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2014-03-31 12:52 PM


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Subject: Rest Days
Do you schedule rest days into your training? Currently I schedule Mondays as a complete day of rest but sometimes I think I could use that day for another swim. I do 3 swims/bikes/runs the other 6 days with some days being doubles. I feel like I'm doing enough until I read the posts that say "if you want to swim better- swim more, if you want to bike better- bike more, if you want run better- run more". Of course I would like to do all 3 better who wouldn't?


2014-03-31 1:03 PM
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I'm not in any tri specific training right now as I am just learning to swim but I think a rest day every now and then is a good thing. When I was younger and racing bikes I recovered from hard efforts a lot quick and didn't take too many rest days. I think they are essential as I get older. That said... sometimes a rest day to me is a super easy spin on the bike. Not a training ride, but a recovery ride just to loosen up and get the blood flowing.
2014-03-31 1:19 PM
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I try to manage rest in the context of all three sports, and by time in hours between workouts (so, not just by the "day" - doing some workouts early or late to give myself the appropriate rest).

I typically DO schedule Monday as a rest day, with an optional EASY swim.  Even when I feel like running (unless there is a schedule reason to shift the week around or I need an easy recovery run rather than a recovery swim), I let the legs rest Mondays after the typical weekend madness.  That means I don't do kick sets during the Monday swim! 

This is what works for ME, and in the context of my current training plan.  Of course, YOU need to rest and recover based on YOUR training and how your body responds.  I wish I recovered like I used to, but I'm as old as I am and enjoy getting older every day!  Just means that my idea of recovery is also evolving... 

Try adding another workout in if you feel good and have the time and inclination.  Just pay attention to what your body tells you afterward, and you should be good to go.

Good luck!

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2014-03-31 1:19 PM
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You need recovery from the training for the improvements to happen. For some, that just means going lighter. Others could use the day off. For some, the mental break of not working out is needed. Then they're fresh for the next ones. I don't schedule rest days, taking them if I'm sick or life happens. I just need to switch up activities and go easier on some days. Then I'm fine.

2014-03-31 1:20 PM
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You'll get answers all over the board on this one. My 2 cents is that I don't take a day off for recovery on a weekly basis. I do long rides/runs on the weekend so Mondays are usually an easier spin plus strength training. When I do increase my swim frequency, Mon is usually the logical day to do that and I subtract the strength training. But what you do depends on a whole bunch of important factors.
2014-03-31 2:13 PM
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Think of your recovery the same way you think of training.  Time and intensity.  As Matt mentioned, rest does not have to be measured in days.  Anytime you are not active, you're in a state of recovery.  Whether it be for 4 hours, or 24 hours...it still counts.  And also think of the quality (intensity) of your recovery.  Sleep is a much better form of recovery than running errands for 4 hours.

I'll take a full rest day off from training if I need it.  Usually though it more to do with being sick or not getting enough sleep rather than an overload of training though.



2014-03-31 2:18 PM
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I do not schedule complete days off but I most definitely have lots of recovery days and am a stickler for running those at a very low intensity. I have a pretty good handle on my body though, and am more than willing to take an entire day if I need it. Or to cut a workout short if need be.

2014-03-31 2:34 PM
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Think of your recovery the same way you think of training.  Time and intensity.  As Matt mentioned, rest does not have to be measured in days.  Anytime you are not active, you're in a state of recovery.  Whether it be for 4 hours, or 24 hours...it still counts.  And also think of the quality (intensity) of your recovery.  Sleep is a much better form of recovery than running errands for 4 hours.

I'll take a full rest day off from training if I need it.  Usually though it more to do with being sick or not getting enough sleep rather than an overload of training though.




You hit on some good points. If you are to take a day off with the aim of recovery do not add in 5 different activities that will hamper your recovery. You should literally do as little as possible, eat well, and get sleep. This however, is very difficult to AG athletes with life commitments.

Think of it this way. You have a bucket that is pouring water into the bucket. That water being poured in is your sleep, nutrition, and recovery, at the bottom is a faucet that drains the water out. That faucet is training, work, and other life stress. You want to keep the bucket full of water. A full bucket will give you an increase in performance, energy and lower your chance for illness/injury.
2014-03-31 2:44 PM
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i think rest day are very important! nothing like having some time to relax and sneak in a easy swim and recovery ride

More seriously, when a relatively new athlete in the sport, i think having a complet rest day is a very good and important components. Perhaps for the first few years.

As i get athlete with more experience, many years in the sport and a relatively good training load weekly, i see better results using ''easy days'' and rarely schedule day off. Active recovery for those athletes seems to be optimal.

so, it all depend where you are at in your athletic journee.

2014-03-31 2:45 PM
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The short answer is absolutely. But, it is a very subjective thing and each athlete is different with tons of variables. At 54, recovery for me takes a bit longer after an intense workout. I always train on a plan schedule if its for race prep, and add or subtract as needed depending on how my body feels. I want to make sure to be as fully recovered as possible prior to a higher intensity workout. Sometimes that means a total day off, sometimes an active recovery with maybe an easy spin or swim. Keep in mind, adaptation occurs while the body is at rest. Make the easy days easy so you can hit the hard days at maximum intensity. Check your resting heart rate first am, it is a very good indicator of how well you are recovered from a previous tough work out.
2014-03-31 2:53 PM
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Originally posted by jonnyo

i think rest day are very important! nothing like having some time to relax and sneak in a easy swim and recovery ride

More seriously, when a relatively new athlete in the sport, i think having a complet rest day is a very good and important components. Perhaps for the first few years.

As i get athlete with more experience, many years in the sport and a relatively good training load weekly, i see better results using ''easy days'' and rarely schedule day off. Active recovery for those athletes seems to be optimal.

so, it all depend where you are at in your athletic journee.




Something like this....?

http://www.slowtwitch.com/Training/General_Physiology/Less_is_Less_...


2014-03-31 2:59 PM
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Originally posted by brigby1

You need recovery from the training for the improvements to happen. For some, that just means going lighter. Others could use the day off. For some, the mental break of not working out is needed. Then they're fresh for the next ones. I don't schedule rest days, taking them if I'm sick or life happens. I just need to switch up activities and go easier on some days. Then I'm fine.

^^^This for me.  I schedule Friday as my off day.  At the end of the work week, I don't really want to go home and do anything other than hang.  Not sure what it does for me physically, but mentally it is beneficial.

2014-03-31 5:27 PM
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I'm starting my third year of triathlons, and I feel like I need the rest days. Last year I was having a really crappy season until I started to build in more rest. Then my season turned around and I started to feel better and actually see some improved performance. I'm not a natural athlete and I splash around in the hypothyroid end of things. I think my body needs more rest then someone more athleticthen me.
2014-03-31 9:31 PM
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Rest days are usually doing a piece of exercise at a low intensity or a short period of time. I enjoy exercise & it helps me relax, non-punishing work-outs I really look forward to
2014-03-31 9:47 PM
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I don't get stronger by training... I get stronger by recovering from training.
2014-03-31 9:52 PM
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Originally posted by some_dude I don't get stronger by training... I get stronger by recovering from training.

Then spend even more time recovering and less time training and report back on your results.



2014-03-31 10:01 PM
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Then spend even more time recovering and less time training and report back on your results.




With 7991 posts I'd figure you'd know it doesn't work that way.
2014-03-31 10:07 PM
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Then spend even more time recovering and less time training and report back on your results.

With 7991 posts I'd figure you'd know it doesn't work that way.

Of course......what I know is that you don't get stronger from recovering (like you wrote)......it's the training and the adaptation to increased training stress that makes you stronger.

Sure, rest....but only so you can go again.  Most of us can never get there, but ideally you can build the training to the point where even "rest" is a workout.



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2014-03-31 10:09 PM
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Originally posted by Left Brain

Then spend even more time recovering and less time training and report back on your results.




With 7991 posts I'd figure you'd know it doesn't work that way.


You can still train hard and daily or twice daily without getting injured, as long as you train smart. Trying to run off injuries is not training smart. I try and mix up my training, so I'm not running 3 days on the trot for example.
2014-03-31 10:33 PM
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it's the...adaptation to increased training stress that makes you stronger.




Edited... and yes.

The training doesn't make you stronger... it makes you weaker. If it didn't there would be no need for the body to adapt and your performance would stagnate.

Anyway, I sense an argument over semantics has just started and am going to bow out.

Cheers.
2014-03-31 10:57 PM
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Originally posted by some_dude
Originally posted by Left Brain

it's the...adaptation to increased training stress that makes you stronger.

Edited... and yes. The training doesn't make you stronger... it makes you weaker. If it didn't there would be no need for the body to adapt and your performance would stagnate. Anyway, I sense an argument over semantics has just started and am going to bow out. Cheers.

Your body doesn't adapt to rest to get stronger/faster....if it did, I'd win Kona.  LOL



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2014-04-01 11:21 AM
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I take 1 rest day per week on the weekend and use it to focus solely on my family.
2014-04-01 12:16 PM
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Originally posted by some_dude I don't get stronger by training... I get stronger by recovering from training.

And recovering happens anytime you aren't training.  It doesn't only happen on full rest days.

2014-04-01 12:48 PM
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Originally posted by Jason N

Originally posted by some_dude I don't get stronger by training... I get stronger by recovering from training.

And recovering happens anytime you aren't training.  It doesn't only happen on full rest days.




False. 8 hours of mental stress on your body in a pressure day at work is not ideal for recovery. 8 hours of heavy labor is not conducive to recovery. Not eating well is not good recovery.

I know the point you are trying to drive home and yes recovery is happening when you are not physically training. However, people fail to realize how much stress they put on their body outside of training, see my comments above with the water bucket analogy. You might be recovering but it is not ideal recovery.
2014-04-01 12:52 PM
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Originally posted by Jason N

Originally posted by some_dude I don't get stronger by training... I get stronger by recovering from training.

And recovering happens anytime you aren't training.  It doesn't only happen on full rest days.

False. 8 hours of mental stress on your body in a pressure day at work is not ideal for recovery. 8 hours of heavy labor is not conducive to recovery. Not eating well is not good recovery. I know the point you are trying to drive home and yes recovery is happening when you are not physically training. However, people fail to realize how much stress they put on their body outside of training, see my comments above with the water bucket analogy. You might be recovering but it is not ideal recovery.

Does this mean I'm NOT winnnig kona?

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