OHP for a number of things. I like to have exercises in for shoulders. OHPs hit the muscle group in a fairly comprehensive manner. Why do triathletes need explosive work? I'm not trying to be a jerk here, I just don't really understand the specificity. With a squat deadlift and upperbody day how do you still S/B/R and recover? I feel like cleans are sometimes a difficult exercise for people to learn without guidance and initial supervision. Is there another compound move that you think accomplishes similar things without the same risk? I guess OHP would also not be my choice. I question why anyone--unless their job requires it--needs to develop specific strength for pushing weight up over their head, and the risk of impingement with OHP is considerable. |
2014-03-10 1:47 PM in reply to: switch |
Extreme Veteran 2261 Ridgeland, Mississippi | Subject: RE: Advice for skinny guy Originally posted by switch Originally posted by uhcoog Originally posted by switch Originally posted by uhcoog Could you say a little more about why you think power cleans and OHP are good weight lifting exercises for triathletes? So the basics of gaining weight is to add calories. Find out what your approx. BMR is and add a few hundred QUALITY calories.
For triathlons I advocate lifting for power. 3-5 sets of 3-5 reps. You can look at schemes like Starting Strength, 5 x 5, or 5/3/1 and modify them to fit your schedule. Personally I have squat day, deadlift day, and upper body day (usually revolves around power cleans and Standing OHP/Bench).
Well power cleans are a total body exercise that recruits glutes, hams, quads, calves, back, and shoulders. It's also a very explosive movement and IMO recruiting motor units to work in explosive/powerful contractions is needed for most triathletes. You could switch out standing OHP for a number of things. I like to have exercises in for shoulders. OHPs hit the muscle group in a fairly comprehensive manner. Why do triathletes need explosive work? I'm not trying to be a jerk here, I just don't really understand the specificity. With a squat deadlift and upperbody day how do you still S/B/R and recover? I feel like cleans are sometimes a difficult exercise for people to learn without guidance and initial supervision. Is there another compound move that you think accomplishes similar things without the same risk? I guess OHP would also not be my choice. I question why anyone--unless their job requires it--needs to develop specific strength for pushing weight up over their head, and the risk of impingement with OHP is considerable. You're starting to sound like me |
2014-03-10 3:09 PM in reply to: msteiner |
Regular 5477 LHOTP | Subject: RE: Advice for skinny guy Originally posted by msteiner I'm going to try to tap your feet too :)Originally posted by switch Originally posted by uhcoog Originally posted by switch Originally posted by uhcoog Could you say a little more about why you think power cleans and OHP are good weight lifting exercises for triathletes? So the basics of gaining weight is to add calories. Find out what your approx. BMR is and add a few hundred QUALITY calories.
For triathlons I advocate lifting for power. 3-5 sets of 3-5 reps. You can look at schemes like Starting Strength, 5 x 5, or 5/3/1 and modify them to fit your schedule. Personally I have squat day, deadlift day, and upper body day (usually revolves around power cleans and Standing OHP/Bench).
Well power cleans are a total body exercise that recruits glutes, hams, quads, calves, back, and shoulders. It's also a very explosive movement and IMO recruiting motor units to work in explosive/powerful contractions is needed for most triathletes. You could switch out standing OHP for a number of things. I like to have exercises in for shoulders. OHPs hit the muscle group in a fairly comprehensive manner. Why do triathletes need explosive work? I'm not trying to be a jerk here, I just don't really understand the specificity. With a squat deadlift and upperbody day how do you still S/B/R and recover? I feel like cleans are sometimes a difficult exercise for people to learn without guidance and initial supervision. Is there another compound move that you think accomplishes similar things without the same risk? I guess OHP would also not be my choice. I question why anyone--unless their job requires it--needs to develop specific strength for pushing weight up over their head, and the risk of impingement with OHP is considerable. You're starting to sound like me ;) Too bad I'll never touch you on the damn B/R! |
2014-03-11 1:33 PM in reply to: switch |
Pro 4723 CyFair | Subject: RE: Advice for skinny guy So yeah, it's a bit of a balancing act at times. I will give you that. I find most athletes that train consistently can handle a couple hours a week of strength training on top of s/b/r'ing. I'll qualify the power aspect by saying the athlete needs to have a decent base of fitness meaning that they have little in the way of muscle imbalances and have a good, functional strength base. But power = speed. Going fast is creating a ton of force and creating it quickly. You can train the muscles and the neural pathways to do this by lifting heavy and explosively. Lifting heavy will increase your Vo2. It will increase your LT. It will also, especially in conjuction with plyos, allow your body to transfer load better (running), and tolerate shorter ground contact times. Speaking of shorter ground contact times research shows that as you get faster your contact times get shorter. The key there is to be able to generate the maximum amount of force you can in that short, short period of time. Lifting explosively helps train the motor units to do that. Anyway if you're going to lift I'd suggest lifting for power. You're already getting a lot of what is essentially high rep/low weight exercise through training s/b/r. Now I'm not going to go over the top. I sat through a lecture by Jay DiCharry at the USAT clinic where he advocated taking s/b/r volume out and replacing it with strength training. He also had Lindsay Corbin hit PRs on deads, squats, etc the Monday before Kona. I'd prefer to leave a short/intense lifting session in 3 days a week until you start seeing an impact on your recovery. When you start to see that pull a session and reassess. This is really something that isn't going to be settled anytime soon. I know I talked to 3 different prominent coaches in the last 3 months and each had a different idea of what triathletes should be doing strength training wise.
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2014-03-11 5:57 PM in reply to: uhcoog |
Regular 5477 LHOTP | Subject: RE: Advice for skinny guy Originally posted by uhcoog Woah. Really? So yeah, it's a bit of a balancing act at times. I will give you that. I find most athletes that train consistently can handle a couple hours a week of strength training on top of s/b/r'ing. I'll qualify the power aspect by saying the athlete needs to have a decent base of fitness meaning that they have little in the way of muscle imbalances and have a good, functional strength base. But power = speed. Going fast is creating a ton of force and creating it quickly. You can train the muscles and the neural pathways to do this by lifting heavy and explosively. Lifting heavy will increase your Vo2. It will increase your LT. It will also, especially in conjuction with plyos, allow your body to transfer load better (running), and tolerate shorter ground contact times. Speaking of shorter ground contact times research shows that as you get faster your contact times get shorter. The key there is to be able to generate the maximum amount of force you can in that short, short period of time. Lifting explosively helps train the motor units to do that. Anyway if you're going to lift I'd suggest lifting for power. You're already getting a lot of what is essentially high rep/low weight exercise through training s/b/r. Now I'm not going to go over the top. I sat through a lecture by Jay DiCharry at the USAT clinic where he advocated taking s/b/r volume out and replacing it with strength training. He also had Lindsay Corbin hit PRs on deads, squats, etc the Monday before Kona. I'd prefer to leave a short/intense lifting session in 3 days a week until you start seeing an impact on your recovery. When you start to see that pull a session and reassess. This is really something that isn't going to be settled anytime soon. I know I talked to 3 different prominent coaches in the last 3 months and each had a different idea of what triathletes should be doing strength training wise.
I'd like to hear more about that. Is his talk available anywhere? |
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2014-03-13 3:43 PM in reply to: switch |
Pro 4723 CyFair | Subject: RE: Advice for skinny guy Originally posted by switch Originally posted by uhcoog Woah. Really? So yeah, it's a bit of a balancing act at times. I will give you that. I find most athletes that train consistently can handle a couple hours a week of strength training on top of s/b/r'ing. I'll qualify the power aspect by saying the athlete needs to have a decent base of fitness meaning that they have little in the way of muscle imbalances and have a good, functional strength base. But power = speed. Going fast is creating a ton of force and creating it quickly. You can train the muscles and the neural pathways to do this by lifting heavy and explosively. Lifting heavy will increase your Vo2. It will increase your LT. It will also, especially in conjuction with plyos, allow your body to transfer load better (running), and tolerate shorter ground contact times. Speaking of shorter ground contact times research shows that as you get faster your contact times get shorter. The key there is to be able to generate the maximum amount of force you can in that short, short period of time. Lifting explosively helps train the motor units to do that. Anyway if you're going to lift I'd suggest lifting for power. You're already getting a lot of what is essentially high rep/low weight exercise through training s/b/r. Now I'm not going to go over the top. I sat through a lecture by Jay DiCharry at the USAT clinic where he advocated taking s/b/r volume out and replacing it with strength training. He also had Lindsay Corbin hit PRs on deads, squats, etc the Monday before Kona. I'd prefer to leave a short/intense lifting session in 3 days a week until you start seeing an impact on your recovery. When you start to see that pull a session and reassess. This is really something that isn't going to be settled anytime soon. I know I talked to 3 different prominent coaches in the last 3 months and each had a different idea of what triathletes should be doing strength training wise.
I'd like to hear more about that. Is his talk available anywhere?
I don't think so. He presented several of the subjects at the USAT coaching clinic in New Orleans including strength training. Here's his website:
http://www.reporegon.com/ |
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